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12-13-2011, 06:23 AM
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How Much of a Hockey Town is Buffalo?

What's up fellas. I have my internship in sport management coming up next fall. One of my cousins used to play for the Buffalo Bills in the early 90's and is still involved in the organization, so I was thinking about giving him a call and seeing if there are any internships available with the Bills. However, I would really like to get into a career with hockey - either coaching kids or front office type stuff. I currently live in Kansas so there isn't a huge hockey fan base here, and I want to live somewhere where people are passionate about hockey. I'm not asking if Buffalo is more of a football or hockey town, I would just like to know how much people actually care about hockey in Buffalo. Not just the Sabres either, but youth hockey too. The internship with the Bills will simply be a foot in the door, and if I end up getting a full-time job with them I'll be more than happy with that, as I love football too. But hockey is my first choice, and I want to live in a city that cares about it.

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In a nutshell?

Hockey is life around here.

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Just putting it out there, but western new york is excluded in the state hockey tournaments because it is unfair to the rest of the state, then the top teams from the rest of the state come play us. WNY is a great hockey town. You will rarely see kids playing football in their yards but you see lots of street hockey. You go out on a sabres game day, and rarely fail to see a sabres jersey. People always wearing sabres shirts and hats and cars with sabres flags. This is a huge, passionate hockey town. Unfortunatly that gets hidden a bit by the football fans.

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What's up fellas. I have my internship in sport management coming up next fall. One of my cousins used to play for the Buffalo Bills in the early 90's and is still involved in the organization, so I was thinking about giving him a call and seeing if there are any internships available with the Bills. However, I would really like to get into a career with hockey - either coaching kids or front office type stuff. I currently live in Kansas so there isn't a huge hockey fan base here, and I want to live somewhere where people are passionate about hockey. I'm not asking if Buffalo is more of a football or hockey town, I would just like to know how much people actually care about hockey in Buffalo. Not just the Sabres either, but youth hockey too. The internship with the Bills will simply be a foot in the door, and if I end up getting a full-time job with them I'll be more than happy with that, as I love football too. But hockey is my first choice, and I want to live in a city that cares about it.
Hockey is big in general, not just the Sabres.

Youth hockey is big. Pick-up/street hockey is common. The Frozen Four was hugely successful when held in Buffalo. The WJCs were hugely successful when held in Buffalo.

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Definitely a hockey town. I have 5 rinks within 3 miles of my house. We were on a waiting list for my sons mite hockey league. The "Spring" (goes through the first week of August) league that he plays in also has great participation.

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Hockey is big in general, not just the Sabres.

Youth hockey is big. Pick-up/street hockey is common. The Frozen Four was hugely successful when held in Buffalo. The WJCs were hugely successful when held in Buffalo.
In fairness, 90% of the people in attendance were Canadian.

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Buffalo loves hockey, of all kinds, at all ages, every day except for 16 Sundays in the fall. Simple as that.

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So slightly off-topic, what's the best place for open ice skating that doesn't draw a huge crowd?

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So slightly off-topic, what's the best place for open ice skating that doesn't draw a huge crowd?
My back yard from late December through late February. The North Buffalo rink on Tacoma is $2 for adults, $1 for kids, every Friday and Saturday at 7PM year-round, and they've done some MAJOR upgrades. It's been one of the better sheets the last couple of times that I went and it's generally not crowded.

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In a nutshell?

Hockey is life around here.
Where were the American or Buffalo fans when Team USA played
in the World Jr. tournament last year? Even when USA played
other countries, the place was full of Canadians. Do you guys
even know that there is Buffalo Junior "B" team that plays in
the Golden Horseshoe Conference of the Greater Ontario Junior
Hockey League? Come on folks. Buffalo is a football town, not
hockey.

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Where were the American or Buffalo fans when Team USA played
in the World Jr. tournament last year? Even when USA played
other countries, the place was full of Canadians. Do you guys
even know that there is Buffalo Junior "B" team that plays in
the Golden Horseshoe Conference of the Greater Ontario Junior
Hockey League? Come on folks. Buffalo is a football town, not
hockey.
I was there when USA played Canada.

