I don't see him as being a B, as he is a bit undersized still and does not have blazing speed. But maybe that's just because I think few players should be a B if they are 7 or higher. I think 8C would be bang on, his hands and hockey sense are awesome.
They never give a rating out like this, but I'd give him an 8.5D
8.5 is a VERY, VERY good and solid (usually all-around player). I don't think Rattie deserves that rating at this point. 7.5 C now, -steadily creeping towards 8.0 C (7.7C- ha! ha!) is probably more accurate. 8.5s are for the guys just short of Ovechkin and Crosby (9.0s).Rattie's still got several "ifs". No way he deserves 8.5. I also think D is too far away. He's no worse than C, and if he's really an 8.0, we're doing very well.
A future RW group of Oshie, Tarasenko, Rattie on three scoring lines is enticing but we're still probably 2+ years from that possibility. Oshie's more of a playmaker, Rattie's more a pure sniper and Tarasenko's a blend of both with tie-goes-to-the-shot mentality.
Among Tarasenko, Schwartz and Rattie if I HAD to trade one to fill a need (top pair LD, top-two center), I trade Rattie. As we sit here today.
IF Stewart suddenly becomes something else dynamic (total longshot) and if they decide to keep him, then Rattie becomes much more likely trade bait once Tarasenko's in the fold. Stewat would have to finish the year strong, really perform well in the playoffs, and be good from the start next year for this to become reality IMO.
A future RW group of Oshie, Tarasenko, Rattie on three scoring lines is enticing but we're still probably 2+ years from that possibility. Oshie's more of a playmaker, Rattie's more a pure sniper and Tarasenko's a blend of both with tie-goes-to-the-shot mentality.
Among Tarasenko, Schwartz and Rattie if I HAD to trade one to fill a need (top pair LD, top-two center), I trade Rattie. As we sit here today.
IF Stewart suddenly becomes something else dynamic (total longshot) and if they decide to keep him, then Rattie becomes much more likely trade bait once Tarasenko's in the fold. Stewat would have to finish the year strong, really perform well in the playoffs, and be good from the start next year for this to become reality IMO.
We could be thin at center ice down the road - maybe Oshie moves to center?
We could be thin at center ice down the road - maybe Oshie moves to center?
The roster will be completely different in a few years. Who would've thought that we would have Tarasenko, Stewart, Rattie, and Schwartz 2 seasons ago? We might end up drafting a center, but it's also not like Backes and Berglund are old either.
Oshie is a RW and will stay a RW. Being thin at center in the future, just isn't that big of a concern right now. Draft a center in the 1st round or 2nd round and see what happens.
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WOW! Rattie follows up his 5 point game with 2 goals and an assist today to give him 50 goals and 50 assists. He's having a heck of a season. (understatement) 1 point behind the league leader.
WOW! Rattie follows up his 5 point game with 2 goals and an assist today to give him 50 goals and 50 assists. He's having a heck of a season. (understatement) 1 point behind the league leader.
He's in the equivalent of his "junior" year within that league and most of his other ranked competitors are in their "senior" year. If he already had an NHL body then I think he'd be a lot closer to being a camp x-factor. But two more summers of weight training instead of one will probably get him where he needs to be. He'll also get a crack at the WJC which will be helpful to evaluate his relative readiness.
I do think only Florida with Huberdeau, Howden and Bjugstad has an offensive prospect trio like Tarasenko, Schwartz and Rattie.
He's in the equivalent of his "junior" year within that league and most of his other ranked competitors are in their "senior" year. If he already had an NHL body then I think he'd be a lot closer to being a camp x-factor. But two more summers of weight training instead of one will probably get him where he needs to be. He'll also get a crack at the WJC which will be helpful to evaluate his relative readiness.
I do think only Florida with Huberdeau, Howden and Bjugstad has an offensive prospect trio like Tarasenko, Schwartz and Rattie.
I was browsing some WHL stuff tonight and noticed that Nugent-Hopkins has nearly identical height and weight. Is Rattie really that far off? Genuinely curious...
He's probably around 170 right now, give or take a couple pounds. If he can come into camp around 180, which is realistic, he could make some noise, like Perron did when he made the team. Not sayin that he'll make it, but he could make it interesting.
