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12-22-2011, 10:07 AM
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The bottom line in places like Atlanta and Phoenix just to name a couple, are that YES there are some hockey fans. Fans that are just as passionate as any Jets or Canadiens or Canucks fan.

There just simply aren't enough of you to sustain a franchise. It's been said before in the thread, if the Thrashers made money, they would still be there, even in the form of a different owner.

Not enough fans, not enough money, non sustainable business.

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Actually, In the Nodiques' case, It wasn't a case of bad ownership, as with the Thrashers and the Yotes, but a case of bad arena. Had the new arena been approved 16 years ago instead of just now, the Nordiques would probably have stayed in Quebec.

The Colisée only had 10k seats during the WHA days and was hastily expanded the 1980 summer to it's current 15k seats format. At the time, luxury suites were not an absolute need as it is today. Combine that with a very depressed canadian dollar, a provincial gov't wrestling with a potential credit crunch, skyrocketing players salaries and Gary Bettman's obsession with the ever absent Big american TV contract, and you have the reasons of the sale of the Nords.
Ownership should have arranged financing for a new arena. If they had wanted the team to stay, they would have stayed. Vancouver stayed, as did Edmonton, Calgary and Ottawa.

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12-22-2011, 10:11 AM
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The bottom line in places like Atlanta and Phoenix just to name a couple, are that YES there are some hockey fans. Fans that are just as passionate as any Jets or Canadiens or Canucks fan.

There just simply aren't enough of you to sustain a franchise. It's been said before in the thread, if the Thrashers made money, they would still be there, even in the form of a different owner.

Not enough fans, not enough money, non sustainable business.
And I disagree about Atlanta based on prior, proven attendance. That statement could of been tossed at places like Chicago, Pittsburgh, Boston, and Washington, but was later found untrue.

Based on the steady decline of 700-1,000 fans per year since ASG bought the package, it was the ownership and not a lack of fans that drove the team out of town.

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12-22-2011, 10:12 AM
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Ownership should have arranged financing for a new arena. If they had wanted the team to stay, they would have stayed. Vancouver stayed, as did Edmonton, Calgary and Ottawa.
They didn't have any money for that. Nor did Winnipeg, or Hartford. They both needed government help, which wasn't available.

Not every city has bozo's running the municipal purse, like Glendale.

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The bottom line in places like Atlanta and Phoenix just to name a couple, are that YES there are some hockey fans. Fans that are just as passionate as any Jets or Canadiens or Canucks fan.

There just simply aren't enough of you to sustain a franchise. It's been said before in the thread, if the Thrashers made money, they would still be there, even in the form of a different owner.

Not enough fans, not enough money, non sustainable business.
Just like there wasn't enough in Winnipeg 15 years ago, right?

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And I disagree about Atlanta based on prior, proven attendance. That statement could of been tossed at places like Chicago, Pittsburgh, Boston, and Washington, but was later found untrue.

Based on the steady decline of 700-1,000 fans per year since ASG bought the package, it was the ownership and not a lack of fans that drove the team out of town.
Surely you aren't comparing hockey in Atlanta to storied franchises such as Chicago, Pittsburg, and Boston?

No Fans, No Money, No Hockey Franchise. Simple. Don't get mad at me, I don't make the rules...

Now where can I go argue about why the hardcore NBA fans in Winnipeg deserve an NBA franchise? If you build it, THEY WILL COME...

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Just like there wasn't enough in Winnipeg 15 years ago, right?
Sure... Feel better?

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There just simply aren't enough of you to sustain a franchise. It's been said before in the thread, if the Thrashers made money, they would still be there, even in the form of a different owner.

Not enough fans, not enough money, non sustainable business.
(1) Atlanta set attendance records for an expansion franchise (at near league-high prices at the time, despite a dead last payroll). Rock bottom performance, dubious drafting, allowing marquee players to leave, and distaste with the Heatley incident, eroded core that somewhat.

(2) ASG then came on the scene and blew away any remaining goodwill when Bruce Levenson singled out a particular STH at a townhall meeting and called him a "smart ass" in front of about 1,000 people, including young children. Telling fans upset about ticket price hikes while payroll was cut by 1/3 to the cap floor to just "deal with it" certainly didn't help either.

By the end, all that was left was the very hardcore fans and those who came twice a year to see their hometown favorite team (Atlanta is almost all transplants).

