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12-09-2011, 03:36 PM
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I like this acquisition.....for sure Kaberle has a lot left in the tank....and he will be a positive addition to the team....he may end up being a great mentor for PK.....we have to make some other moves now for salary reasons....so I see Weber's name coming up soon....hopefully some other moves also...(Gomez one way or another) ..and what do we do once Markov returns....could Gill be next to go (wishful thinking)?..lol
Kaberle is no Mentor, if you saw Arpons tweets. One was a quote from Gill saying that Spacek lit up the room & he played with Kaberle with the Leafs & only remembers that he kept to himself mostly.

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I'm pretty sure the Bruins' PP last year was already dead when Kaberle got there.
but isnt that kind of a bad point. Montreal is hoping he resurrects their PP. He did nothing to improve B-towns PP and thats why they brought him in here.

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I think Gorges is going to ditch us. Ugly negotiations last year and here we are overpaying for other over the hill players. It won't surprise me at all if he jumps ship.
Just because they didn't sign him long-term, doesn't mean negotiations were ugly.

The Habs could easily have dragged Gorges to arbitration, where his intangible qualities wouldn't get rewarded, his lack of glossy stats and his recent injury would most likely have led to a poor settlement from him. That would've been ugly.

Instead, they (almost) doubled his salary. I think that was a show of good will and a fitting reward for his contributions before the injury.

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I think Gorges is going to ditch us. Ugly negotiations last year and here we are overpaying for other over the hill players. It won't surprise me at all if he jumps ship.
It would be a big loss regarding leadership no doubt..

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but isnt that kind of a bad point. Montreal is hoping he resurrects their PP. He did nothing to improve B-towns PP and thats why they brought him in here.
As I said in my other post, it sure didnt click with Chara but it clicked pretty well with Seidenberg, a more mobile defenseman in the stanley cup final..

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but isnt that kind of a bad point. Montreal is hoping he resurrects their PP. He did nothing to improve B-towns PP and thats why they brought him in here.
Oh, it is. Kaberle hesitance to shoot was a factor. Hopefully the Habs were looking for a passer because they will be disappointed otherwise.

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12-09-2011, 03:40 PM
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Think he put up a few points right before the trade to Boston to. Guess what? He was no where near in the condition that our guys were in and flat out could not handle the level and intensity of skating expected from him here. You guys are faster than we are, he couldn't hang with our boys, you think he's going to all of a sudden be in that kind of shape for you? Good luck, hopefully for your sakes he is as you're stuck with him for the next 2 years. At least we were able to dump him after a couple of months.
We basically got him as a UFA signing (pretty much) but you guys gave up a ton of futures to acquire him arguably balancing out that Kessel trade.

How is that in anyway similar? Don't get me wrong I hate the deal, but at least we didn't give up anything in order to acquire him. We were never going to re-sign Spacek anyways. That having been said I agree with your other points, I just hope to god it somehow works out but I won't hold my breath.

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Oh, it is. Kaberle hesitance to shoot was a factor. Hopefully the Habs were looking for a passer because they will be disappointed otherwise.
That was the idea with Pleky on the point. Should be a good fit. Can't be as bad as having Pleky or Gorges there can it?

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but isnt that kind of a bad point. Montreal is hoping he resurrects their PP. He did nothing to improve B-towns PP and thats why they brought him in here.
- its the same here and even worse- Bruins wanted him for a stanley cup run for there poor PP- Habs want him to just drag themselves into a 7th or 8th spot run for there poor PP-

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As I said in my other post, it sure didnt click with Chara but it clicked pretty well with Seidenberg, a more mobile defenseman in the stanley cup final..
he had 2 power play points in the finals, i hardly consider that "clicking."

Thats like saying bad to mediocre

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Sigh. Kaberle will suck just as he has elsewhere and he will cause problems re-signing Emelin, Diaz, Subban, Max, Price...

I was OK with Gauthier, but if Kaberle does not immediately right the power play without being a sieve on defense he should be gone. Mid-January evaluation with an axe...

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Ummm maybe he was still shocked with the trade. It does happen you know, they are human beings. He still had more points than the big doofus in the playoffs with less on ice time. But hey your crystal ball is the expensive one so....
Maybe he was still shocked with trade?! What the **** are you talking about??? So by your logic, he's probably extremely shocked right now and therefore we shouldn't really expect much from him. It all makes sense now, PunkinDrublic.

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We basically got him as a UFA signing (pretty much) but you guys gave up a ton of futures to acquire him arguably balancing out that Kessel trade.

How is that in anyway similar? Don't get me wrong I hate the deal, but at least we didn't give up anything in order to acquire him. We were never going to re-sign Spacek anyways. That having been said I agree with your other points, I just hope to god it somehow works out but I won't hold my breath.
and that shows that no one else wanted kaberle- not even for absolutely nothing

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I really hate to interrupt the whine fest with some logic and common sense, but here's Kaberle's numbers:

- 13th in NHL for points amongst defensemen with 47 points, ahead of Letang, Goligoski, Chara and many others.
- 10th in the NHL for PP points amongst defensemen with 25 PP points
- 5th in the league amongst defensemen with 43 assists
- 5th in the league including forwards with 25 PP assists

These stats aren't from 3 or 4 years ago, they're from last season, including what everyone is calling a horrid time in Boston.

