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12-08-2011, 10:10 PM
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The All(Star) Purpose Cody Hodgson Thread (part 1?)

I honestly don't know what more this kid has to do. He has, short of the Sedins, the best puck skills on this team, and is growing into a much more responsible two-way player. Case in point: he has been a minus player ONCE in the last 14 games (the 5-1 L to CHI), and shows so much ability to create legitimate scoring chances, despite being on a line with an under-performing defensive specialist (Manny) and captain stone-hands himself, Hansen.

And yet, he gets less minutes than Lappy and Malhotra, and more than only Weise and Sweatt? In a game where he looks dangerous every shift?

Discuss. Am I delusional here? Surely I can't be the only one who recognizes how under-utilized this kid is right now, especially with Booth and Higgins out of the line-up.

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So many complaints about this today. I posted this in the other thread, but I'll mention it again. His linemates were Sweatt and Lapierre-- a guy in his first game in the NHL, and a regular feature of the fourth line. Yeah, Lapierre is good enough to be a third-line forward, but not out of position and on a semi-scoring line with Hodgson. The Sedins, Kesler et al. were at over 22 minutes on the night for a reason: AV didn't trust the composition of the other two lines as a whole. Not everything is about Cody.

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I trust how AV is developing Hodgson. Just take a look at Raymond, Hansen, Kesler, Burrows. Hodgson will force AV to give him ice-time. Right now he's producing but still needs to learn the defensive side of the game.

Patience.

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He has to get more experience. AV has been progressively giving him ice time in proportion to that. Personally, I am pleased with how Cody has been developing and the production he has.

AV doesn't have last change on the road, so Cody is going to be sheltered and left on the shelf. He doesn't trust Cody's defensive game, and to be honest, neither do I.

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I honestly don't know what more this kid has to do. He has, short of the Sedins, the best puck skills on this team, and is growing into a much more responsible two-way player. Case in point: he has been a minus player ONCE in the last 14 games (the 5-1 L to CHI), and shows so much ability to create legitimate scoring chances, despite being on a line with an under-performing defensive specialist (Manny) and captain stone-hands himself, Hansen.

And yet, he gets less minutes than Lappy and Malhotra, and more than only Weise and Sweatt? In a game where he looks dangerous every shift?

Discuss. Am I delusional here? Surely I can't be the only one who recognizes how under-utilized this kid is right now, especially with Booth and Higgins out of the line-up.
Except Hodgson gets more ES icetime than either LaPierre or Malhotra not to mention Volpatti and Weise. He gets more icetime overall than Lapierre, Volpatti and Weise with only Malhotra surpassing him overall because of a large amount of PK time.

Fact is he isn't going to get more time than Sedin, Sedin, BUrrows, Kesler, Higgins, Booth (the way he started to play), or Hansen. Add to that Raymond. All those players are better than him overall as players. AV puts him in situations to succeed and he has been doing that.

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Keep in mind that it's not that he's getting so little shifts, it's that he has the shortest shifts (by quite a margin) than any other Canuck. I remember watching an interview on Canucks TV in which either Hodgson or AV said that they will be stressing short shifts for Hodgson this season.

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Keep in mind that it's not that he's getting so little shifts, it's that he has the shortest shifts (by quite a margin) than any other Canuck. I remember watching an interview on Canucks TV in which either Hodgson or AV said that they will be stressing short shifts for Hodgson this season.
Which is why I think my theory of his three long shifts in a row tonight had something to do with him sitting back part of the third and in OT. However he was rewarded for his contributions with a SO attempt.

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Nice to see Cody Hodgson having a great season! Big props to @GaryRobertsHPT. Last guy off the ice every day of Biosteel camp! #workethic!
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I think it's rare that a coach uses a rookie to anchor a line but that's what AV has been doing with Cody for the last month and a half or so. I also think that Cody's ice time is a reflection of who he is playing with more than anything. Most of the time he's playing with wingers who play on the PK so he'll miss shifts because of their fatigue level etc...