I remember their was a topic in the prospects section about who would be the steal of the 2011 draft. I said Ty Rattie, and people laughed it off. I think it's still too early to call Rattie the steal of the draft, but he's certainly exceeding everyone's expectations with his performance this year. We better not trade him unless we're packaging him for a LEGIT star, he could really flourish if given time to properly develop.
I was browsing some WHL stuff tonight and noticed that Nugent-Hopkins has nearly identical height and weight. Is Rattie really that far off? Genuinely curious...
RNH has ridiculous hockey sense and is a playmaker whereas as a goal scorer Rattie would be required to produce in the slot where most NHL goals are scored and most defensemen are larger, faster and more punishing than the competition he's currently facing.
It's not the least conceivable thing ever, don't get me wrong. I know he was impressive in camp this year, but he still has some things to do on his defensive game and there's just no need to rush him. I'd be shocked if he made the team next season unless he hits a muscle growth spurt. The year after that might be a different story.
RNH has ridiculous hockey sense and is a playmaker whereas as a goal scorer Rattie would be required to produce in the slot where most NHL goals are scored and most defensemen are larger, faster and more punishing than the competition he's currently facing.
It's not the least conceivable thing ever, don't get me wrong. I know he was impressive in camp this year, but he still has some things to do on his defensive game and there's just no need to rush him. I'd be shocked if he made the team next season unless he hits a muscle growth spurt. The year after that might be a different story.
The Blue are in a totally different spot than when Perron made the team. After the way they handled Petro, I'm fine with letting Rattie finish out his junior career. Nothing wrong with letting him add some muscle and refine his craft before being counted on in a close game (all of them) in the Central division
He's probably around 170 right now, give or take a couple pounds. If he can come into camp around 180, which is realistic, he could make some noise, like Perron did when he made the team. Not sayin that he'll make it, but he could make it interesting.
Having a mature body will help his professional career a lot...and going straight to the NHL is questionable in terms of his best possible development option.
I think the Blues of 5 years ago, he'd have had a chance. But with the returning team, AND Tarasenko (and maybe Schwartz) showing up, too? I just don't see how he can stick on the roster.
I am getting more and more optimistic for where he fits in the scheme of things. I think that was a great get at that draft position. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he doesn't turn out to be the better NHL player than what Colorado got with the Blues' first.
Having a mature body will help his professional career a lot...and going straight to the NHL is questionable in terms of his best possible development option.
I think the Blues of 5 years ago, he'd have had a chance. But with the returning team, AND Tarasenko (and maybe Schwartz) showing up, too? I just don't see how he can stick on the roster.
I am getting more and more optimistic for where he fits in the scheme of things. I think that was a great get at that draft position. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he doesn't turn out to be the better NHL player than what Colorado got with the Blues' first.
Yeah, his chances of actually making the team out of camp are extremely small, even with a good to great camp. He would pretty much have to dominate and get 3 points in each preseason game and turn heads in practice. I don't see any of those things happening.
What I would like to see is a strong camp from that would resemble Perron's performance when he made the team. A similar performance will not make the team this time around, but it will show that he is NHL ready and would play the season after. I think he has a very good chance of doing something like that because he won't have the pressure of making the team. Even if he has a great camp, he still most likely won't make the team, so he can just go out and play.
Tarasenko, Schwartz, and McRae all say hi. Besides the fact that Rattie is probably not anywhere physically near NHL ready yet, where exactly would he fit into the Blues lineup? Are you going to play a small offensive guy like him on your checking line? The answer is no. Rattie will not make it to the NHL next season. I would say 2013-14 at the earliest, and then still he likely starts in the AHL and works his way up. And really there's nothing wrong with that(see David Backes). Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing him continue his development in Juniors and hopefully on the International level in the WJC's.
Tarasenko, Schwartz, and McRae all say hi. Besides the fact that Rattie is probably not anywhere physically near NHL ready yet, where exactly would he fit into the Blues lineup? Are you going to play a small offensive guy like him on your checking line? The answer is no. Rattie will not make it to the NHL next season. I would say 2013-14 at the earliest, and then still he likely starts in the AHL and works his way up. And really there's nothing wrong with that(see David Backes). Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing him continue his development in Juniors and hopefully on the International level in the WJC's.
