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12-14-2011, 07:56 AM
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With our managements lack of balls, Gomez is going nowhere. We no longer have the cap space to sign AK46 with the deal for Kaberle, as he's finally hit his prime. So where does he end up? Do we deal him at the deadline or let him walk for nothing at the end of the year?

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12-14-2011, 08:05 AM
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With our managements lack of balls, Gomez is going nowhere. We no longer have the cap space to sign AK46 with the deal for Kaberle, as he's finally hit his prime. So where does he end up? Do we deal him at the deadline or let him walk for nothing at the end of the year?
Among our top 9 I'd say hes our 3-4th best forward. Cole, Patches, DD, AK, Eller or vice versa, hes playing how we need him to play, and when he plays with Eller magic happens. I'd say hes advocating his case of why he has to stay

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He will re-sign IMO.

I really don't think Andrei wants to play anywhere else.

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I obviously hope he'll stick around. Been my favorite player for years, and he's been a hell of a lot of fun to watch especially so far this season. Has been a lot more consistent in his production too, which was one of his major weaknesses over the past few years, as well as his defensive play which has significantly improved. Also continues to be one of the team's better physical presences.

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12-14-2011, 08:11 AM
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With our managements lack of balls, Gomez is going nowhere. We no longer have the cap space to sign AK46 with the deal for Kaberle, as he's finally hit his prime. So where does he end up? Do we deal him at the deadline or let him walk for nothing at the end of the year?
AK has a lot higher cahnce at being here next year than Gomez. Not sure what planet you are on, they made an 8 mil/year offer to Richards so they were tready to ship Gomez somewhere.

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12-14-2011, 08:12 AM
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I get the impression he's a big part of the locker room. I know that sounds surprising but he's been here a long time and is close with many people on the team. Even his brother leaving didn't change his mind. I have a feeling Andrei will want to stay if he doesn't it will certainly be because of PG not offering him a contract.

At this point I'd give him a contract that eats up a bunch of his prime years. People don't realize just how important this guy is to our team. The guy scores goals, nuff said really

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The salary cap will go up and/or there could be a salary rollback as part of the next CBA. Gomez is as good as gone too. No reason why A Kost can't be re-signed. If you want to bash management, stick to things they have actually done instead of what you think they are going to do in the future.

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12-14-2011, 08:15 AM
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He will re-sign IMO.

I really don't think Andrei wants to play anywhere else.
20 mil to sign 11 players, including Subban, Price, Gorges, Eller and Kostitsyn. If you sign those five(although Eller will take a cheap two year deal like Patches/DD), that's 0 cap space to sign 6 players. If the cap does go down that's even less space to work with. If management doesn't figure out Gomez needs to go we are truly ****ed.

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12-14-2011, 08:19 AM
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20 mil to sign 11 players, including Subban, Price, Gorges, Eller and Kostitsyn. If you sign those five(although Eller will take a cheap two year deal like Patches/DD), that's 0 cap space to sign 6 players. If the cap does go down that's even less space to work with. If management doesn't figure out Gomez needs to go we are truly ****ed.
Gomez will not be with the team by next season. I'm quite confident in that.

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12-14-2011, 08:23 AM
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Gomez will not be with the team by next season. I'm quite confident in that.
As long as it's not a buyout I'll be fine with that. 3.5 mil in dead cap space then 4.5 will not help. If we do indeed get those two free buyouts in the new CBA, Gomez and Gionta should both be bought out.

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12-14-2011, 08:30 AM
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Trade Cammy, sign AK. 16M/4 yrs

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12-14-2011, 08:33 AM
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How much will AK earn?
UFA
AK 3.25
Moen 1.5
Darche 0.7
Gorges 2.500
Gill 2.250
Campoli 1.750
BGL 0.500



Eller 1.2 RFA
White 0.6
Nokel 0.6
Emelin 0.984
Diaz 0.900
Subban0.875
Price 2.75


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worst case scenario
Price --> 6 millions (3.25 needed = Gill + BGL + 500K) so you invest 500k to sign Price
Subban --> 3 millions (2.125 needed = Campoli + 400K) so you invest 400K to sign him
AK --> 5 millions ( 1.75 needed = Moen + 250K) so you invest 250 K to sign him
Gorges --> 4.5 millions (2 millions needed = Darche + Weber (AHL/trade)) + 450K



I know there is still some RFA to sign
but you have a top 9 foward and top 4 D

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As long as it's not a buyout I'll be fine with that. 3.5 mil in dead cap space then 4.5 will not help. If we do indeed get those two free buyouts in the new CBA, Gomez and Gionta should both be bought out.
I'd be my house that it won't be a buyout. Simply because it would cost the team almost as much and would still leave about 12 mil of cap hit...basically in eating 500k of salary they rid 12 mil of cap room over 4 years.

