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03-02-2012, 07:59 PM
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Is it reasonable to believe that some grand conspirator had another sample, did a double switch/messed with the sample, copied Braun's signature and the other 2 tamper proof seals OR is it reasonable to believe that Braun just simply failed the test but got let off the hook because of a technicality?
Why did the guy drive past 2 open shipping places to drive to one that is already closed? A technicality, yes, but the MLBPA also stated that his test was, I believe, 3 times higher than any other test ever. There are a lot of weird, fishy details in this story.

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03-02-2012, 08:17 PM
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Tell me, why was Braun's defense able to replicate the insanely high testosterone level during the arbitration hearing? Why was it held for 44 hours in a basement that the collector says was sufficiently cool. Unless there's a fridge in the guy's basement, it's not sufficiently cool. Why does the drug agreement say the sample must be dropped off at Fed Ex barring unforseen circumstances (like severe weather) not because it was a Saturday afternoon and the guy thought they were all closed.

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03-02-2012, 08:26 PM
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Tell me, why was Braun's defense able to replicate the insanely high testosterone level during the arbitration hearing?
Did anyone report this besides Will Carroll? He gave zero explanation.

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03-02-2012, 08:42 PM
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Why did the guy drive past 2 open shipping places to drive to one that is already closed?
That's not what happened. He didn't go to any FedEx. He knew it was too late for the sample to ship, and, according to him, collectors have been instructed to safeguard samples until they can be shipped.

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03-02-2012, 09:02 PM
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Did anyone report this besides Will Carroll? He gave zero explanation.
I would trust Will Carroll over any other media member on this subject. Fact is we're all speculating here and the other fact is nobody should have ever known about this.

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03-02-2012, 10:08 PM
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That's not what happened. He didn't go to any FedEx. He knew it was too late for the sample to ship, and, according to him, collectors have been instructed to safeguard samples until they can be shipped.
It's Braun's word against his. There are too many variables and unknowns in this situation for me to believe one or the other.

The test was, and should have been, thrown out. I'll give Braun the benefit of the doubt here. He will be tested many times more in his career, and MLB will be keeping close tabs on him. If he is proven to have used PHD's in the future, I'll believe he used them this time.

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03-02-2012, 11:09 PM
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That cool that you and some others are kind enough to give Braun the benefit of the doubt. It's your privilege to do so.

It's also mine and others to believe otherwise and will look at this as a black eye for him that may never go away.

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Fact is we're all speculating here and the other fact is nobody should have ever known about this.
just like nobody should have found out the names from the mitchell report. or read bonds' grand jury testimony.

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I would trust Will Carroll over any other media member on this subject. Fact is we're all speculating here and the other fact is nobody should have ever known about this.
Odd that no one else would mention it when Carroll said it was the actual reason Braun won his case. Since he's given absolutely no details, I don't see how he deserves any benefit of the doubt. By all other reports, the chain of custody technicality was the reason Braun won. Has Braun himself even mentioned the test replication? Pretty weird he hasn't if that was his main defense.

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03-03-2012, 04:27 PM
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It's Braun's word against his.
No it isn't. It's Braun's interpretation of the rules against his. Two of the arbitrators sided with Braun. That's it.

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03-03-2012, 04:35 PM
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No it isn't. It's Braun's interpretation of the rules against his. Two of the arbitrators sided with Braun. That's it.
That is what it came to, the rules vs the test. But the variables and facts are all skewed because the guy didn't follow protocol. The only one who knows what he did was the collector, and he will never admit fault.

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03-03-2012, 04:36 PM
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That cool that you and some others are kind enough to give Braun the benefit of the doubt. It's your privilege to do so.

It's also mine and others to believe otherwise and will look at this as a black eye for him that may never go away.
It's good to have varying opinions and not feel the need to insult the other.

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03-08-2012, 09:45 PM
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Phoenix - After socking his first spring homer Thursday against Cincinnati -- which also was his first hit -- Ryan Braun was asked by visiting reporters what he hears from other players about his drug-test saga over the winter.

Braun says he gets support from players who he has told "the real story."

Braun was asked if the real story ever would be told -- giving him another chance to do so -- but all he said is "I highly doubt it. They're probably not going to know too much more than they know now."

"People are going to have different opinions," added Braun. "Most of them don't know the real story. It's tough sometime to base your opinion or fomulate a decision when you don't know what happened. Overall, everybody has been real supportive."

So, no new information on that front. As for the "real story," I guess we'll all have to wait to see if it ever comes out, from Braun or anyone else.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/142007943.html

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02-05-2013, 06:44 PM
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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ryan-br...235650670.html

Ruh-roh.

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Hah, Braun must have been ******** his pants when he saw the news about the other players, knowing his name would pop up soon as well

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Braun releases a statement.

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“During the course of preparing for my successful appeal last year, my attorneys, who were previously familiar with Tony Bosch, used him as a consultant. More specifically, he answered questions about T/E ratio and possibilities of tampering with samples.

“There was a dispute over compensation for Bosch’s work, which is why my lawyer and I are listed under ‘moneys owed’ and not on any other list.

“I have nothing to hide and have never had any other relationship with Bosch.

“I will fully cooperate with any inquiry into this matter.”

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02-05-2013, 08:34 PM
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I never believed him. He got off on a technicality, that's all.

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02-05-2013, 09:09 PM
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Clearly did it

Everyone does it though

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Bruan better get nailed this time.

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suspended for what? appearing on a list? no suspension, no proof he took anything?

hope you're not a lawyer.

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02-05-2013, 10:11 PM
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Bruan better get nailed this time.
I hope Braun nails many more home runs this season.

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I'm amazed people still find a way to be outraged by this stuff.

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I'm amazed people still find a way to be outraged by this stuff.
I didn't like how smug he acted. Don't really care about PEDs, but don't sit there at your press conference and act like your name is clear of any suspicions.

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I didn't like how smug he acted. Don't really care about PEDs, but don't sit there at your press conference and act like your name is clear of any suspicions.
absolutely.

all players should be suspended based on how "eytinge" feels about their smugness. derek jeter would receive an unprecedented suspension since his smugness leaves him no leg to stand on. what about miguel cabrera's sly smirk every time he hits a homerun? oh you better believe that's a suspension.

in fact, we should just let the players play who we think are clean. of course, any sign of a power surge like trevor plouffe? ****ing pompous dick! suspend him!

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