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Take out Colborne and Im good with the deal. Pittsburgh should do it on the Kulemin Malkin lineup alone. That'd be unfair to all other NHL teams though for years to come..
Kulemin and Malkin have decent chemistry but it's not going to suddenly turn Kulie into a 70 point player.
I think people are forgetting how lethal Kulemin and Malkin are together, I think Pens aren't just getting a guy that can play top 6 minutes, but a guy that can gel easily with Malkin...
Anyways, nope, this is a no thanks from both sides.
Kulemin and Malkin have decent chemistry but it's not going to suddenly turn Kulie into a 70 point player.
if Kulemin could put up around 60 with Grabo, he could definitely put up around 70 with the best center in the league (imo) and one who he has insane chemistry with ...
Jordan Staal is an untouchable in Pittsburgh, so any trade proposals are just wishful dreaming of fans of other teams.
Thats crap. If Staal is expecting a substantial raise on his next contract then he'd better increase his offensive production from what its been the last couple years. The Pens may be able to spend to the cap but they still have to pay players like Letang,Crosby,Malkin, and hopefully sign Neal longterm. IMO Staal has looked better this year especially offensively. That trend needs to continue for the season. If it doesn't and Staal looks to be wanting more money then Shero would be foolish to not get something for him.
So last season never happened? It's pretty hard to say he can't go from 57 points as a 24 year old, to 70 if he's playing with one of the top 2 or 3 centers in the game. I could see those two having insane chemistry...
So last season never happened? It's pretty hard to say he can't go from 57 points as a 24 year old, to 70 if he's playing with one of the top 2 or 3 centers in the game. I could see those two having insane chemistry...
I'm not saying it didn't happen but at the moment it's easily his best season and his current pace is more in line with his previous seasons. What if last season was just a career year and his regular pace is 50 points? that means the 'insane chemistry' would only bring him up to 60 points. He'd be on the 2nd PP unit on the Pens and they're a team who plays the 1st unit a lot, leaving the 2nd unit with garbage time more often than not.
So last season never happened? It's pretty hard to say he can't go from 57 points as a 24 year old, to 70 if he's playing with one of the top 2 or 3 centers in the game. I could see those two having insane chemistry...
It doesn't really work like that, though. It's not as simple as saying that Player X scored 50 points with a good player, so he'll score 70+ with a great player.
If that were the case, Chris Kunitz should have been a 70 or 80 point guy with the Pens. He scored a career high of 60 with Anaheim, so therefore by the logic displayed in this thread, being Crosby's permanent linemate should have seen his totals reach 70 to 80 points.
I think a more realistic way to look at Kulemin's production beside Malkin is like this. Last year he reached 30 goals due to high shooting percentage. His three other seasons show that without that high shooting percentage, he struggles to score 30 goals. With Malkin, he's more likely to be a "lock" to reach 30 goals again.
In other words, playing alongside Malkin doesn't mean he'll best his career highs by 10 to 20 points. It more likely means he'll likely be able to match his career highs on a regular basis.
Thats crap. If Staal is expecting a substantial raise on his next contract then he'd better increase his offensive production from what its been the last couple years. The Pens may be able to spend to the cap but they still have to pay players like Letang,Crosby,Malkin, and hopefully sign Neal longterm. IMO Staal has looked better this year especially offensively. That trend needs to continue for the season. If it doesn't and Staal looks to be wanting more money then Shero would be foolish to not get something for him.
Shero would be foolish to trade Staal before his contract ends for anything less than a perfect trade, because he's an elite defensive center who's shown he can perform in the clutch, and the Pens want to win the Cup.
Not to mention Crosby's uncertain health status moving forward.
So last season never happened? It's pretty hard to say he can't go from 57 points as a 24 year old, to 70 if he's playing with one of the top 2 or 3 centers in the game. I could see those two having insane chemistry...
2008-09 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 73 15 16 31 18 -8
2009-10 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 78 16 20 36 16 0
2010-11 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 82 30 27 57 26 7
2011-12 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 30 2 9 11 4 2
and this season on pace for 30ish, now lets see what year was the fluke year? hmmm thats a tough one!
Thats crap. If Staal is expecting a substantial raise on his next contract then he'd better increase his offensive production from what its been the last couple years. The Pens may be able to spend to the cap but they still have to pay players like Letang,Crosby,Malkin, and hopefully sign Neal longterm. IMO Staal has looked better this year especially offensively. That trend needs to continue for the season. If it doesn't and Staal looks to be wanting more money then Shero would be foolish to not get something for him.
Staal does things on the ice that go beyond just stats. It is more likely contracts of players like Tyler Kennedy and Matt Niskanen are dumped to make cap room to keep Jordan Staal than any trade. Ray Shero and Dan Bylsma will never consider Jordan Staal's stats as any reason for a trade and I for one have never heard any criticism of Staal's stats as some sort of sign of disappointment in drafting him. Staal is here to stay as long as Ray Shero is the GM and Dan Bylsma is the coach. The only people who dislike Jordan Staal are some misguided fans who think he is trade bait.
To Toronto- Jordan Staal, Matt Cooke, 4th round pick (2012)
To Pittsburgh- Tim Connolly, Joe Colborne, Nik Kulemin
Trade in a nutshell- Pittsburgh gains two pretty good offensive centers which is good with the uncertainty of Crosby's injury this season. Also they get a winger that would be absolutely lights out with Malkin and who has played with Malkin before. Leafs have had the worst penalty killing in the league the last 4 years... nuff said lol.
2008-09 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 73 15 16 31 18 -8
2009-10 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 78 16 20 36 16 0
2010-11 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 82 30 27 57 26 7
2011-12 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 30 2 9 11 4 2
and this season on pace for 30ish, now lets see what year was the fluke year? hmmm thats a tough one!
Obviously his rookie and sophomore season best represent what his average numbers will be
What if last season was just a career year and his regular pace is 50 points? that means the 'insane chemistry' would only bring him up to 60 points.
So if his 'regular pace' is 50 points, why does insane chemistry bring him up to only 60points? That wouldn't be very insane chemistry imho. Is it even possible to establish 'regular pace' for a player with only 3 full seasons? And then is possible to cap increased production of 10 points due to insane chemistry?
So if his 'regular pace' is 50 points, why does insane chemistry bring him up to only 60points? That wouldn't be very insane chemistry imho. Is it even possible to establish 'regular pace' for a player with only 3 full seasons? And then is possible to cap increased production of 10 points due to insane chemistry?
Personally I don't think insane chemistry leads to big jumps in points most cases. As Sideny the Kidney pointed out Kunitz has put up similar numbers here to what he put up in Anaheim. Malone-Malkin-Sykora was the best line that Malkin's had playing in the NHL, they had very good chemistry yet Malone put up remarkably similar numbers during his time in Tampa. There are lots of other factors to consider as well, for example Kulemin was 4th in TOI/G in his 60 point year and the Leafs had no forward playing over 20 mins/G. Pens regularly have Crosby and Malkin playing over 20 mins/G then guys like Neal and Kunitz playing around 17.30 mins/G so Kulemin could find himself with a minute less of ice time than he did on the Leafs. He'd probably see an increase in his PK time to cover some of Staal's PK minutes and a slight decrease in his PP time as the 2nd unit doesn't get great time on the Pens.
i wouldn't make this trade because the OP is wrong in thinking the PK is dependent on the players. it's Bylsma's system that makes those players effective PKers imo.
