The problem with Klefbom in Sweden is, can we risk it?
I'd love him to go play in the SEL in play heavy minutes, but his current club, IIRC, is 7-8 SEL quality D deep. So in that sense, unless he's guaranteed lots of minutes, I'd rather bring him over to play some serious minutes.
I think the best play is for him to stay in Sweden another season and open room to develop the CHL guys in the AHL. He is playing top 4 minutes right now by the sounds of it, and played more than Brodin last game.
I want the Oilers to be patient not rush their prospects, but there might be an outside chance that Klefbom forces the issue for an NHL spot by next season. Being named a WJC all star, especially at 18, puts him in distinguished company and he has the toolbox.
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I assume Teubert will be full time bottom pairing next year in the NHL.
You may be right, but I think it would be a mistake by the Oilers. Teubert will likely play at least 40 NHL games even if he is 9th on the depth chart and starting the year in OKC. There is no reason to start him the NHL unless the Oilers want to get extremely exposed once the injuries hit and are playing a 20 year old Marincin for 40 games in the NHL.
I think all dman should play in the AHL until their ELC expires and have to pass through waivers, except real high-end guys like Klefbom perhaps. You need to be at least 9 dman deep to accommodate injuries. And having good prospects bubbling under, gaining pro experience, is a good way to ensure not only their proper development, but also that you have serviceable replacements ready when Whitney, Smid and Petry are all out for a couple weeks at the same time.
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Fedun could really use the ECHL to get back on track development wise.
Fedun was making a serious play for the 7th dman/first call up spot this past training camp until getting injured. I think he is definitely AHL quality, the only question is how big a blow that injury will be on his ability. I may be underselling the difficulty of his rehab, but I think he is above the ECHL and all of Marincin, Blain and Davidson on the AHL depth chart next year. At least I hope so.
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I donno... 4 AHL rookies on defense is quite a bit I think. I could see a guy like Blain or Davidson (or both) spending time in the ECHL
I agree. Too bad in a way, as I think both are AHL caliber prospects, but it should ensure a good AHL squad again next year as there will be solid depth when the injuries hit. Teubert started out in the ECHL with the Kings.
Signing Plante as one of the veterans seems like a good move. And wasn't Helmer signed last year to a 2 year AHL deal?
Plante-Teubert
Marincin-Helmer/AHL Vet
Blain-Fedun
Tupulov/Yeo-Davidson
This defensive depth is part of the reason I am not that big on the urgent need to trade for another prospect/young dman - they are coming and you can only develop so many at once. This team needs established NHL dman, and you do not get that for a rental but through shrewd UFA signings and bigger trades.
Fedun was making a serious play for the 7th dman/first call up spot this past training camp until getting injured. I think he is definitely AHL quality, the only question is how big a blow that injury will be on his ability. I may be underselling the difficulty of his rehab, but I think he is above the ECHL and all of Marincin, Blain and Davidson on the AHL depth chart next year. At least I hope so.
IMO Fedun was definitely making a name for himself , however it was very premature to say that he was going to be our 1st call-up. If healthy, I definitely see him as an AHL d-man though, too much skill and experience to be in the ECHL.
As for Blain and Davidson being in OKC next year, I don't believe that they will both be there. Maybe one of them. As our depth improves we will see some good prospects in Stockton, ie. Martindale.
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Blain,Davidson and Marancin will all be in OKC to start the year. They will be in and out of the lineup for the most part.
The Oilers should probably have Plante,Teubert,Fedun, and OKC will probably keep Helmer if he doesn't retire/coach. Yeo,Montgomery and Lowery will be on the bubble to be kept around so you might see 2 of those guys signed and sent down to the ECHL as call ups
There will be much teeth nashing done on these forums when you see Marancin,Davdison or Blain scratched as well
I assume Teubert will be full time bottom pairing next year in the NHL.
I hope not.
Right now, the Oilers have 6 defensemen either under contract for next year or RFAs who'll be re-signed this offseason (plus Barker who's also an RFA, but could be let go). All of whom would need to clear waivers to be sent to the minors, something that carries a lot of weight with this organization it seems.
If Teubert is a full-time NHL player for us next year, it would mean that either Tambellini didn't add a defenseman to the current group, or that we're once again down men due to injury.
The only way I can see him on a healthy Oiler team is if we trade a defenseman or two in a move that brings in an upgrade on D.
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I agree that Fedun was AHL calibre pre-injury, but it's going to be a tough road back.
Let him start slowly in the ECHL and see how that goes.
Honestly there is only one person that complains about guys being HS or sent to the ECHL. I doubt the Oilers plan on having 3 rookies sit in the pressbox for long stretches. They'll either send guys to the ECHL or look at assigning a d-man to another AHL team.
Right now, the Oilers have 6 defensemen either under contract for next year or RFAs who'll be re-signed this offseason (plus Barker who's also an RFA, but could be let go). All of whom would need to clear waivers to be sent to the minors, something that carries a lot of weight with this organization it seems.
If Teubert is a full-time NHL player for us next year, it would mean that either Tambellini didn't add a defenseman to the current group, or that we're once again down men due to injury.
