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12-08-2011, 03:28 PM
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What happened to our 4th line?

Quickly after we acquires Noke, we started to show a very effective 4th line who could handle a lot, be very energetic and aggressive.

I remember to be quite proud of their effect on the ice when we played against the Bruins, Flyers, etc.. What happened?

Blunden and Noke are still playing there. There was no injury that I can think about. The only break I can think about is Gomez was put on their line, and they never really have recovered since

I somewhat doubt a brief playtime alongside Gomez is what rendered our 4th impotent. Am I the only one who saw the decline in quality? Am I the only one who can't explain it?

An effective 4th line made our 3-scoring lines much more effective. I want that back!!!

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12-08-2011, 03:30 PM
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Blunden caused the Canadiens to be down two-men because of a hit. The rest was history.

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Quickly after we acquires Noke, we started to show a very effective 4th line who could handle a lot, be very energetic and aggressive.

I remember to be quite proud of their effect on the ice when we played against the Bruins, Flyers, etc.. What happened?

Blunden and Noke are still playing there. There was no injury that I can think about. The only break I can think about is Gomez was put on their line, and they never really have recovered since

I somewhat doubt a brief playtime alongside Gomez is what rendered our 4th impotent. Am I the only one who saw the decline in quality? Am I the only one who can't explain it?

An effective 4th line made our 3-scoring lines much more effective. I want that back!!!

JM doesn't believe in a 4th line or energy line.... he doesn't believe in an kind of energy, all you have to do is look at him behind the bench, his heart rate never goes over 70 beats a minutes.

Short Answer: In the JM era, the habs will never have a 4th line.

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12-08-2011, 03:32 PM
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we havent had a 4h line at all this yr

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12-08-2011, 03:33 PM
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Blunden was too physical for JM

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Blunden was too physical for JM
Yup, That is why Emelin and Cole have been benched....oh wait...

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Most of the 4th liners are needed on the 2nd or 3rd line with injuries.

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we havent had a 4h line at all this yr
False. We had a very effective one for about 5-6 games in late october.

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12-08-2011, 03:35 PM
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Most of the 4th liners are needed on the 2nd or 3rd line with injuries.
You mean, Noke, Blunden and Darche/Moen all played 2-3rd line duty, right?

Maybe it's having a 7th defensemen that is killing us

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You may like his style of play, but Blunden is just not a good enough player for the NHL.

IMO Gauthier did not prepare a roster with enough NHL forwards this offseason. Nokelainen was a good addition, but that spot should have been filled already. There was no reason to count on Engqvist - he is waiver ineligible, there was no downside to Engqvist and Palushaj starting in the AHL and being used as injury replacements. There was also no reason to reserve a top 12 spot for Darche, he is ideally a #13/14. There were plenty of decent fourth liners that the Habs passed on, available right up to the end of training camp.

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12-08-2011, 05:25 PM
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They're only getting like 6 minutes a night, they need more to be effective and play their roles properly

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Yup, That is why Emelin and Cole have been benched....oh wait...
Cole started the year on the 3rd line without any PP ice time and Emelin was a healthy scratch for almost 10 games in a row...

It's not a mystery that Martin dislike physical players and grinders

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12-08-2011, 06:12 PM
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Yup, That is why Emelin and Cole have been benched....oh wait...
Col e has some hit stats but i wouldnt call him that physical-!
now a days you get a hit stat for farting!!

i notice cole laying on the ice after a hit than the opponent he hits!


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JM needs the Mole on the fourth line.

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Cole started the year on the 3rd line without any PP ice time and Emelin was a healthy scratch for almost 10 games in a row...

It's not a mystery that Martin dislike physical players and grinders
That must be the reason...





...if you ignore the fact that Cole was learning a new system and has never been productive on the PP and Emelin was coming over from Russia and had to learn a new language and game.

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12-08-2011, 06:21 PM
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You mean, Noke, Blunden and Darche/Moen all played 2-3rd line duty, right?

Maybe it's having a 7th defensemen that is killing us
Moen has played on the top 3 lines all year, Darche has played up there too at times.

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You may like his style of play, but Blunden is just not a good enough player for the NHL.

IMO Gauthier did not prepare a roster with enough NHL forwards this offseason. Nokelainen was a good addition, but that spot should have been filled already. There was no reason to count on Engqvist - he is waiver ineligible, there was no downside to Engqvist and Palushaj starting in the AHL and being used as injury replacements. There was also no reason to reserve a top 12 spot for Darche, he is ideally a #13/14. There were plenty of decent fourth liners that the Habs passed on, available right up to the end of training camp.
Darche scored 12 goals and was almost at 0.5 PPGM last year playing about 10 minutes a game, if that's not good enough for a 4th line I don't know what is.

Not sure how PG would have known he would struggle this year, I guess taht would show up in the same crystal ball that knew Markov would have a setback and Campoli would be hurt after half a game...

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Too bad Conboy is hurt, would've liked seeing him get a couple games on the 4th line to help bring it some energy until White is back.

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We play our 4th liners on scoring lines

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I would love a 4th line of Moen-Noke-White. Put Leblanc with Eller and Kostitsyn

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I totally agree. For the first time we had an effective 4th line with Nokes, Blunden/Moen and Darche, then JM the idiot splits them up. I know Moen has 8 goals, but he's not a top 6 player. JM could have put Palshaj or Leblanc there. We had one line working and he goes and screw with it!

Also, what's the deal with not having Nokes take key faceoffs? Whatever happened to the days when your best faceoff man actually took important faceoffs?

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Too bad Conboy is hurt, would've liked seeing him get a couple games on the 4th line to help bring it some energy until White is back.
Do you know when he will be back ?

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Do you know when he will be back ?
Conboy will never be a HAb not as long as oat and martin and gainey run the titanic

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I would love a 4th line of Moen-Noke-White. Put Leblanc with Eller and Kostitsyn
And where would JM play Darche ?

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The fourth line in Montreal has officially been renamed the "Jacques Martin Doghouse" line.

It's where players like Pyatt, Pouliot, S Kostitsyn etc go to see their hockey game/skills die (in Montreal only).

Has O'Byrne ever played on the 4th line for Jacques?

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