When you consider that the Rangers have played without their best D-man all season and had to endure that terrible scheduling early on, its nothing short of amazing how well they are doing.
I think people are getting too caught up in how individual players are doing and how certain games look. The big picture is that the Rangers are playing extremely well and I'm enjoying the hell out of it.
Grade: A
GottaAgreeWichuThere.
Still a ways to go, but all things considered a very good start.
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I'm a Dubinsky fan boy but if you give him anything more than a d your insane. He was given a big contract and he has failed to deliver so far. I do think he'll pick it up though.
I'm a Dubinsky fan boy but if you give him anything more than a d your insane. He was given a big contract and he has failed to deliver so far. I do think he'll pick it up though.
He's been playing good again recently. Problem is, he's with Prust and Boyle, instead of Hagelin and Mitchell, where he should be.
My grading might be a little exaggerated, but I can't really bash much about this current roster's play. Yeah, Boyle is nowhere near last year's performance, but he's doing alright as a 4th/3rd liner. Dubi isn't putting pucks in the net, but his play is horrendous. Nobody's really stinking other than who's not playing now (Wolski, Christensen).
Artem Anisimov: A-
Sean Avery: C
Brian Boyle: F
Ryan Callahan: A+
Brandon Dubinsky: F- (You're here to score, and we don't need a $4million grinder)
Ruslan Fedotenko: B
Marian Gaborik: A+
Carl Hagelin: A
John Mitchell: A-
Brandon Prust: B
Brad Richards: A-
Derek Stepan: B
Michael Del Zotto: A-
Steve Eminger: B
Dan Girardi: A++++
Ryan McDonagh: A+
Michael Sauer: A+
Jeff Woywitka: B
Henrik Lundqvist: A-
Marty Biron: B+
Overall team: B
They would have got an A, but to me the worthless powerplay is a full letter grade deduction.
Avery is useless except for those goals. Dubinsky's been good in everything but scoring.
so if both players continue this pace for a whole season, who played better? dubinsky inst here to be good in everything but scoring. hes been awful, only guy worse is boyle
When you consider that the Rangers have played without their best D-man all season and had to endure that terrible scheduling early on, its nothing short of amazing how well they are doing.
I think people are getting too caught up in how individual players are doing and how certain games look. The big picture is that the Rangers are playing extremely well and I'm enjoying the hell out of it.
Grade: A
This is how I feel as well. With the way October shaped up, I was afraid that it would bury us in the standings early especially with Staal out. They managed to get through it at .500 and took off from there. There's obviously kinks they have to work out but honestly, every team has issues and problems they deal with it.
New York Rangers: A- . Team has been the embodiment of what Torts reaches. After a rough start they've started to gel and It's been fun since then. Lets hope they keep it going.
Derek Stepan: A-
Artem Anisimov: B+
Sean Avery: C
Brian Boyle: C-(would be lower but has been playing better recently)
Ryan Callahan: A+
Erik Christensen: F
Andre Deveaux: D
Brandon Dubinsky: C-
Ruslan Fedotenko: B
Marian Gaborik: A
Carl Hagelin: B+
John Mitchell: B
Brandon Prust: B
Brad Richards: A
Michael Del Zotto: B+
Steve Eminger: B
Dan Girardi: A+
Ryan McDonagh: A
Michael Sauer: A-
Jeff Woywitka: C
dont see how some guys give avery a c- when he already tied his goals total from last year. avery 3 goals, dubinsky 1. b for avery f for dubinsky.
f for boyle aswell.
In one post, you just lost any credibility in your pro-Avery campaign. You've spent months repeating the idea that assists are just as important as goals in order to support Avery's stats from last season. Now you give Dubinsky an F because he only has one goal (and, even if he doesn't break out of his slump, Dubinsky is on pace for just as many goals and a hell of a lot more assists than Avery's numbers from last year).
I agree with you about Avery getting a raw deal, but this post makes you look like such a hypocrite.
