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12-14-2011, 11:23 AM
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Minnesota Prospect Re-rank

Now that we're well into December, how would you change our prospect rankings with the additional play we've seen so far? Keep in mind, here's what our voting decided before the season started:

2011 HF Wild Rankings:
1. Mikael Granlund
2. Charlie Coyle
3. Jonas Brodin
4. Marco Scandella
5. Jason Zucker
6. Matt Hackett
7. Zack Phillips
8. Johan Larsson
9. Jared Spurgeon
10. Colton Gillies
11. Brett Bulmer
12. Mario Lucia
13. Tyler Cuma
14. Darcy Kuemper
15. Casey Wellman
16. Cody Almond
17. Erik Haula
18. Nate Prosser
19. Justin Falk
20. Johan Gustafsson

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12-14-2011, 11:30 AM
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I think we all can agree that Granlund is a bust and doesn't deserve to be ranked at all. Here's my current ranking:

1. Granlund
2. Scandella
3. Brodin
4. Hackett
5. Zucker
6. Phillips
7. Coyle
8. Bulmer
9. Larsson
10. Spurgeon
11. Kuemper
12. Gustafsson
13. Lucia
14. Falk
15. Wellman
16. Cuma
17. Seeler
18. Almond
19. Haula
20. McIntyre

The whole list was difficult, but especially the top 9. I got to 9 and realized I hadn't put Larsson in yet. The same thing with Coyle at 7. I put a fair bit of weight upon floor certainty, which is how Scandella beats out Brodin (though he might beat him anyway) and why Falk moved up in the list. I'm still biased against Gustafsson, and ranked Kuemper above him.

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12-14-2011, 11:34 AM
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Generic's December 2011 Prospect Re-Rankings:

1. Mikael Granlund
2. Matt Hackett
3. Zack Phillips
4. Johan Larsson
5. Jonas Brodin
6. Jason Zucker
7. Brett Bulmer
8. Darcy Kuemper
9. Charlie Coyle
10. Casey Wellman
11. Mario Lucia
12. Tyler Cuma
13. Erik Haula

14-20. The rest.

It's hard to tell whether Scandella, Gillies, Spurgeon, etc. should be counted as prospects or not, so I just ranked players that haven't seen long stints in the NHL.

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12-14-2011, 11:34 AM
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Coyle, Phillips and Gillies have probably dropped a few spots.

Spurgeon, Hackett, Bulmer, Wellman, Almond(?) have probably risen.

I'd also say Falk is better than Prosser at this point.

It's tough ranking guys who are playing with the Wild with players who are playing in lesser leagues because obviously those playing in the NHL are at a disadvantage.

Not sure if I even want to take a crack at this... I'd probably debate myself for hours.

Maybe I'll come back and edit in my rankings.

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12-14-2011, 11:39 AM
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Coyle, Phillips and Gillies have probably dropped a few spots.

Spurgeon, Hackett, Bulmer, Wellman, Almond(?) have probably risen.

I'd also say Falk is better than Prosser at this point.
I definitely agree on Coyle and Gillies, but I don't see why Phillips would drop. We've seen his major concern become less intimidating (his skating) and he's proven he can score without Huberdeau. Any reason you think he drops?

I also agree on Hackett, Bulmer, and Wellman, although my ranking ended up keeping Wellman where he is (but I have a higher opinion of goalies than the rest of the board). I don't think Spurgeon has done enough to more than tread water though, and I'd say the same for Almond.

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12-14-2011, 12:02 PM
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2011 HF Wild Rankings:

1. Mikael Granlund
2. Jonas Brodin
3. Jason Zucker
4. Matt Hackett
5. Zack Phillips
6. Johan Larsson
7. Marco Scandella
8. Charlie Coyle
9. Brett Bulmer
10. Mario Lucia
11. Jared Spurgeon
12. Colton Gillies
13. Erik Haula
14. Darcy Kuemper
15. Johan Gustafsson
16. Casey Wellman
17. Tyler Cuma
18. Cody Almond
19. Justin Falk
20. Nate Prosser

I did this kind of fast before work. I'm with Generic User about some of these guys shouldn't be on our list since they might not be considered prospects anymore.