The OP clearly stated that this isn't a question of hockey vs. football.

Even though I think it's closer then you believe. Youth hockey is much more popular in Buffalo then youth football.

There are more NHLers from WNY then there are WNYers in the NFL.
The only argument I have for it being a football town is that the NFL is bigger then the NHL.

All in all Buffalo is a very big hockey town. Especially when the Sabres are playing well.

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Where were the American or Buffalo fans when Team USA played
in the World Jr. tournament last year? Even when USA played
other countries, the place was full of Canadians. Do you guys
even know that there is Buffalo Junior "B" team that plays in
the Golden Horseshoe Conference of the Greater Ontario Junior
Hockey League? Come on folks. Buffalo is a football town, not
hockey.
I thought Buffalonians support for the WJCs was excellent, considering that the tournament is to Canadians like all the BCS bowl games rolled into one, but to Americans is virtually unknown, even among hockey fans. Buffalo did a good job supporting a tournament that only Canada really goes nuts about.

The Buffalo area on its own would have had no problem filling up those games on its own, if rabid Canadians hadn't crashed the online ticket windows and bought up the vast majority of the tournament the moment they went on sale.

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I'd say that it's a hockey town to the younger generation living in Buffalo, but overall the Bills control this market.

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http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puc...rn=nhl-wp19695

Here is video of a kid getting baptized in a Patrick Kaleta jersey.

<Insert baby eater joke here>

Nuff said.

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Where were the American or Buffalo fans when Team USA played
in the World Jr. tournament last year? Even when USA played
other countries, the place was full of Canadians. Do you guys
even know that there is Buffalo Junior "B" team that plays in
the Golden Horseshoe Conference of the Greater Ontario Junior
Hockey League? Come on folks. Buffalo is a football town, not
hockey.
Oh yay. A real live Canadian is here to put us in our place

Yes, we're familiar with the Blades. They've been around for 25 years.

The WJC's are simply not a draw in most places in the US. The event was largely priced out of reach of WNY, and the event doesn't draw many US fans from other locations. The fan base was basically, WNY'ers with disposable income to spend on hockey (in addition to what they spend on the Sabres) and all of Canada.

Buffalo is a passionate hockey market with much larger portion of the population being interested than most hockey markets in the US. However, I agree that this area is football first and isn't on par with Canada when it comes to the importance of hockey.

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The WJC's are simply not a draw in most places in the US. The event was largely priced out of reach of WNY
This. I would have loved to go to some of the Junior games but tickets were just too expensive. I'm in Rochester though and went to one of the pre-tournament games here, that was really some amazing hockey to watch.

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I thought Buffalonians support for the WJCs was excellent, considering that the tournament is to Canadians like all the BCS bowl games rolled into one, but to Americans is virtually unknown, even among hockey fans. Buffalo did a good job supporting a tournament that only Canada really goes nuts about.

The Buffalo area on its own would have had no problem filling up those games on its own, if rabid Canadians hadn't crashed the online ticket windows and bought up the vast majority of the tournament the moment they went on sale.

Buffalo did a fabulous job as host. Hey look. Even though I'm not a Sabres fan
I'm not bashing Buffalo. Heck one of my daughters went to college in Buffalo, but
I know at times I listen to WGR sorts radio and it's Bills talk most of the time.
I went to 3 games ( Can vs Czeck, Can vs USA and Can vs Rus for Gold) in a
private box and even the host said how little American fans there were for
USA's other games.

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My back yard from late December through late February. The North Buffalo rink on Tacoma is $2 for adults, $1 for kids, every Friday and Saturday at 7PM year-round, and they've done some MAJOR upgrades. It's been one of the better sheets the last couple of times that I went and it's generally not crowded.
Thank you! I will check that rink out.