In one post, you just lost any credibility in your pro-Avery campaign. You've spent months repeating the idea that assists are just as important as goals in order to support Avery's stats from last season. Now you give Dubinsky an F because he only has one goal (and, even if he doesn't break out of his slump, Dubinsky is on pace for just as many goals and a hell of a lot more assists than Avery's numbers from last year).
I agree with you about Avery getting a raw deal, but this post makes you look like such a hypocrite.
I admit that the immediate change in perspective on the part of Avery's biggest supporters has caught me a little off guard.
But by previous logic Avery's great playmaking ability should be providing heaping helpings of tap in goals for Dubinsky.
i think my "first 25 games" mvp goes to dan girardi. guy has proved me wrong so far this season. (i thought he'd be terrible without staal.)
people have been saying "im not worried about dubi he'll break out of his funk" for a while now but 25 games in and he has 1 goal. hes doing other things well but he should be scoring more. hes on pace for what? 4 goals? obviously i think he'll get alot more but if he puts up less then 20 i will be very disappointed.
the only argument you can make is that his linemates aren't too good which is not a bad argument to be honest.
The team has played well considering Dubi's slump...Staal out and we have added a couple of more pieces in Richards and Hagelin along with DelZotto doing ok . I have also been very happy with Biron and his wins...that's a great bonus . I will give the team an A but I have a feeling with our current roster we will not match up well against quite a few teams in the playoffs . The last 25 games of the year will reveal a lot about our team ...one way or the other .
If we were told on Oct 1 that at the 25 game mark we would have 0 games from Staal and 1 Goal from Dubinsky but have a 15-6 record... you would have been laughed off the board.
In one post, you just lost any credibility in your pro-Avery campaign. You've spent months repeating the idea that assists are just as important as goals in order to support Avery's stats from last season. Now you give Dubinsky an F because he only has one goal (and, even if he doesn't break out of his slump, Dubinsky is on pace for just as many goals and a hell of a lot more assists than Avery's numbers from last year).
I agree with you about Avery getting a raw deal, but this post makes you look like such a hypocrite.
no you missed the point. the point im making is comparing avery this year to avery last year and so far all he gets is a c? and dubinsky this year to dubinsky last year and he gets a b? the point is averys game is up and dubinskys is down.
as chael sonnen would say, change the base in your tone and get your facts straight. im no hypocrite.
no you missed the point. the point im making is comparing avery this year to avery last year and so far all he gets is a c? and dubinsky this year to dubinsky last year and he gets a b? the point is averys game is up and dubinskys is down.
as chael sonnen would say, change the base in your tone and get your facts straight. im no hypocrite.
and dubinsky gets an f.
No, I got your point quite plainly. Dubinsky's game is identical to last season, with two notable exceptions. His goals (and shooting) are way down, and his assists are way up (he's on pace for about 10 more assists than his previous career high). I understood plainly that your point in THIS thread was that Dubinsky deserves an F because his goal total has gone south. That said, in your Avery threads, your point has consistently been that assists are just as valuable as goals. Ergo, your point in THIS thread argues the exact opposite of your point in the AVERY threads, making you a hypocrite.
Like I said, I agree with you about Avery (check back in the Avery threads. I was one of the only ones arguing in favor of your side). I think he's had a good year in limited minutes (just like last year). You just can't justify using an argument to denounce Dubinsky when you got all upset when those same arguments were used to denounce Avery.
New York Rangers: A. 10 games over .500 without their #1 defenseman and Sauer missing a bunch of games. Just awesome.
Derek Stepan: A- (Great start to the season. Torts has called him the Rangers best forward on numerous occasions.)
Artem Anisimov: B+ (After a bad start, has really picked it up. Played excellent two-way hockey, starting to pile up the assists. Love the charisma.)
Sean Avery: B- (Classic Avery, playing well, creating havoc, chipping in on the offense. Torts needs to give him a bit more of a chance.)
Brian Boyle: C (Good everywhere but offensively, where he's been a complete blackhole for the most part.)
Ryan Callahan: A+ (What can you say? On pace for 35+ goals, as good as ever defensively, just consistent Ryan Callahan hockey.)
Erik Christensen: N/A (He's played?)