I'm really interested in this as well. Would've been nice to see him this year, but I understand why he wasn't there. He should have a pretty big role on the team next year.
I was browsing some WHL stuff tonight and noticed that Nugent-Hopkins has nearly identical height and weight. Is Rattie really that far off? Genuinely curious...
RNH's vision is miles ahead of Rattie I'd say, but Rattie is certainly a better goal scorer. Just look at this season. RNH was almost a PPG on a terrible team, and considering all the question marks about his size, that's pretty impressive. If Rattie were put in RNH's place, I think the numbers would be a lot different. RNH's footspeed allows him to break free from defenders with ease, which is his main reason for success. The guy is shifty and hard to hit, his first injury wasn't even from a body check, he fell into the boards. IMO Rattie doesn't have nearly as good footwork as RNH, and that's something he'll definitely have to work on in the summer as a smaller guy. I personally think Rattie can be a 30-30 guy once he fills out and works on his weaknesses.
8.5 is a VERY, VERY good and solid (usually all-around player). I don't think Rattie deserves that rating at this point. 7.5 C now, -steadily creeping towards 8.0 C (7.7C- ha! ha!) is probably more accurate. 8.5s are for the guys just short of Ovechkin and Crosby (9.0s).Rattie's still got several "ifs". No way he deserves 8.5. I also think D is too far away. He's no worse than C, and if he's really an 8.0, we're doing very well.
I see what you're saying, but I'm pretty high on the kid. He has a good size frame that just needs to fill out. We're not talking about a Martin St. Louis here. I feel he has the same potential as Tarasenko, but he's much less likely to reach it due to muscle mass at this point. He's no sure thing. If he continues progressing the way he has been, then the sky is the limit. Tarasenko is ahead of him due to size and experience/competition in my opinion.
Edit: BTW...The kid was highly thought of in juniors but dropped down the rankings from his lofty WHL draft status. He may have just been that little bit behind in development. Pure goal scorer, questionable skating, average size...Why does that sound so familiar?
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Tarasenko, Schwartz, and McRae all say hi. Besides the fact that Rattie is probably not anywhere physically near NHL ready yet, where exactly would he fit into the Blues lineup? Are you going to play a small offensive guy like him on your checking line? The answer is no. Rattie will not make it to the NHL next season. I would say 2013-14 at the earliest, and then still he likely starts in the AHL and works his way up. And really there's nothing wrong with that(see David Backes). Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing him continue his development in Juniors and hopefully on the International level in the WJC's.
Exactly, there are just too many good young players right now to compete for spots on a solid team w/playoff intent. A coach who traditionally doe snot like using a lot of rookies...
Rattie can be brought along slow, allowed to mature and fill out. This is great. I was surprised at how well Nuge did for EDM this year, and I am thrilled for him. But how great would it have been if he could have had this year to gain strength? Not saying he can't do this on the NHL level with elite trainers and such, but the bottom line is he has a shoulder injury that he aggravated his first game back. Perhaps it was one of those shoulder injuries that would have happened no matter what, but when you look back in EDM's history at a guy like Hemsky you have to wonder. Both players were capable of playing in the NHL at young ages, but should they have been?
Tough in these days when guys like Kane for CHI have made it and done well even though they were small. These can be guys that save a coaches/GMs job, but STL right now has the luxury or not needing Rattie.
Could Rattie play and do well? Perhaps, but I sure love the idea that Tarasenko and McRae can fill in next year and Rattie gets at least one more year to work on his game.
I actually see Rattie and Schwartz on an even level right now. McRae is obviously not the player Rattie is skill wise, but he has some goal scoring and is a big kid. Much more suited to filling in a role on a contending team next year.
Rattie going into the weekend has 51 G & 51 assists. He is one goal behind Etem for the goal scoring lead in all of junior hockey. From what I've read Rattie played last season at about 163lbs. This season he is about 10 lbs heavier but still light at 172lbs+-.