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Where were the American or Buffalo fans when Team USA played
in the World Jr. tournament last year? Even when USA played
other countries, the place was full of Canadians. Do you guys
even know that there is Buffalo Junior "B" team that plays in
the Golden Horseshoe Conference of the Greater Ontario Junior
Hockey League? Come on folks. Buffalo is a football town, not
hockey.
Clearly fan attendance at the WJC tells you about the entire hockey culture of an area.

I'm sick and tired of this nationalistic superiority complex. Yes, hockey has been life in Canada for a LONG time. But there's plenty of us who grew up with the sport here too, and those numbers are growing.

Just because we're not as good as Canada doesn't mean we completely suck.


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Buffalo is a very good hockey town. Sabres are very popular and youth hockey is very popular. We also have the advantage of being right on the border. So our youth teams get to frequently challenge themselves against the best in tournaments and games in Ontario.

I coach and have 3 daughters currently playing. Being near Ontario and the largest girls hockey league in the world (the Lower Lakes Female Hockey League) has been a great tool for the growth on the girls side. I also have an older son I coached for years as well.


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Where were the American or Buffalo fans when Team USA played
in the World Jr. tournament last year? Even when USA played
other countries, the place was full of Canadians. Do you guys
even know that there is Buffalo Junior "B" team that plays in
the Golden Horseshoe Conference of the Greater Ontario Junior
Hockey League? Come on folks. Buffalo is a football town, not
hockey.
Do you know that the Jr Sabres play in the OJHL and that is a Junior A league?



http://buffalojrsabres.pointstreaksi...uffalojrsabres

http://ojhl.pointstreaksites.com/view/ojhl

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Buffalo did a fabulous job as host. Hey look. Even though I'm not a Sabres fan
I'm not bashing Buffalo. Heck one of my daughters went to college in Buffalo, but
I know at times I listen to WGR sorts radio and it's Bills talk most of the time.
I went to 3 games ( Can vs Czeck, Can vs USA and Can vs Rus for Gold) in a
private box and even the host said how little American fans there were for
USA's other games.

wgr is mostly football talk because the station doesn't want to pay to keep their best (or most knowledgeable) on air personalities. most of what you hear on there (i'm assuming schopp and the bulldog) is one step above barhall rabble rousing.

and you have to keep this in mind about the world juniors: buffalo is economically depressed, and has been for a long, long time. i went to about a half dozen WJC games. hell, i even sat through germany-slovakia just because i wanted to watch some hockey. the point i am trying to make, is that canadians will pay top dollar for tickets to events like this. a lot of people in buffalo sold their tickets to the big games because it is hard for people to say "no, i'm going to the game," rather than "here are your tickets, now hand over the cash that will pay my rent and utilities for the next 3 months."

buffalo has a rabid hockey fan base that extends beyond the sabres, to youth hockey and senior leagues, etc. there are other reasons that you saw a lot of canadians at those games, none of which have to do with the passion of buffalo hockey fans.


you answer the OP's question, however -- when the bills are good, this is a football town. however, the bills haven't been good in a decade. the younger generation in buffalo (25 and under) have more vivid memories of good sabres teams than they do the great bills teams. anyways, the bills haven't been relevant in december in years, so usually by the time it feels like hockey outside, everyone is following the sabres more closely than the bills.

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Are you the Monk from the SHL?

As for the question, it's a given that you will see people in the dead heat of summer sporting Sabres gear. It's a city that loves hard working players and tough, physical hockey. We haven't seen a ton of that lately, but there's still a lot of passion.


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Folks lets stay on topic.

The OP isn't asking if this is a football or hockey town. Got back on track please.

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Buffalo is much more of a Hockey Town than a Football Town.

Everyone knows the dirty little secret about Western New York, although few like to say it because deep down inside, it hurts a great deal.
This area is trapped by New York State. No help is on the way nor can any be expected.

The Bills are leaving, it's merely a matter of time.
The Sabres however, are here to stay and for good. And the respect you get from people in the area, both American and Canadian, will be beyond repproach.

Go get a job with the Sabres, you won't regret it.

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