Andre Deveaux: C (Fine as a fill in 4th liner. Been treated a bit rough because of the elbow, not a bad player to have in the AHL in case of the need for a bit of a shakeup.)
Brandon Dubinsky: D (He's paid to score goals, first and foremost. Good defensively and on the PK, NEEDS to start putting up the points. He looks anemic when trying to handle the puck. Every single pass to him bounces off his stick.)
Ruslan Fedotenko: B+ (Great start. Good all-around player, has filled in well for Dubinsky on that line with Richards/Callahan)
Marian Gaborik: A (On pace for over 40 goals. Looks like the Gaborik of old.)
Carl Hagelin: A (Unbelievable surprise. 6 points in 8 games, always buzzing around out there, just a joy of a player to watch. He's going to be a good one.
John Mitchell: B-/C (Solid fill in.)
Brandon Prust: C (Very average this season. Great on the PK, and has given the Rangers momentum a few times with his toughness, but he needs to pick it up a bit. Probably playing hurt, though.)
Brad Richards: A+ (#1 center this team has needed since Nylander. Putting up points, playing well defensively. Living up to the hype.)
Michael Del Zotto: A (What a turnaround. On pace for 40 points, logging 20+ minutes a night as a top-4 defenseman)
Steve Eminger: C+ (Has played extremely well in Sauer's absence, has been okay for most of the season.)
Dan Girardi: A+ (28 minutes a game. 'Nuff said.)
Ryan McDonagh: A (Awesome emergence from the youngster. 25+ minutes a night + on pace for 41 points. Not bad for a twenty-two year old sophrook.)
Michael Sauer: A- (Would be an A, but the injuries have taken away his reliability a bit.)
Jeff Woywitka: B- (Solid bottom pairing defenseman.)
No, I got your point quite plainly. Dubinsky's game is identical to last season, with two notable exceptions. His goals (and shooting) are way down, and his assists are way up (he's on pace for about 10 more assists than his previous career high). I understood plainly that your point in THIS thread was that Dubinsky deserves an F because his goal total has gone south. That said, in your Avery threads, your point has consistently been that assists are just as valuable as goals. Ergo, your point in THIS thread argues the exact opposite of your point in the AVERY threads, making you a hypocrite.
Like I said, I agree with you about Avery (check back in the Avery threads. I was one of the only ones arguing in favor of your side). I think he's had a good year in limited minutes (just like last year). You just can't justify using an argument to denounce Dubinsky when you got all upset when those same arguments were used to denounce Avery.
assists are just as valuable as goals, no where did i ever say they arent. lets be honest his assists are not way up if he is on pace for 10 more than his previous career high, which lets also be honest would give him what 40 assists? while assists are important lets not act like hes gretzky out there. some guys are here to score goals. what grade would you give gaborik if he had 1 goal but played well defensively and had 15 assists? dubinsky is here to score goals the difference with avery is that he isnt here to score goals. something i dont think your understanding.
the point about avery is totally different. im not going to give a guy like prust an f if he finishes the year with 5 goals. dubinsky should be scoring more. plain and simple. its beyond dumb to say someone is a hypocrite when they give our leading goal scorer from last year an f because he is on pace for 4 this year. if avery scored 20 goals last year and was on pace for 4 this year he would get an f aswell. your getting worse by the post. im a hypocrite because dubi's production is way down and defended avery last year, because avery is here to challenge for 30 goals. terrible job.
edit: lets also not forget how avery isnt going offsides or taking penalties and dubinsky basically lived in the penalty box the first 10 games.
assists are just as valuable as goals, no where did i ever say they arent. lets be honest his assists are not way up if he is on pace for 10 more than his previous career high, which lets also be honest would give him what 40 assists? while assists are important lets not act like hes gretzky out there. some guys are here to score goals. what grade would you give gaborik if he had 1 goal but played well defensively and had 15 assists? dubinsky is here to score goals the difference with avery is that he isnt here to score goals. something i dont think your understanding.
the point about avery is totally different. im not going to give a guy like prust an f if he finishes the year with 5 goals. dubinsky should be scoring more. plain and simple. its beyond dumb to say someone is a hypocrite when they give our leading goal scorer from last year an f because he is on pace for 4 this year. if avery scored 20 goals last year and was on pace for 4 this year he would get an f aswell. your getting worse by the post. im a hypocrite because dubi's production is way down and defended avery last year, because avery is here to challenge for 30 goals. terrible job.
edit: lets also not forget how avery isnt going offsides or taking penalties and dubinsky basically lived in the penalty box the first 10 games.