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Surely you aren't comparing hockey in Atlanta to storied franchises such as Chicago, Pittsburg, and Boston?
Surely places like Chicago, Pittsburgh, and Boston never had poor attendan.....oh wait.

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(1) Atlanta set attendance records for an expansion franchise. Rock bottom performance, dubious drafting, allowing marquee players to leave, and distaste with the Heatley incident, eroded core that somewhat.

(2) ASG then came on the scene and blew away any remaining goodwill when Bruce Levenson singled out a particular STH at a townhall meeting and called him a "smart ass" in front of about 1,000 people, including young children.

By the end, all that was left was the very hardcore fans and those who came twice a year to see their hometown favorite team (Atlanta is almost all transplants).
By the end, all that was left was the very hardcore fans and those who came twice a year to see their hometown favorite team (Atlanta is almost all transplants). = NO FANS, NO MONEY.

Excuses/Explanations WHY there were not enough fans doesn't overturn the fact that there weren't enough fans.

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12-22-2011, 10:23 AM
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By the end, all that was left was the very hardcore fans and those who came twice a year to see their hometown favorite team (Atlanta is almost all transplants). = NO FANS, NO MONEY.

Excuses/Explanations WHY there were not enough fans doesn't overturn the fact that there weren't enough fans.
This is true. All I dispute is that Atlanta is not a good hockey market. Just know that there were PLENTY of fans attending games before ASG bought the team.

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Surely places like Chicago, Pittsburgh, and Boston never had poor attendan.....oh wait.
They have had poor attendance, but the franchises were strong enough to get through what's known in the sporting world as "slumps"

You can't win the Stanley Cup ever year, kid. The bad part is, winning the Stanley Cup every year is what places like Atlanta, Phoenix, and countless other sun belt success stories need to sustain 80% of the "fans".

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They have had poor attendance, but the franchises were strong enough to get through what's known in the sporting world as "slumps"

You can't win the Stanley Cup ever year, kid. The bad part is, winning the Stanley Cup every year is what places like Atlanta, Phoenix, and countless other sun belt success stories need to sustain 80% of the "fans".
Yup, that Nashville franchise, just 3 1/2 hours north of Atlanta, has hoisted countless. That must be why they have strong attendance.

So we're calling them "slumps" now?? After having strong attendance for the first six years, ASG was the only "slump" and it drove the team out.

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You can't win the Stanley Cup ever year, kid. The bad part is, winning the Stanley Cup every year is what places like Atlanta, Phoenix, and countless other sun belt success stories need to sustain 80% of the "fans".
Disagree. In Atlanta, Don Waddell constantly fed the masses the mantra of wanting to "play meaningful games in March." That was the stated goal. The organ-eye-zation never really made a legitimate attempt to make the playoffs, save the one year they actually did (and attendance was packed all down the stretch as a result). For the most part, the playoffs were a pipe dream, and the Stanley Cup itself...? Ha ha, good one.

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They have had poor attendance, but the franchises were strong enough to get through what's known in the sporting world as "slumps"

You can't win the Stanley Cup ever year, kid. The bad part is, winning the Stanley Cup every year is what places like Atlanta, Phoenix, and countless other sun belt success stories need to sustain 80% of the "fans".
Is this a joke? You are terribly misinformed.

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They have had poor attendance, but the franchises were strong enough to get through what's known in the sporting world as "slumps"

You can't win the Stanley Cup ever year, kid. The bad part is, winning the Stanley Cup every year is what places like Atlanta, Phoenix, and countless other sun belt success stories need to sustain 80% of the "fans".
Oh...and Boston and Chicago didn't cure their slump with winning? Washington?

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While I feel horrible for the actual fans in Atlanta, and Phoenix. The fact is their numbers are just not large enough to support a top tier professional franchise. The fanbase isn't willing to pay full market value on tickets, and haven't shown even enough numbers at the gate on reduced or insane promotion nights to show any sign of change.

Sorry folks the numbers are there (or actually aren't there). Atlanta and Phoenix just don't have the Hockey fans that it takes to survive. Pull the plug on the failed expansion/relocation experiment. These two cities have been a huge failure.

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This was supposed to be a thread about the fans of the Thrashers IN Atlanta---looking forward.


I think we're done.

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