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Trade Cammy, sign AK. 16M/4 yrs
For whom, and what salary that acquired player should earn then ?

Cammy is worthing a top-six player or a talented prospect.

If Gauthier could get - let's say - Emerson Etem or Palmieri from Aaheim for him, I'll be more than glad.

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Is Cammy + Weber worth a first round pick???

I'd do it to get the cap space and sign our key players next year.

Plus Cammy is playing like a little ***** now I dunno what's going on with this guy

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Is Cammy + Weber worth a first round pick???

I'd do it to get the cap space and sign our key players next year.

Plus Cammy is playing like a little ***** now I dunno what's going on with this guy
Yes if the 1st round pick is attached with 2 Gomez

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For whom, and what salary that acquired player should earn then ?

Cammy is worthing a top-six player or a talented prospect.

If Gauthier could get - let's say - Emerson Etem or Palmieri from Aaheim for him, I'll be more than glad.
For Cammy, Toronto would be willing to overpay perhaps? Colorado, Anaheim, maybe 6-7 other teams would have true interest in his services. So I don't think it would be a problem to get a quality package in return...IF.....he were to be traded

Gomez is gone guaranteed, either buried in the minors or with a Complicity buyout under the switch in CBAs (would not count against the cap in this specific case)....heck, he may be done if they get a deal to bring in someone else or if...and I know this is a huge if....Markov were ever to return


As for AK. I believe he will be resigned to a multi year deal. Despite what many posters feel here, he is still a 20-30 goal type who hits and isn't that bad defensively. Players like that aren't as easy to find and get into a HABS uni as some may believe.

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Is Cammy + Weber worth a first round pick???

I'd do it to get the cap space and sign our key players next year.

Plus Cammy is playing like a little ***** now I dunno what's going on with this guy
Why? We'll have plenty of cap room with Campoli Gill and Gomez off the cap. not sure what the obsession is with trading our players as soon as they struggle(Weber Cammy).

Cammy is probably still bothered by a leg injury he had early on, looked much better last night though.

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Here are our options

1. Trade Cammy
2. AHL for Gomez/Trade Gomez
3. Trade AK for a good return with his value being so high
4. Don't resign AK or Gorges.

I think the most realistic option and the best one would be to trade Cammy to a team who needs skill on the wings for a blue chip prospect and a 1rst.

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We no longer have the cap space to sign AK46 with the deal for Kaberle, as he's finally hit his prime. So where does he end up?
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Do we deal him at the deadline or let him walk for nothing at the end of the year?
None of the above, since we're keeping him.

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Here are our options

1. Trade Cammy
2. AHL for Gomez/Trade Gomez
3. Trade AK for a good return with his value being so high
4. Don't resign AK or Gorges.

I think the most realistic option and the best one would be to trade Cammy to a team who needs skill on the wings for a blue chip prospect and a 1rst.
Molson wouldn't let Cammy be traded for futures. He sells jerseys. From the "look at what the Habs have done in the past" perspective, number four is the most likely to happen.

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Molson wouldn't let Cammy be traded for futures. He sells jerseys. From the "look at what the Habs have done in the past" perspective, number four is the most likely to happen.
Well Halak was selling jersey too

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Well Halak was selling jersey too
So was Jesus Price.

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Here are our options

1. Trade Cammy
2. AHL for Gomez/Trade Gomez
3. Trade AK for a good return with his value being so high
4. Don't resign AK or Gorges.

I think the most realistic option and the best one would be to trade Cammy to a team who needs skill on the wings for a blue chip prospect and a 1rst.
I think #2 is pretty much a lock barring a monster 2nd half by Gomez.

If he plays great maybe they re-consider.

If he plays average(30 points last 40 games and decent playoffs) they trade him and may actually get an asset(s).

If he finishes like he played last year he is going on waivers and then AHL/KHL/Europe.

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