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12-18-2011, 11:30 AM
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Proving a negative? I'm not asking you to prove a negative.
Then what did "Please feel free to post actual examples that they didn't" mean?

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I'm asking you to come up with the evidence to support your claim that they played less than 30 minutes a game on average.
I've provided several reasons to suggest that they probably didn't. It's not just the estimate itself - look at the numbers of the other forwards on these teams, which if the top players were playing half the games, leaves only half the game for the other two-plus lines. Now look at their scoring stats. Are you comfortable with claiming that Bobby Hull's per-minute production was barely above that of Eric Nesterenko? Even though Hull got most or all of the PP time? This is the trouble with making a claim about one player's ice time, without considering his team.

The numbers just don't make sense if Hull was playing 30 minutes per game. So if you want to advance that claim, you need to explain why the other numbers look the way they do.

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The claim in this case is based on contemporary articles, quotations and the memories of those who played with, and saw these players play first hand.

You cite them for having faulty memory
No, I don't cite them for having a faulty memory. I cite the fact that human memory (everyone's memory) is faulty by definition. Memory is not a tape recorder - it reconstructs memories when we want to recall them.

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and then offer up an estimate as "proof". My issue is that, however reasonable the estimate, it is - by definition - fallible too.
No kidding. It's not offered as proof. It's offered as something that needs to be explained if you want to claim 30 minutes. You need to explain the numbers - which were recorded at the time and not merely estimated or remembered - if you want that claim to stand up. Not just the estimate itself, but the numbers upon which the estimate is based.

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I get that you have more faith in the numbers, but how can you not understand that someone who watched the actual games in question would have more faith in their memory - even if both are faulty in their own ways?
The numbers are the only facts we have from that time. And I don't mean my ice time estimate - I mean the player's raw stats, their points, their goals for and against, etc. These were recorded at the time, they're the only things that were actually recorded at the time. They're not guesses or memories - they're facts. And they do not fit with having the top players play 30 minutes per game.

I also know that people have faith in their memories. Most people do. However studies of memory demonstrate that even people who are sure about what they remember are often quite wrong. This is why we write important things down.

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Yes I know you use "probably" and "should" an awful lot.
You should probably try it. It saves a lot of trouble when you make a guess and it looks like you're stating a fact.

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Being as this is a history board I would have thought that it was implied we were doing the best we could with what we have. In this case, that may in fact be your estimate, I just take issue with the double standard you feel free to apply by adding a "probably" here and there in your own posts.
It seems I'm the only one comfortable with adding a probably for clarity. Others seem fine with making unqualified claims and expecting us to accept them as truth.

And you're happy to interpret their posts as including an implicit "probably", but then you interpret my post, which includes an explicit "probably", as a claim of absolute truth. You're showing your bias there.

I make no claims of gospel or absolute truth, and yet you read that in my posts. That strongly suggests you are not reading my posts fairly.

I had more to say on your post, but at this point it's clear that you're only going to see what you want to see in what I write, so there's little point in continuing this discussion.

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12-18-2011, 02:06 PM
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As I recall, Gretzky was on the ice for about 60 mins (or close to it) in game 2 against Russia in the 87 Canada Cup. Keenan double and triple shifted him the entire game, which went to two or three overtimes. He was exhausted to the point of peeing his pants at one point, and finished with 5 assists, including the O.T. winner.

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Please feel free to post actual examples, preferably ones that don't use vague language and nice round numbers.
My memory is that someone actually took a stopwatch to time Howe's time on ice. But it's not worth it to me to take the time to try to find it, even if I had the resources to do so.

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Found an interesting tidbit from the 64-65 season regarding Hull:

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Also disclosed in a flood of figures unleashed by NHL statistician Ron Andrews were the following:
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- Hull was on the ice for 98 of Chicago's 158 goals, almost two-thirds, and was present for each of the team's 29 PP tallies.
Regarding actual time on ice figures here is one that I found from when Hull was chasing the goal scoring record so take it for what it is worth:

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Hull was on the ice for 33 minutes 15 seconds, Bathgate for 34:02.

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Found an interesting tidbit from the 64-65 season regarding Hull:

"- Hull was on the ice for 98 of Chicago's 158 goals, almost two-thirds, and was present for each of the team's 29 PP tallies."
If subtracting PP numbers from total numbers, he ends up with:
on ice for 69 ES+SH GF out of 129. That's 53.49 %, right? One may then assume his team scored at higher pace when he was on the ice, so maybe he played less then 50 % during ES(+SH?). I don't have his SH numbers where I am now.
Well, I suppose guys like Overpass and Iain have more sophisticated methords for this than my easy example above.

