So we basically kick Wisniewski, who we knew fit this system and proceeded to a career high 53 point season, to the curb because of term but throwing money away on Kaberle is okay? Gauthier must really detest long term contracts. While I had once always wanted Kaberle on the roster, his career looks to be on a downward spiral and of all the players to throw the dice on, he was not one of them. We attempted this with Gomez and have suffered every since, yet once again the cycle continues. The sheer irony is St. Denis was playing quite well and I would have much preferred to let him run with it.
This trade has Gainey written all over it. On a positive note, either Kaberle rebounds or fails to the point Gauthier has no redemption. So a win/win in a way.
Well, if the trade ends up sucking we are closer to cleaning house and getting ROY as GM, who will flip things around and lead us to the promised land within 2 years.
We will see on if he will be an effective PPQB as some mention here.
Carolina is ranked 26th this year
Boston was ranked 20th
Toronto was ranked 22nd
2009-2010 Toronto was ranked 30th
2008-2009 Toronto was ranked 16th
2007-2008 Toronto was ranked 15th
2006-2007 Toronto was ranked 16th
So i dont see lethal PP's with Kaberle as QB.
He didn't fit in with the Bruins, if you watched their PP last year they all just stood there. Carolina.. is a terrible team right now, everyone is struggling.
As for his time in Toronto.. he was much better with the Muskoka 5 and pre-lockout when we had a lethal shot in McCabe and Sundin. I think he can bounce back (it sucks for us if he does) but I have a gut feeling he'll bounce back.
Man, how's he going to help the power play? Did PG not see how he helped Boston's power play first round last year.
I would have gone after Souray before this.
none of you seem to realize that they way to have a good offence starts at the backend, by having a guy who could make a solid breakout pass it makes it a lot easier on the forwards to have more of a sustained attack.
can the poor guy atleast play a game before u guys thrash him ? i would love to see Kabs getting 3 points next game just to see half the people in here calling him a hero,atleast i know Pleks is happy with this move
Habs obviously see what is apparent to anyone watching the Habs play this year...they need a PP QB
Kaberle's contract is a tough one to swallow though and i'm not sure he's much of a PP QB anymore, but I get why this did this.
I feel like this is because Martin has designed the PP around Markov instead of designing a system based around what he actually has, not what he has ideally... I think a lot of Martin's system is based on ideals (SHOULD defend, SHOULD be in position x,y, SHOULD break out like this) and not actual reality... it's obvious his boss is on the same level of reality as he is.. Match made in heaven..
Totally true. We should know that. We had PLENTY of cap space and we acquired Gomez, Gionta and Cammalleri.....So capspace does not win you games. Though maybe lack thereof makes you take harder decisions than you should have. And at one point, if you are way too tight....and are one or 2 players to go far but those players could cost a lot.....if you can't make the moves....isn't it problematic? Especially when that capspace you are using isn't exactly well used?
There's always ways to maneuver around a lack of capspace...that's why GM's are paid and they have capologist to figure this out.
STRICTLY from a hockey standpoint, Kaberle IMO, is a better dman than Spacek and can help the Habs much more than Spacek can. The fact that Spacek was pending UFA and that his 3.8M that he freed up in the summer, would somehow magically turn into an impact player is a leap of faith, even moreso than this current trade.
I'm not saying this trade is 100% going to work out...but had the Habs gotten Kaberle for Spacek at the deadline 8-9 months ago, EVERYONE here would be ecstatic.
I have trouble believing that Kaberle has completely forgotten how to play hockey since then...
Whitesnake...with all due respect, and I mean that sincerely because you're one of my favorite posters here..
But I think you're overreacting a bit...Not sure why Kaberle's contract affects you so much, the Habs have capspace and are struggling right now, holding on to capspace just for the sake of it does nothing.
We'll see if the move pans out, but I have trouble understanding why you don't see how this trade COULD (and I say that very cautiously) help the Habs
I do mention at the last of one my posts that we will see. Of course, every move could help. Don't worry, Kaberle will get a few points in the first games, we all hear about "Where are the haters" so chances are he'll help at first. Thing is, I'm just being consequent. Didn't like him in Boston. Watch some Carolina games didn't notice him and when I did, wasn't for the good reasons etc....Don't like the guy.
But new players do often come and help their new teams at first. Which means at the very least we might get something out of this. Just not my favorite player. Just not the type of player I wished we'd go for. But don't worry, I'll blend in. We acquired him. He's suddenly becoming my favorite player. I want a jersey.
I already mentioning I'm happy we didn't send a pick. Happy that we didn't send a young player in the process. It's not ALL bad. But to me it's not the type of move I think was needed. Unless he suddenly start knowing how to rule a PP again and plays like the old Tomas he was in Toronto.
Just looking at Kaberle's career stats. He's not injury prone (playing many full 82 game seasons). He's always been a great to good point producer. Even with the hard time he had in Boston, he still had 9 or 10 points in 24 games AND was a plus 6. Granted he doesn't hit, but he's a good skater with some size. Carolina sucks! Who wouldn't be bad there. He went from playing in 2 hockey mad cities, winning a cup, to a city that doesn't even deserve a team (Carolina). We have the defence to cover this guys blunders. Hell, we did it for Wiz and MAB!
Spacek is old, brittle, and will probably never play close to a full season again. In fact, I'd bet this will be his last.
I say give the guy a chance before we condemn this deal.
Good resume Waffledave.
