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12-09-2011, 04:57 PM
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the Problem with Stafford is...

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Mine? Isn't it obvious? Derek Roy is the problem.

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12-09-2011, 05:17 PM
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...So ROY is making him miss all the awesome opportunities hes had this year? I'd LOVE to see a fact to back that up.

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...He isn't producing.

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12-09-2011, 05:26 PM
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Career Shooting%: 12.6%

2011-12 Shooting%: 7.1%

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But glad we started yet another bag-on-Roy thread. We don't have enough of that around here.

Amount of goals on December 9, 2010: 5

Amount of goals on December 9, 2011: 5

Sure glad we've already given up hope for him this season.

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it is because he is american.


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12-09-2011, 05:30 PM
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Career Shooting%: 12.6%

2011-12 Shooting%: 7.1%

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But glad we started yet another bag-on-Roy thread. We don't have enough of that around here.

Amount of goals on December 9, 2010: 5

Amount of goals on December 9, 2011: 5

Sure glad we've already given up hope for him this season.


Stop bringing facts and stats into this here conversation! Logic has no place here!


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12-09-2011, 05:31 PM
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The problem with Stafford is Vanek, we should bench them both.

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12-09-2011, 05:33 PM
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he is a powerless forward


he has the size and capability to go to the front of the net and score dirty goals but lacks the desire or heart do do so

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12-09-2011, 05:37 PM
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he has the size and capability to go to the front of the net and score dirty goals but lacks the desire or heart do do so
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Amount of goals on December 9, 2010: 5

Amount of goals on December 9, 2011: 5
Amount of games played on December 9, 2010: 15

Amount of games played on December 9, 2011: 26

Stafford had 14 goals in his first 26 games last season.

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12-09-2011, 05:43 PM
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It's clearly Roy's fault.

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Right now, lack of burying point blank chances (shots not on goal) plus a regression in his shooting percentage that will increase over time.

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Maybe he should switch to room temp yoga

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Amount of games played on December 9, 2010: 15

Amount of games played on December 9, 2011: 26

Stafford had 14 goals in his first 26 games last season.
So you'd complain if he scored 26 goals from now until the end of the season?

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12-09-2011, 05:58 PM
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Career Shooting%: 12.6%

2011-12 Shooting%: 7.1%


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But glad we started yet another bag-on-Roy thread. We don't have enough of that around here.

Amount of goals on December 9, 2010: 5

Amount of goals on December 9, 2011: 5

Sure glad we've already given up hope for him this season.
You continually quote those numbers as if to say his current shooting % is an aberation and that Stafford doesn't have full seasons like this. Yet the facts are that in 09-10 he finished the year with a 7.7% shooting percentage. So yes its possible for him to continue the rest of this year and not get anywhere near his 12% average and possbly not end up much higher than where he is now.

His season last year was a break from Stafford's year to to year drop in shooting percentage. He had the high of 19.4% when he was called up to replace Max during the 06-07 season. The next 3 years as a regular out of camp it was; 15.5%, 10.9% and then 7.7%. He had an incredible season last year at 17.3% and now he is at 7.1%.

If nothing else Stafford's shooting percentage is pretty unpredictable and his 12.6% career number gives you little help with what to expect.


As for his struggles, I think having Ennis back will do wonders for him. They had great chemistry last season. I was hoping they were going to build on it this year but line juggling due to Leino and injuries prevented that from happening. I feel a sustained breakout coming from that line


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12-09-2011, 06:02 PM
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You continually quote those numbers as if to say his current shooting % is an aberation and that Stafford doesn't have full seasons like this. Yet the facts are that in 09-10 he finished the year with a 7.7% shooting percentage. So yes its possible for him to continue the rest of this year and not get anywhere near his 12% average and possbly not end up much higher than where he is now.

His season last year was a break with a year to to year drop in shooting percentage for Stafford. He had the high of 19.4% when he was called up to replace Max during the 06-07 season. The next 3 years as a regualr out of camp it was; 15.5%, 10.9% and then 7.7%. He had an incredible season last year at 17.3% and now he is at 7.1%.

If nothing else Stafford's shooting percentage is pretty unpredictable and his 12.6% career number gives you little help with what to expect.


As for his struggles, I think ahving Ennis back will do wonders for him. Thaey had great chemostry last season. I was hoping they were going to build on it this year but line juggling and injuries prevented that from happeneing. I feel a breakout coming from that line
Show me where I said it's an automatic that he'd get back to his career shooting percentage. Someone asked what was wrong with Stafford--presumably relative to last year--and part of the answer is that his shooting percentage is far different than last year. And it's not from lack of chances. The guy's getting them in spades, but he can't finish right now.

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So you'd complain if he scored 26 goals from now until the end of the season?
Pointing out facts about Stafford ≠ complaining about Stafford.

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Gragnani is the problem, he is the cause of all evil.

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It's depressing that some people around here are close to starting to blame Roy for all our injuries too.
What do you mean? It's his fault Gerbe got boarded!

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Show me where I said it's an automatic that he'd get back to his career shooting percentage. Someone asked what was wrong with Stafford--presumably relative to last year--and part of the answer is that his shooting percentage is far different than last year. And it's not from lack of chances. The guy's getting them in spades, but he can't finish right now.
I find it hard to believe you werent implying his current shooting percetage is an aberration by pointing out his career number.


I've argued in other threads that part of his problem is he is getting too cute in prime scoring areas. Much of this season it was Stafford himself that reduced the quality of his scoring chances by being too cute. He had a ton of success last year because he was taking the shot or crashing the net when those opportunities presented themselves. He has gotten back to this in recent games and hopefully it continues. If it does he will definately snap out of his scoring slump.

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It's depressing that some people around here are close to starting to blame Roy for all our injuries too.
actually he is responsible for the injuries to the Bill's players.

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Stop bringing facts and stats into this here conversation! Logic has no place here!

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Stop bringing facts and stats into this here conversation! Logic has no place here!
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I find it hard to believe you werent implying his current shooting percetage is an aberration by pointing out his career number.
Not an aberration. Just significantly lower than his career shooting percentage. Prior to this season, he's had an outlier in both directions. If he continues getting the chances from the areas he's getting them, he should be fine--he just needs to finish.


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I've argued in other threads that part of his problem is he is getting too cute in prime scoring areas. Much of this season it was Stafford himself that reduced the quality of his scoring chances by being too cute. He had a ton of success last year because he was taking the shot or crashing the net when those opportunities presented themselves. He has gotten back to this in recent games and hopefully it continues. If it does he will definately snap out of his scoring slump.
And we disagreed then, too. I think he's getting chances, he's just missing them. I've seen him go to the net somewhat frequently. We're deluding ourselves if we believe opponents aren't trying to take that move from him--they get paid, too. I think he's been fairly snakebitten this season. If he keeps taking 2.5-2.75 shots per game, I think we'll see him finish in the 22-26 goal range. Given his PK ability, I'd say that he would've earned his contract if he can get to that number.

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