I haven't read the thread close enough to take sides. I just have a tendency to start calculating on things like this.

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I've been able to find that Pavel Bure played 40:12 in a 3-3 tie against San Jose in 2001.
he played an awful lot that season, 26:52 in average in 82 games, it probably wasn't too good for his already battered knees

that's the season he scored 92 points and the second best on the team scored 37

panthers depth that year was glorious, it was basically play bure or marcus nilson ... so what do you do?

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Here are from regular seasons 2002-03 to 2010-11. Notice that 2002 means 2002-03, as that is the way my main source in this case (Hockey Summary Project) has it.

Defencemen and forwards separated.

Total icetime during a single game:

SeasGameNrhvTeamshirtnrposiNameGDTOIminTOIsecShiftsPPtoiMinPPtoiSecSHtoiMinSHtoiSecEStoiMinEStoiSec
200220020020HNYI3DADRIAN AUCOIN04051251230812209
200220020048VNYI3DADRIAN AUCOIN138213322214422117
200520051125VOTT14DAndrej Meszaros0374736129352710
200320030444VDAL56DSERGEI ZUBOV13743711324332059
200720070938HTBL22DDan Boyle0373281054302228
200220020435HFLO44DSANDIS OZOLINSH137230527272433
200520050504VTBL22DDan Boyle03635299260192650
200620060629VNJD28DBrian Rafalski1361129521045305
200220020979VNYI3DADRIAN AUCOIN036935259442420
200220020480HDET5DNICKLAS LIDSTROM0369341323233114
200220020772HDET5DNICKLAS LIDSTROM-23558357226112225
200520051051HTBL13DPavel Kubina0355732827125265
200520051125VOTT2DBrian Pothier13555363176452553
200620060642VANA27DScott Niedermayer-13551345465492416
200720070596VFLO4DJay Bouwmeester1354834244752559
200820081002HANA25DChris Pronger035433210197381746
200220020726VNYI29DKENNY JONSSON03541333284542719

SeasGameNrhvTeamshirtnrposiNameGDTOIminTOIsecShiftsPPtoiMinPPtoiSecSHtoiMinSHtoiSecEStoiMinEStoiSec
200320030408VPIT12LRYAN MALONE-2341536573222546
200320031208HATL17LILYA KOVALCHUK0345256310472647
200320030408VPIT20CMIKE EASTWOOD-23352372455172550
200520050599VMTL37RNiklas Sundstrom-2322620000533133
200320030716HATL17LILYA KOVALCHUK03126321132311653
200220020551HPIT27RAlex Kovalev-231202513150181747
200720070425HTBL19CBrad Richards-13110309297241417
200620060960VTBL19CBrad Richards-231634826331631
200720070510HSJS19CJoe Thornton-1311311391211631
200620060901HTBL19CBrad Richards030322811391191734
200320030911HWAS20CROBERT LANG23024281142371643
200720070442VTBL19CBrad Richards-1301625852181953
200320031033HATL17LILYA KOVALCHUK-13012259240332015
200220020435HFLO25CVIKTOR KOZLOV-1301031456461919
200720070351HWAS8LAlex Ovechkin130924933002036
200220020499VEDM26CTODD MARCHANT1309288584281643
200220020001VNYR20RRADEK DVORAK1307261056011910

Power play:

SeasGameNrhvTeamshirtnrposiNameGDTOIminTOIsecShiftsPPtoiMinPPtoiSecSHtoiMinSHtoiSecEStoiMinEStoiSec
200520050129VBOS22DBrian Leetch-133183017160331529
200520050133VCHI6DJaroslav Spacek-2224917155802649
200220020674VNAS5DANDY DELMORE1211819155800520
200720070397HATL39DTobias Enstrom0293724154355183
200520050917HTOR24DBryan McCabe1315328154239132
200520050007VPIT55DSergei Gonchar02623281513349721
200520050917HTOR15DTomas Kaberle13051281511238132
200220020799VFLO4DJAY BOUWMEESTER02540281511110919
200620060314HPIT55DSergei Gonchar02728261455129114
200620060112HPIT55DSergei Gonchar026621145414108
200220020799VFLO34DMATHIEU BIRON02424261450110824
200720070080HANA23DFrancois Beauchemin13445221445821158
200520050784HANA23DFrancois Beauchemin-131452514382561411
200520050126HLAK17DLubomir Visnovsky-1281123143743490
200320030958HNAS3DMAREK ZIDLICKY0254020143700113