The only way I can see him on a healthy Oiler team is if we trade a defenseman or two in a move that brings in an upgrade on D.
I'm not saying it's going to happen, but is it that far fetched that Teubert gains enough from now until the start of next year to become a 15 minute d-man?
I'm not saying it's going to happen, but is it that far fetched that Teubert gains enough from now until the start of next year to become a 15 minute d-man?
I think the point stands. If Teubert is on this team out of camp and not because of injuries, management didn't do their job in addressing their needs on defense. Teubert should be brought along slowly and only be available for spot duty at the very least to start the season. Teubert needs to be a guy in the minors that is going to push the guys on the big club for a spot and keep them in check during the season.
We are definately getting deep in the dman prospect pool. It will still take some of these guys 2 - 3 years before they are ready for the NHL. This is in line with the rebuild.
I think the point stands. If Teubert is on this team out of camp and not because of injuries, management didn't do their job in addressing their needs on defense. Teubert should be brought along slowly and only be available for spot duty at the very least to start the season. Teubert needs to be a guy in the minors that is going to push the guys on the big club for a spot and keep them in check during the season.
I can't agree with you. Every year there is someone that deserves a chance after what they did in training camp. I can't just say Teubert has to be in the AHL to start next year, if he makes that next step like Potter did this year then I don't see the issue.
I don't go ahead and give him a spot, but considering there was talk that he had a chance to make the team last year why wouldn't he have that chance again this year?
I can't agree with you. Every year there is someone that deserves a chance after what they did in training camp. I can't just say Teubert has to be in the AHL to start next year, if he makes that next step like Potter did this year then I don't see the issue.
I don't go ahead and give him a spot, but considering there was talk that he had a chance to make the team last year why wouldn't he have that chance again this year?
Sure give him that chance, but I'm saying if the team needs to address the defense for their NHL team that doesn't include Colton on it. If he earns it in training camp then great. Depth is a good thing.
Sure give him that chance, but I'm saying if the team needs to address the defense for their NHL team that doesn't include Colton on it. If he earns it in training camp then great. Depth is a good thing.
Sure we need to get some good bodies there. I was just referring to the whole it's the end of the world if he is on our opening night roster.
Sure we need to get some good bodies there. I was just referring to the whole it's the end of the world if he is on our opening night roster.
Yeah if he plays his way on, but I sure hope management doesn't plan for it to be that way or give him competition like Cory Cross to beat out for that spot.
Sure we need to get some good bodies there. I was just referring to the whole it's the end of the world if he is on our opening night roster.
I just think it is poor management decision if Teubert is on the opening night roster next season. It is about building your depth and maximizing waivers. If Teubert is the 1st call up in OKC, he will likely get at least 40-60 games (see Petry this season for example).
So Teubert seeing NHL time is not the issue. The issue is whether you are better off with guys further down the depth chart like Plante and Marincin seeing significant NHL time next year because you don't sign an NHL veteran to push Teubert down to the AHL to start.
This season is only 49 games old, and already 11 dman have suited up for the Oilers, with 9 different dman playing at least 10 games:
Starting Teubert in the AHL next year, and giving him a chance to grab an NHL spot through good performance are not mutually exclusive. He will get his chance even if he is not the first AHL call up!
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Yeah if he plays his way on, but I sure hope management doesn't plan for it to be that way or give him competition like Cory Cross to beat out for that spot.
Unfortunately, that seems to be exactly the approach this management team prefers - build your roster and depth on the assumption that most everyone stays healthy. Then, once the inevitable injuries occur you get terribly exposed on the ice because people who are not ready are being forced to play significant NHL time.
Just this last season, Tambelleni stated his plan was to leave the 7th spot open for competition between Potter, Petry and Chorney, and use it as an audition spot for them to get time at the NHL level. Of course, the fact is that those guys were going to get significant NHL time even if the Oiler's added another veteran NHL dman. Leaving that spot open just missed an easy opportunity to make the team better. Is that what Detroit does?
I hate to get too enthusiastic about players until they reach the next level but some of our mid/late round picks the last couple of years look like out right steals right now.
Marty Gernat 5th rounder, 2 assists and +4 tonight
Tobias Rieder 4th rounder, 1 goal and 1 assist tonight
Bunz 5th rounder gets his 28th win and has a .921
Right now, the Oilers have 6 defensemen either under contract for next year or RFAs who'll be re-signed this offseason (plus Barker who's also an RFA, but could be let go). All of whom would need to clear waivers to be sent to the minors, something that carries a lot of weight with this organization it seems.
If Teubert is a full-time NHL player for us next year, it would mean that either Tambellini didn't add a defenseman to the current group, or that we're once again down men due to injury.
The only way I can see him on a healthy Oiler team is if we trade a defenseman or two in a move that brings in an upgrade on D.
Sutton and Barker will be let go. Peckham traded. Petry and Teubert promoted to the NHL.
Thanks for the link. Nice read.
Rieder plays a very good season.
Perhaps I wasn' so wrong that henis a steal in the 4th round and has a realistic chance of being a Top 9 forward in the NHL.