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12-14-2011, 12:15 PM
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Of the non-NHL guys:

1. Granlund
2. Brodin
3. Larsson
4. Zucker
5. Coyle
6. Bulmer
7. Hackett
8. Phillips
9. Lucia
10. Gustafsson
11. Kuemper
12. Haula
13. Cuma

The rest

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12-14-2011, 12:24 PM
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If we're using the HF standard of 65 games before age 24 (with a couple exceptions), Scandella and Wellman are still prospects but Spurgeon and Gillies are not.

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I definitely agree on Coyle and Gillies, but I don't see why Phillips would drop. We've seen his major concern become less intimidating (his skating) and he's proven he can score without Huberdeau. Any reason you think he drops?

I also agree on Hackett, Bulmer, and Wellman, although my ranking ended up keeping Wellman where he is (but I have a higher opinion of goalies than the rest of the board). I don't think Spurgeon has done enough to more than tread water though, and I'd say the same for Almond.
I'm not saying Phillips is getting worse or failing to improve. Trying to look from an unbiased standpoint, I'd think his rank drops slightly because he failed to make the WJC team. I still believe he'll develop into a fine player.

I definitely wouldn't put Hackett as high as you did, but you justified that your opinion was biased, so I won't fault you. Hackett was great during those two games, but I wouldn't say it moves him up to #4. He's still got a lot to prove.

I think Spurgeon has gone from questionable to serviceable. He's not going to blow anyone out of the water, but his smart plays make him a valuable player and a mainstay on our blue line. I'd say he's already improving his offensive game, and he'll eventually be great on the PP. His only downside is getting out-muscled occasionally.

Almond hasn't been bad, which is good! I'm pleasantly surprised with his play - especially since he's not one of our top prospects anymore. He's probably reached his ceiling, but I'd say his rank has risen because of his consistent play at the NHL level.

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12-14-2011, 12:31 PM
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Aside from moving Scandella into 3 and Spurgeon higher or removing him from the list as he's graduated by now. I don't think I'd move to many more around, though I'd put Falk higher as well given his second stint in the NHL.

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1. Mikael Granlund
2. Matt Hackett
3. Zack Phillips
4. Johan Larsson
5. Jonas Brodin
6. Jason Zucker
7. Marco Scandella
8. Charlie Coyle
9. Brett Bulmer
10. Mario Lucia
11. Johan Gustafsson
12. Darcy Kuemper
13. Erik Haula
14. Casey Wellman
15. David McIntyre
16. Cody Almond
17. Justin Falk
18. Tyler Cuma
19. Nick Seeler
20. Julian Walker

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1. Mikael Granlund
2. Matt Hackett
3. Zack Phillips
4. Johan Larsson
5. Jonas Brodin
6. Jason Zucker
7. Marco Scandella
8. Charlie Coyle
9. Brett Bulmer
10. Mario Lucia
11. Johan Gustafsson
12. Darcy Kuemper
13. Erik Haula
14. Casey Wellman
15. David McIntyre
16. Cody Almond
17. Justin Falk
18. Tyler Cuma
19. Nick Seeler
20. Julian Walker
I know it's quite nit-picky, but I'm curious why you put McIntyre before Falk?

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12-14-2011, 12:52 PM
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Not trying to toot my own horn ..... (well actually I am)...... but I feel good about saying that Hackett and Zucker would/should move up those boards we did over the summer


Can we put Yeo in the prospects list???? He'd be challenging Granlund for #1.

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I know it's quite nit-picky, but I'm curious why you put McIntyre before Falk?
Hmmmm...Meant to flip them, but since you challenged:

Big, lumbering defensemen are a dime a dozen. Add in that he barely shoots, usually wide. Doesn't do any one thing out of this world. Sure, he could be at tops a 4 D, with some reliability. However, the games that I've seen hes forced the pass and a couple have ended up being goals. Exactly what hes not supposed to do.

McIntyre has speed, solid hands, strong on the puck, and is smart. He has some toughness on him, but he also doesn't go around bruising people and gooning it up like PMB either.

I think its more just personal preference than anything else. I liked seeing McIntyre play. However, Falk to me is some peoples Zanon.

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1. Mikael Granlund
2. Zack Phillips
3. Matt Hackett
4. Jonas Brodin
5. Marco Scandella
6. Casey Wellman
7. Johan Larsson
8. Jared Spurgeon
9. Erik Haula
10. Jason Zucker
11. Brett Bulmer
12. Mario Lucia
13. Darcy Kuemper
14. Charlie Coyle
15. Justin Falk
16. Nate Prosser
17. Tyler Cuma
18. Cody Almond
19. Colton Gillies
20. Johan Gustafsson

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Hmmmm...Meant to flip them, but since you challenged:

Big, lumbering defensemen are a dime a dozen. Add in that he barely shoots, usually wide. Doesn't do any one thing out of this world. Sure, he could be at tops a 4 D, with some reliability. However, the games that I've seen hes forced the pass and a couple have ended up being goals. Exactly what hes not supposed to do.