SeasGameNrhvTeamshirtnrposiNameGDTOIminTOIsecShiftsPPtoiMinPPtoiSecSHtoiMinSHtoiSecEStoiMinEStoiSec
200520050318VATL17LIlya Kovalchuk129521205014846
200620060171HATL17LIlya Kovalchuk-129372416350321230
200620060397VATL17LIlya Kovalchuk1306271553001413
200520050291VATL17LIlya Kovalchuk02827231548001239
200720070397HATL17LIlya Kovalchuk027212415400201121
200320030870VATL17LILYA KOVALCHUK-228242615250321227
200520050130VATL17LIlya Kovalchuk0275625159001247
200320030780VOTT11RDANIEL ALFREDSSON025242615711295
200520050638HATL17LIlya Kovalchuk12848271550101333
200620060487VNAS9LPaul Kariya02831261453001338
200220020616HVAN44LTODD BERTUZZI-12453261438001015
201020100029HSTL20CAlex Steen02515211424001051
200520050735VWAS8LAlex Ovechkin023262014190592
200320031093VBUF81RMIROSLAV SATAN026182714171301031
200520050998HATL17LIlya Kovalchuk029112214700154
200320030058HATL17LILYA KOVALCHUK0261529144001211
200220020007HPIT27RAlex Kovalev-2253023140001130
200220020616HVAN7CBRENDAN MORRISON0230281354113753
200820080805HBUF9CDerek Roy027522813503301032

Short handed:

SeasGameNrhvTeamshirtnrposiNameGDTOIminTOIsecShiftsPPtoiMinPPtoiSecSHtoiMinSHtoiSecEStoiMinEStoiSec
200220020532HNYI3DADRIAN AUCOIN232202210331456651
200220020048VNYI3DADRIAN AUCOIN138213322214422117
200520050426VOTT4DChris Phillips-1242928021323114
200720070490VTOR25DHal Gill-12858220113161541
200520050426VOTT3DZdeno Chara-132513164613121253
200520050036HEDM44DChris Pronger1303734812137918
200520050942VNAS44DKimmo Timonen125543223512551024
200220020080HDET5DNICKLAS LIDSTROM33292784412531032
200520050129HTOR24DBryan McCabe-13393352212521455
200220021024VDET5DNICKLAS LIDSTROM-128272324112491257
200820081187VNYI24DRadek Martinek-12718250012321446
200220020080HDET24DCHRIS CHELIOS227282932112271140
200720071208VEDM24DSteve Staios027532605012271436
200320031093HATL2DGARNET EXELBY026323901812221352

SeasGameNrhvTeamshirtnrposiNameGDTOIminTOIsecShiftsPPtoiMinPPtoiSecSHtoiMinSHtoiSecEStoiMinEStoiSec
200320031093HATL19RSHAWN MCEACHERN-123133327123731
200720070441VPIT11CJordan Staal02222260011391043
200520050417HCBS9RDavid Vyborny0274332691135959
200520050064VNAS18RAdam Hall0193225081135749
200520050900VMTL14CRadek Bonk-120426111123740
200520050007HNJD11CJohn Madden017122061118537
200320031093HATL27CPATRIK STEFAN-2232432081112124
200720070441VPIT18RAdam Hall-1201270011190
200520050900VMTL22CSteve Begin-1183625111053642
200720070016VANA22CTodd Marchant01851290201047744
200220020532HNYI27CMICHAEL PECA22249327191043447
200520050417HCBS91CSergei Fedorov0262833691043936
200620060171VCAR17CRod Brindamour3245283331040952
200520050282HANA26CSamuel Pahlsson-12023210131040930
200520050067HATL11RJ.P. Vigier-2191261161031714
200720070484HANA26CSamuel Pahlsson02221300510311145

Even Strength:

SeasGameNrhvTeamshirtnrposiNameGDTOIminTOIsecShiftsPPtoiMinPPtoiSecSHtoiMinSHtoiSecEStoiMinEStoiSec
200220020115HFLO44DSANDIS OZOLINSH-132473600003247
201020101070HMIN8DBrent Burns0332437141003143
200220020480HDET5DNICKLAS LIDSTROM0369341323233114
200220020785HDET5DNICKLAS LIDSTROM130373100003037
200320030458VWAS55DSERGEI GONCHAR0341740356003021
201020101005VCHI2DDuncan Keith-134323519317306
200620060629VNJD28DBrian Rafalski1361129521045305
201020100968VPIT7DPaul Martin-1352632332149305
200620060591HNJD29DJohnny Oduya031229124002938
200220020889HTBL22DDAN BOYLE13323351362102937
200820080038HCHI2DDuncan Keith0312531152052928
200720070863VWAS52DMike Green233733360342927

SeasGameNrhvTeamshirtnrposiNameGDTOIminTOIsecShiftsPPtoiMinPPtoiSecSHtoiMinSHtoiSecEStoiMinEStoiSec
200520050599VMTL37RNiklas Sundstrom-2322620000533133
200320030316HFLO12COLLI JOKINEN22855351280122715
200320031208HATL17LILYA KOVALCHUK0345256310472647
200320030798VATL39RJean-Luc Grand-Pierre-1270320100142636
200220020115VWAS68RJAROMIR JAGR126142200002614
201020100920VNJD17LIlya Kovalchuk12745321300202555
200320030408VPIT20CMIKE EASTWOOD-23352372455172550
200320030408VPIT12LRYAN MALONE-2341536573222546
200920091157VCHI33RDustin Byfuglien025382800002538
201020101215VNJD17LIlya Kovalchuk-125303000002530
200320030408VPIT8RMATT BRADLEY-1285830238119251
200220020931HBOS27RGLEN MURRAY0283530157137251
200220020931HBOS19CJOE THORNTON02741291570512453
201020100410VANA15CRyan Getzlaf-12941392122382451

For more details from the games in question, visit nhl.com and select a gamebox. Then change the URL to point to the gamenumber listed above.

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he played an awful lot that season, 26:52 in average in 82 games, it probably wasn't too good for his already battered knees

that's the season he scored 92 points and the second best on the team scored 37

panthers depth that year was glorious, it was basically play bure or marcus nilson ... so what do you do?
And yet at least some of Bure's teammates were happy to see him leave the following season

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And yet at least some of Bure's teammates were happy to see him leave the following season
yeah trevor kidd probably was happy, as bure stole all his ice time

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Here are some extreme icetimes (40+ minutes even for a forward) from an Anaheim game in 1998:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/boxscore.htm?id=1998020720
http://www.hockey-reference.com/boxs...901270MDA.html

Some even higher ones from a Vancouver game in 1998:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/boxscore.htm?id=1998020612
http://www.hockey-reference.com/boxs...902130VAN.html

The above numbers seem unrealistically high, so I assume they are incorrect.

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The above numbers seem unrealistically high, so I assume they are incorrect.
I only checked the first one, but it's mathematically impossible unless the Canucks used a rover that game, and also got away with a great number of too many men situations.

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If we include playoff games, I believe the record for most ice time from a forward (since the stat was officially tracked) was from the infamous quintuple-overtime Philadelphia-Pittsburgh game in 2000. Hard to believe that was over 11 years ago already! Jagr played 59:08.

The record for a defenseman (again, as far as I can tell) was from another quintuple overtime, Dallas-Anaheim in 2003. Zubov played 63:51!

Zubov has played in three of the four longest overtime games of the modern era; during those games he played 64 minutes (Dallas-Anaheim in 2003), 55 minutes (Dallas-Vancouver in 2007), and 54 minutes (Dallas-San Jose in 2008)
Ryan Whitney played 50:46 in game 5 of the 2008 Cup Final

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Player Year Month Day Total
Sergei Zubov 2003 04 24 63.85
Derian Hatcher 2003 04 24 62.03
Dan McGillis 2000 05 04 61.08
Luke Richardson 2000 05 04 59.85
Jaromir Jagr 2000 05 04 59.13
Brian Campbell 2008 05 04 56.38
Keith Carney 2003 04 24 56.33
Eric Desjardins 2000 05 04 56.13
Alex Kovalev 2000 05 04 55.78
Mike Modano 2003 04 24 55.48
List from all playoff games since 2000. Bolded players are forwards

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If we look internationally I think Salming might have the record. I'll see if theres an estimated TOI for him later but there was a game late in his career where he played ALOT.

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