AV has used him is key situations and, as mentioned, is using him as the anchor on that 3rd line which is kudos to Cody for gaining his confidence in that regard.

His ice-time will increase as the season progresses and the Canucks line-up stabilizes.

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He's still young and needs to earn the trust of the coaching staff. I remember when AV used to be hard on Hansen and Raymond, and they are now better well-rounded players because of it.

But let's not act like AV isn't acknowledging Hodgson's good play. He was the 1st shooter in the SO for a reason.

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^exactly. Remember, AV was benching Raymond and Hansen over players who didn't deserve to be on an AHL team.

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I remember at the beginning of the year I argued that the best way for Hodgson to get better was to play him more. There were those who mocked me and said Hodgson is not the guy we need this year and that we shouldn't play him over any veterans.

Enjoy a tall glass of "I told you so".

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AV's track record of developing our young players into solid, if not outright dominant NHL contributors is beyond reproach in my opinion.

It baffles me that so many armchair coaches think they know better than him. Impatience seems to cloud their judgement. Cody is doing very well in the limited, controlled minutes he's getting now. He's being given a good chance to build his confidence and adjust to his role and the league. He's also learning that he'll be held accountable for poor decision making.

Could he maintain his level of play with more minutes? It's certainly possible. However it's just as likely, if not moreso, that his current level of play is a result of effective management on the part of the coaching staff.

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AV showed that he knows Cody has the best shootout skills on the team.

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There is certain situations that I'd like to see Cody get more minutes. ie.

When we are up big in the 3rd and on a PK he needs to be thrown out there, not Kesler or Burrows or Manny etc. He needs the experience and be allowed to gain AV's confidence on the defensive side of the puck. Also seems silly to have guys like Kesler or Burrows blocking shots in a game that has already been determined. Maybe Hodgson will impress on the PK and won't have to go 5 or 6 minutes before getting back on the ice.

When it's in OT...playing Manny instead of Coho is playing to lose. Whatever you gain with Manny in faceoffs you lose in the blackhole of offense. The goal is to score in OT and Cody gives you a much better chance of doing that.

When the team is trailing. Lets face it Manny, Weise, Lappy, etc aren't going to provide much offense. Ride the top lines, but ride the third line as well. Put the guys out there who provide offense and can get you back in the game. When you roll three lines as good as the canucks can when healthy it makes it very hard for the opposition to hide a weak defense pairing or forward line.

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I remember at the beginning of the year I argued that the best way for Hodgson to get better was to play him more. There were those who mocked me and said Hodgson is not the guy we need this year and that we shouldn't play him over any veterans.

Enjoy a tall glass of "I told you so".
Yeah, there were a bunch of posters who suggested the Canucks should trade Hodgson because the bottom two lines were "set" with Manny and Lapierre at centre.

All the kid needed was a chance.

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There is certain situations that I'd like to see Cody get more minutes. ie.

When we are up big in the 3rd and on a PK he needs to be thrown out there, not Kesler or Burrows or Manny etc. He needs the experience and be allowed to gain AV's confidence on the defensive side of the puck. Also seems silly to have guys like Kesler or Burrows blocking shots in a game that has already been determined. Maybe Hodgson will impress on the PK and won't have to go 5 or 6 minutes before getting back on the ice.

When it's in OT...playing Manny instead of Coho is playing to lose. Whatever you gain with Manny in faceoffs you lose in the blackhole of offense. The goal is to score in OT and Cody gives you a much better chance of doing that.

When the team is trailing. Lets face it Manny, Weise, Lappy, etc aren't going to provide much offense. Ride the top lines, but ride the third line as well. Put the guys out there who provide offense and can get you back in the game. When you roll three lines as good as the canucks can when healthy it makes it very hard for the opposition to hide a weak defense pairing or forward line.
When the faceoff is in the defensive end, the goal is to not get scored on. That's why Manny was out there.

I don't remember that play specifically, but did Manny lose? I'd expect him to immediately change had he won the faceoff.