First-- Yes, his assists are way up. He's on pace for 40 assists (and quite a few of the 11 he currently has have been both important and nice plays). Last season, only about 40 players put up 40 or more assists. 111 players put up 30 or more. Doing the former is significantly tougher than doing the latter.
Second-- Why bring up Gretzky and Gaborik? Dubinsky is not "here to score goals." He's here to be secondary scoring. When you argue using rhetoric like "our leading goalscorer from last year" it sounds like that's what Dubinsky should be, but our "leading goalscorer" had 24 goals last season. Dubinsky has NEVER been more than secondary scoring. He has always had significantly more assists than goals. If you were expecting him to come in and score like Gaborik, then it's no wonder you're disappointed.
Dubinsky is a 2nd line LW. The expectations should be 20 goals and 25-35 assists while also providing physical play, penalty killing and energy. He's done all of that, with the two exceptions I mentioned earlier--his goals/shooting are down, and his assists are up.
Your argument for Avery was that he was doing all the things he usually does, even though his goal-scoring was down. You were right. That said, don't get all pissy in the future when people just repeat "ONLY THREE GOALS, OMG HE SUCKS" at you, because you are using the same argument in this thread to trash a player who isn't your idol.
I agree mostly with BB but I have to give Eminger a higher grade than Woywitka.
Eh. My grade system is mostly based on expectations to go along with how they've played, which is why I gave Woywitka the grade I did. I thought he was going to be horrendous, but he's been a steady piece back there.
First-- Yes, his assists are way up. He's on pace for 40 assists (and quite a few of the 11 he currently has have been both important and nice plays). Last season, only about 40 players put up 40 or more assists. 111 players put up 30 or more. Doing the former is significantly tougher than doing the latter.
Second-- Why bring up Gretzky and Gaborik? Dubinsky is not "here to score goals." He's here to be secondary scoring. When you argue using rhetoric like "our leading goalscorer from last year" it sounds like that's what Dubinsky should be, but our "leading goalscorer" had 24 goals last season. Dubinsky has NEVER been more than secondary scoring. He has always had significantly more assists than goals. If you were expecting him to come in and score like Gaborik, then it's no wonder you're disappointed.
Dubinsky is a 2nd line LW. The expectations should be 20 goals and 25-35 assists while also providing physical play, penalty killing and energy. He's done all of that, with the two exceptions I mentioned earlier--his goals/shooting are down, and his assists are up.
Your argument for Avery was that he was doing all the things he usually does, even though his goal-scoring was down. You were right. That said, don't get all pissy in the future when people just repeat "ONLY THREE GOALS, OMG HE SUCKS" at you, because you are using the same argument in this thread to trash a player who isn't your idol.
oh so dubinsky must be your idol then right? because your defending him, must be.
your're reaching very far to defend dubi when you have to add they were important assists and nice plays. ugh that point stinks. the plays could be ugly as **** for all i care. and i dont want him to be our leading goal scorer, but that is what he was last year, making his play this year all the more noticable.
stop with the assists argument. nobody is going to say dubi had a good year if he finishes with 4 goals and 40 assists. yes assists are important, but your getting too excited about this. its not impossible a) for him to score 30 goals (as evidence last year) and b) still get 40 assists.
again your failure to understand the difference between avery scoring 3 goals and 21 assists and dubi on pace to score 4 and 40 assists makes me sick. 2 different players and which one do you think torts is relying on to score 20 goals? it isnt avery. before you try bringing this point up again try and remember i was defending a 4th liner in a limited role with almost no minutes and your defending last years leading goal scorer with "he is on pace for a career high in assists". which is 10 more. hardly a number to be jumping up and down about.
), everyone else gets an A.