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Except he's been pretty terrible on the PP for the Leafs, Bruins and Canes. He used to be an extremely elusive skater, amazing passer, and a guy who would shoot occasionally. He's still a smooth skater, but doesn't have the speed/quickness to easily beat guys like he used to. Never shoots, still a good passer, but teams just overplay the pass because he won't shoot, and won't easily beat his man straight up, so they neutralize his passing game well. He has not improved any PP that he's been a part of recently, I really doubt he'll help the Habs PP either.
In 2010-11 only 4 players set up more PP goals then Tomas Kaberle. They are Marty St Louis, Nick Lidstrom, Henrik Sedin and Lubomir Visnovsky. If that's "terrible" on the PP, then sign me up for some of that.

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In the 78 games he's played after leaving the Leafs last season he has 29 points averaging 18-19min/game.
Ignoring the fact that a good chunk of that came in the playoffs, 29 points in almost 82 games outside of Toronto still isn't that bad. That would have been good enough for 47th place in the leage. Really not as terrible as most of you want him to be. Definitely not the numbers of someone who sucks and is "washed up" and "finished".

I hate to say it, but he might actually generate some offense, which this team desperately needs.

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I think Gorges is going to ditch us. Ugly negotiations last year and here we are overpaying for other over the hill players. It won't surprise me at all if he jumps ship.
Ugh. No, no, no. The negotiations were not ugly and the team has tons of cap space.

Where do you people come up with this junk?

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That was the idea with Pleky on the point. Should be a good fit. Can't be as bad as having Pleky or Gorges there can it?
True. I'm expecting a Kabs-Subban pairing since PK can shoot it and they're two righties. The second pairing is irrelevant since they can't score anyway.

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Sorry to see you guys got stuck with this dog. He was brutal last year in Boston and most Bruins fans were overjoyed when Chiarelli didn't resign him. He was out of position so frequently in his defensive zone that Claude tried his best to hide him on the bottom pairing and limited his minutes every chance he got. He ended up pulling the lowest amount of time out of all their d during the playoffs. It was absurd especially since all the Leaf fans talked about how great this guy was. He was really bad and to make it even worse, he had the B's GM question his shape and work ethic. He could still be a useful player if he dedicated himself to getting in shape, but I question whether he has the desire.

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I used to always think: you can trade a good player, you can trade a bad player, you can't trade a bad contract. But actually you can - just dial the Habs front office.

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Why are you all talking about Gorges leaving and this team not being able to sign anyone else going forward, do any of you know that Kaberle's cap hit is ONLY $2.78 milliondollars per year and that's a lower cap hit than the majority of our players over the age of 28?

Secondly, ONLY Markov and Kaberle are signed for next season and no one else, so how is it possible that we pass up on Gorges who will only make about $3,500,000.00 going forward?

Next season, I see:

Markov - Emelin
Gorges - Subban
XXXXX - Kaberle

XXXXX = Diaz or a UFA defensive defenseman

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Chara was put in front of the net if i am not mistaken. Boston also had the third worst PP in the playoffs last year. They allowed more short handed goals then they scored on the PP.
Backwards. We SCORED more shorthanded goals than we did power play goals. I was of the mind last year that instead of giving us the power play, that player that committed the penalty should just make a $500 donation to the charity of choice of Bruins player whom he committed the penalty against. At least some lil kids somewhere would get something out of it.

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Kaberle is no Mentor, if you saw Arpons tweets. One was a quote from Gill saying that Spacek lit up the room & he played with Kaberle with the Leafs & only remembers that he kept to himself mostly.
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Gonna miss Kaba. Absolute great guy, teammate and friend. Wish him all the best in Montreal.

So everyone has their own opinions on people.
Plus, last time Gill and and Kaberle played together was a while ago.. so people change.

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Sorry to see you guys got stuck with this dog. He was brutal last year in Boston and most Bruins fans were overjoyed when Chiarelli didn't resign him. He was out of position so frequently in his defensive zone that Claude tried his best to hide him on the bottom pairing and limited his minutes every chance he got. He ended up pulling the lowest amount of time out of all their d during the playoffs. It was absurd especially since all the Leaf fans talked about how great this guy was. He was really bad and to make it even worse, he had the B's GM question his shape and work ethic. He could still be a useful player if he dedicated himself to getting in shape, but I question whether he has the desire.
Habs specialize in bottom pairing d-men.

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We basically got him as a UFA signing (pretty much) but you guys gave up a ton of futures to acquire him arguably balancing out that Kessel trade.

How is that in anyway similar? Don't get me wrong I hate the deal, but at least we didn't give up anything in order to acquire him. We were never going to re-sign Spacek anyways. That having been said I agree with your other points, I just hope to god it somehow works out but I won't hold my breath.
I don't think I follow your 'similar' question, the deals themselves aren't in any way similar and I don't think I said they were?

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Why are you all talking about Gorges leaving and this team not being able to sign anyone else going forward, do any of you know that Kaberle's cap hit is ONLY $2.78 milliondollars per year and that's a lower cap hit than the majority of our players over the age of 28?
What are you talking about with Kaberle's cap hit???

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