It sounds like he simply hit a wall.. (based on what Fourier said). Maybe that and scouts thought his 23 goals came from playing with those players?
Yeah, this is probably fair. Although he did look really good with Germany at the U18 last summer. They didn't have anyone close to Landeskog or Murphy.
I hope the Rieder skating thing keeps getting brought up on this board, like the whole Rangers and Al Montoya thing.
Something doesn't add up with Reider. Size isn't and issue, skill isn't an issue, speed isn't an issue, attitude isn't an issue, so what the **** is the issue that lead him to be a 4th rounder?
Add that he played with Ryan Murphy and Landeskog last year and you can't tell me scouts never watched this kid.
He played with Murphy and Landeskog in the sense that they were on the same team. Otherwise not so much.
He has grown a fair bit in the last year. So he was on the smaller side going into his draft year. He also played more of a secondary role on the Rangers.
But the big issue was probably that after a fairly fast start his production really dropped off in the last part of the year. Being from Germany, and in his first year in NA, the guy was in a perfect position to fall given how his year went. He had 9 goals and 21 points at the end of October and had 23 goals and 49 pts all year with 2 goals and 3 pts in the month of March.
He played with Murphy and Landeskog in the sense that they were on the same team. Otherwise not so much.
He has grown a fair bit in the last year. So he was on the smaller side going into his draft year. He also played more of a secondary role on the Rangers.
But the big issue was probably that after a fairly fast start his production really dropped off in the last part of the year. Bieng from Germany, and in his first year in NA, the guy was in a perfect position to fall given how his year went. He had 9 goals and 21 points at the end of October and had 23 goals and 49 pts all year with 2 goals and 3 pts in the month of March.
That's what I meant. More that he wasn't playing on some team that scouts never bothered to watch.
Pelss was also 1st star, which I tend to put some weight into.
Great night for the kids.
I thought this guy was an after thought as a prospect but he has done some great things in the latter part of the year. He seems to score big goals and I noted he has scored a few short handed goals lately. If he can penalty kill at a high level he has a possible future.
Rieder was thought of as a possible first round selection before his draft year and even in the early stages of the season.
He was ranked 6th in the OHL in the preliminary rankings as well, ahead of guys like Murphy, Jensen, Scheifele and a few others: http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=65880
I think it really had to do with falling completely off the map during the second half of the season and coming from a country that isn't known for developing scoring wingers. The same happened to fellow German Tom Kühnhackl a year earlier. He had an outside shot at the first round, more of early to mid second round at the start of his draftyear. Then he had some injuries and didn't improve on his prior season and he went down all the way to the fourth round as well. Then he went to the OHL and was lights out after a rough start, scoring 39 goals and leading the league in playoff-scoring until his team lost in the semis.
Doubt can cost you a lot of draft spots, and that is amplified if you are coming from a place that isn't known for its huge success in developing players. See Kopitar to a lesser extend. In Rieder's case, his tailing off after not even half a season wasn't going to end well when it comes to draft-position.
Its not easy to scout in germany too.
The german junior league called Schülerbundesliga is very weak.
Some guys puts up unreal numbers there.
Rieder for example had 177 points in 34 games.
So the question is what to think of guy who puts up unreal
numbers in a weak leauge...comes to canada has a great start there...and sucks completly in the 2nd half of the season.
We have a guy now who had 192 points in 29 games in this league im exited what happen with him in the draft. Hope there are some scouts who watch him.
Well, it's not like Rieder move from the Schüler-Bundesliga directly to the OHL. Rieder moved to the next level three years before his draft.
He was a good scorer in the DNL a year later and then moved up the ladder quite a bit by playing senior hockey as a 16/17 year old, putting up 23 points in 45 games. The only players of the recent past who managed any kind of significant output in 1st or 2nd tier leagues at that age were Marco Sturm, Jochen Hecht, Marcel Goc and Tom Kühnhackl. At that point, Kühnhackl had just been drafted, while the other three were the only German forwards who ever made it to what you can really call an NHL-career.
While you can pretty much forget about drawing any kind of conclusions about a prospect playing DNL or younger, a kid who produces in a men's league shouldn't go unnoticed to the scouts.
It is nice to know that Rieder has good skating skills. I am hoping that he develops into a nice top 6 winger that we can say we drafted in middle of the draft.
Is he ready to go to the AHL or does he have one more year in the CHL
It is nice to know that Rieder has good skating skills. I am hoping that he develops into a nice top 6 winger that we can say we drafted in middle of the draft.
Is he ready to go to the AHL or does he have one more year in the CHL
He has one more year in the OHL before he's eligible for the AHL.
I would encourage everyone to temper their expectations and excitement. He could be a player, but there is an equal chance he could be a player of the Slava Trukhno ilk.
I would encourage everyone to temper their expectations and excitement. He could be a player, but there is an equal chance he could be a player of the Slava Trukhno ilk.
I have no problem with tempered expectations. And of course Rieder is a long way from a role in the top 6 of an NHL team. But his situation is very different from that of Trukhno.
Trukhno had size and talent but the question with him was did he have the drive to make the most of it. It seems in the end the answer was probably no.
Given equal skill comparing what a player has between his ears and the heart he shows will go a long way to determining who will succeed and who will not. At this point Rieder has shown that he wants very much to be an NHL'er and he is by all accounts a leader.
Trukhno had size and talent but the question with him was did he have the drive to make the most of it. It seems in the end the answer was probably no.
That, and Trukhno's skating was a problem for him that he never was able to fix. Even at the AHL level his skating was average, and that's being very generous.
It would appear that while he's no Cogliano, Rieder's skating isn't something that will need a major overhaul to make it so that it's not a liability to a pro career. For a young player like him, that's a big deal.
<-- Credit goes to The Nemesis.