McIntyre has speed, solid hands, strong on the puck, and is smart. He has some toughness on him, but he also doesn't go around bruising people and gooning it up like PMB either.

I think its more just personal preference than anything else. I liked seeing McIntyre play. However, Falk to me is some peoples Zanon.
I like your justification.

I was curious because I personally didn't notice McIntyre much when he was called up.

On the other hand, Falk had much longer to make an impact. He showed flashes of good and bad; made a few strong defensive plays, but also some lazy plays that almost ended in goals. I think I'm most impressed by his physicality and size.

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1. Mikael Granlund
2. Zack Phillips
3. Matt Hackett
4. Jonas Brodin
5. Marco Scandella
6. Casey Wellman
7. Johan Larsson
8. Jared Spurgeon
9. Erik Haula
10. Jason Zucker
11. Brett Bulmer
12. Mario Lucia
13. Darcy Kuemper
14. Charlie Coyle
15. Justin Falk
16. Nate Prosser
17. Tyler Cuma
18. Cody Almond
19. Colton Gillies
20. Johan Gustafsson

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1. Mikael Granlund
2. Matt Hackett
3. Jason Zucker
4. Jonas Brodin
5. Marco Scandella
6. Zack Phillips
7. Johan Larsson
8. Brett Bulmer
9. Charlie Coyle
10. Casey Wellman
11. Johan Gustafsson
12. Tyler Cuma
13. Erik Haula
14. Mario Lucia
15. Cody Almond
16. Darcy Kuemper
17. Justin Falk
18. Nate Prosser
19. Nick Seeler
20. Kristopher Foucault


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Of the non-NHL guys:

1. Granlund
2. Brodin
3. Larsson
4. Zucker
5. Coyle
6. Bulmer
7. Hackett
8. Phillips
9. Lucia
10. Gustafsson
11. Kuemper
12. Haula
13. Cuma

The rest
you have phillips way too low at 8

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you have phillips way too low at 8
I have him at 7 on mine (although I counted Scandella so really 6) and can't imagine putting him higher. He's not a better prospect than FBJ, Zucker, or Hackett right now (unless you're an anti-goalie zealot). Brodin gets the benefit of his draft pedigree, Coyle's fallen, but it's debatable whether he's fallen that far, Larsson has been spectacular and Bulmer made the team (until we picked Johnson off waivers) this season.

That's the amazing thing. We drafted a guy in the first round this year who has done nothing but impress, and he can legitimately be ranked our 8th best prospect.

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1. Mikael Granlund
2. Jonas Brodin
3. Zack Phillips
4. Johan Larsson
5. Jason Zucker
6. Brett Bulmer
7. Charlie Coyle
8. Mario Lucia

tried to do non nhl ahl guys

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Coyle and Brodin drops, Larsson and Hacket goes higher

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Coyle and Brodin drops, Larsson and Hacket goes higher
Edit: Nevermind.

Why does Brodin drop?

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1 Mikael Granlund
2 Jonas Brodin
3 Jonas Larsson
4 Matt Hackett
5 Jason Zucker
6 Marco Scandella
7 Zack Phillips
8 Charlie Coyle
9 Jared Spurgeon
10 Brett Bulmer

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Edit: Nevermind.

Why does Brodin drop?
I wouldn't drop him (although I have Scandella pass him) but I'm sure that total of 5 points hurts him in some people's eyes.

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I know I will be the only person out there, but I DO NOT have Granlund as the #1 ..... I think he is WAAAY overhyped at this time, considering he has done nothing yet on American soil in NHL sized rinks.

I'm NOT saying he won't be the second coming, but he just has not shown me anything yet (because we haven't seen him)

Also, I don't just rank my picks by who will some day score the most goals for the Wild. But I place more weight by who will have an earlier NHL impact for the Wild ....


1. Scandella
2. Hackett
3. Bulmer
4. Falk
5. Brodin
6. Granlund
7. Wellman
8. Almond
9. Zucker
10. Prosser

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