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When the team is trailing. Lets face it Manny, Weise, Lappy, etc aren't going to provide much offense. Ride the top lines, but ride the third line as well. Put the guys out there who provide offense and can get you back in the game. When you roll three lines as good as the canucks can when healthy it makes it very hard for the opposition to hide a weak defense pairing or forward line.
He does get played .... when he has complimentary linemates that can provide offensive spark. As others mentioned about tonight, Lapierre and Sweatt don't exactly scream offensive threat...

Look at his TOI against Colorado where his whole line could produce - 15 1/2 mins of ice time that game. For a third line player, that's amazing.

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There is certain situations that I'd like to see Cody get more minutes. ie.

When we are up big in the 3rd and on a PK he needs to be thrown out there, not Kesler or Burrows or Manny etc. He needs the experience and be allowed to gain AV's confidence on the defensive side of the puck. Also seems silly to have guys like Kesler or Burrows blocking shots in a game that has already been determined. Maybe Hodgson will impress on the PK and won't have to go 5 or 6 minutes before getting back on the ice.

When it's in OT...playing Manny instead of Coho is playing to lose. Whatever you gain with Manny in faceoffs you lose in the blackhole of offense. The goal is to score in OT and Cody gives you a much better chance of doing that.

When the team is trailing. Lets face it Manny, Weise, Lappy, etc aren't going to provide much offense. Ride the top lines, but ride the third line as well. Put the guys out there who provide offense and can get you back in the game. When you roll three lines as good as the canucks can when healthy it makes it very hard for the opposition to hide a weak defense pairing or forward line.
As a poster mentioned, Hodgson is a liability 4v4. He's not slow by any means, but the combination of his defensive game and his lack of backchecking might have killed us. Although Malhotra is largely useless offensively, he can still see enough to backcheck and win faceoffs.

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Gary Roberts just retweeted this.
In case people don't know, Matt Nichol is a strength and conditioning coach and works at Gary Roberts' gym (at least as a consultant), so he would've gotten to work with Hodgson this summer.

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As a poster mentioned, Hodgson is a liability 4v4. He's not slow by any means, but the combination of his defensive game and his lack of backchecking might have killed us. Although Malhotra is largely useless offensively, he can still see enough to backcheck and win faceoffs.
Again, Hodgson has been very dangerous 4-on-4 this season. He scored at 4-on-4 in the third period of tonight's game, did he not?

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As a poster mentioned, Hodgson is a liability 4v4. He's not slow by any means, but the combination of his defensive game and his lack of backchecking might have killed us. Although Malhotra is largely useless offensively, he can still see enough to backcheck and win faceoffs.
Don't see how Hodgson is a liability. In that case you might as well not use the Sedins. Just throw guys out there who will dump and chase.

Why does everyone assume that Hodgson is bad defensively? not sure where this all got started but he has always been a solid two way player. If he was on a team who didn't have so many good PKers he would probably be seeing PK time.
He's also +7 over his last 11 games.

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Don't see how Hodgson is a liability. In that case you might as well not use the Sedins. Just throw guys out there who will dump and chase.

Why does everyone assume that Hodgson is bad defensively? not sure where this all got started but he has always been a solid two way player. If he was on a team who didn't have so many good PKers he would probably be seeing PK time.
He's also +7 over his last 11 games.
He's not a liability, I was just stating why he may have been benched. But it's a matter of who would you rather put on? A defensive veteran? Or a rookie who is good but is still a rookie? in a 4v4 OT.

The Sedins are different, because more often than not they control the 4v4 play that they don't need to play defensively.

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Again, Hodgson has been very dangerous 4-on-4 this season. He scored at 4-on-4 in the third period of tonight's game, did he not?
He is dangerous 4v4. But putting out a rookie 4v4 down 3-1 is a lot different than putting out a rookie 4v4 in a 3-3 OT game.

In the first situation you're hoping for a dangerous offensive rookie to score and get you back in the game.

The second situation is hoping for a dangerous offensive rookie to score and to not be scored on.

I can see how AV decided to go with "I'll pick the veteran instead" choice.

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