I just came here to post this. I don't get it either. Probably just the Buffalo reputation and he wanted to try to make a joke out of it.
He can go hang out with MA Bergeron and Etem.
Followed up with this:
Joffrey Lupul @JLupul 6m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Well that was entertaining. I wish I could RT my favorite responses but they were too vulgar. See you tomorrow, should be a good one.
What exactly do you expect when you take a shot at somebody's city?
DarrenDreger Darren Dreger
Things are heating up on the Kyle Turris trade front. Sources indicate a deal could come down today.
20 minutes ago
Any chance the Sabres are in on this? Timing seems right with our Center depth depleted with the injuries to Leino, Hecht, Boyes and our abundance of D-men. I wouldn't mind taking a chance on a young center with upside such as Turris, who definitely needs a change of scenery. Maybe Weber + 3rd for Turris...contracts pretty close.
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DarrenDreger Darren Dreger
Things are heating up on the Kyle Turris trade front. Sources indicate a deal could come down today.
20 minutes ago
Any chance the Sabres are in on this? Timing seems right with our Center depth depleted with the injuries to Leino, Hecht, Boyes and our abundance of D-men. I wouldn't mind taking a chance on a young center with upside such as Turris, who definitely needs a change of scenery. Maybe Weber + 3rd for Turris...contracts pretty close.
I would absolutely love it, I've really, really liked Turris ever since his draft year. I don't know how much I would give up for him though.
It's so hard to gauge what Turris' trade value is... but I would definitely be very interested, and think we have enough depth in assets to make a deal.
Weren't his primary suitors earlier this season reported to be Ottawa, Toronto, and Calgary? I'd imagine he'll go to one of those teams. Ottawa has done a nice job building its prospect ranks. Turris for B. Butler/Greening + pick? Turris for Kadri? Something around Turris and Rene Bourque?
I'd rather take a shot on Turris than Brassard, but I'm not sure what I'd want to give up for Turris.
Weren't his primary suitors earlier this season reported to be Ottawa, Toronto, and Calgary? I'd imagine he'll go to one of those teams. Ottawa has done a nice job building its prospect ranks. Turris for B. Butler/Greening + pick? Turris for Kadri? Something around Turris and Rene Bourque?
I'd rather take a shot on Turris than Brassard, but I'm not sure what I'd want to give up for Turris.
Agreed, much rather take a shot at Turris than Brassard. I don't get what the fascination is with Brassard at this point in his career. Both are still young, both were rushed, but Brassard has been given chance after chance. Turris is still young enough to turn it around, I don't think Brassard is at this point.
Weren't his primary suitors earlier this season reported to be Ottawa, Toronto, and Calgary? I'd imagine he'll go to one of those teams. Ottawa has done a nice job building its prospect ranks. Turris for B. Butler/Greening + pick? Turris for Kadri? Something around Turris and Rene Bourque?
I'd rather take a shot on Turris than Brassard, but I'm not sure what I'd want to give up for Turris.
Please explain why??? (the only possible response is contract related)
Agreed, much rather take a shot at Turris than Brassard. I don't get what the fascination is with Brassard at this point in his career. Both are still young, both were rushed, but Brassard has been given chance after chance. Turris is still young enough to turn it around, I don't think Brassard is at this point.
yea, at 24 there is no hope... (Briere turned it around at 26)
Brassard is more proven, plays a more physical game, and has the amount of "talent"....
Brassard's $3.2 mill cap hit till 2013-14 essentially takes him off the table given the Sabres cap situation. Myers' extension taking effect next year, Ennis' impending RFA, and the likelihood that Darcy and Lindy will want to keep at least 1 of Hecht/Gaustad in the fold next year, leaves us little room to handle Brassard's contract.
Please explain why??? (the only possible response is contract related)
That's certainly a primary reason. We're a cap team, and Brassard's cap hit is $3.2m. I'm not touching the deal with the way he's playing right now. He's been hot garbage this season. And while I'm not the biggest Turris fan in the world, I liked the way he looked against Detroit in the playoff series last year; he didn't look outclassed the way much of his team did. Also, despite playing limited minutes in Phoenix, he produced at ES--which I think is a strong indicator of the quality of a player--in the minutes he was given, leading them with 2.30 pts/60 minutes.
In sum, he's both a buy-low candidate and a guy who won't hurt our cap in the short-term. Brassard is the former, but not the latter.
yea, at 24 there is no hope... (Briere turned it around at 26)
Brassard is more proven, plays a more physical game, and has the amount of "talent"....
Brassard is also over twice as expensive as Turris.
If Brassard wasn't getting $3.2M per against the cap or if the Sabres weren't right up against the cap or if Brassard weren't sucking big time this year, then I'd be more interested.
And Briere had accomplished a lot more before the Sabres picked him up than Brassard has.
Brassard's $3.2 mill cap hit till 2013-14 essentially takes him off the table given the Sabres cap situation. Myers' extension taking effect next year, Ennis' impending RFA, and the likelihood that Darcy and Lindy will want to keep at least 1 of Hecht/Gaustad in the fold next year, leaves us little room to handle Brassard's contract.
The Sabres don't have a "cap situation" long term.
the could easily move Stafford and be fine...
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Thomas Vanek ($7.142m) / Luke Adam ($0.875m) / Jason Pominville ($5.300m)
Tyler Ennis ($2.275m) / Derek Roy ($4.000m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m)
Ville Leino ($4.500m) / Derick Brassard ($3.200m) / Corey Tropp ($0.700m)
Nathan Gerbe ($1.433m) / Paul Szczechura ($0.725m) / Cody McCormick ($1.200m)
Patrick Kaleta ($1.000m)
DEFENSEMEN
Robyn Regehr ($4.020m) / Tyler Myers ($5.500m)
Jordan Leopold ($3.000m) / Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m)
Andrej Sekera ($2.750m) / Mike Weber ($0.950m)
Brayden McNabb ($0.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Ryan Miller ($6.250m) / Jhonas Enroth ($0.675m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,866,190; BONUSES: $372,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,433,810
Brassard is also over twice as expensive as Turris.
If Brassard wasn't getting $3.2M per against the cap or if the Sabres weren't right up against the cap or if Brassard weren't sucking big time this year, then I'd be more interested.
And Briere had accomplished a lot more before the Sabres picked him up than Brassard has.
Briere career highs at time of trade:
Goals: 32
Pts: 60
Brassard career highs:
Goals: 17
Pts: 47
21 yrs old - 23 yrs old
Briere 107 NHL games - 39 pts .36 ppg
Brassard 184 NHL games - 108 pts .58 ppg
It looks plausible, seeing as Kaleta was held from the morning skate today because "he's not feeling well" toss in a 3rd or a 4th maybe...
Pretty sure Kaleta holds exactly 0 trade value, so I'd say probably not.
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Originally Posted by joshjull
Can anyone give me a quick explaination as to why things got this point between the Yotes and Turris? What were the issues?
Pretty sure it's a combination of the Turris underperforming thus far and then the breaking point I think was the contract hold out (which was ridiculous). I think the contract dispute really put them on bad terms and kind of opened the door to moving Turris out.
Turris needs to fire his agent, that was a dumbass move. At his age, coming off a productive end to last season, Turris needed to play. Not to mention the fact that he had 0 leverage.
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Originally Posted by Jame
yea, at 24 there is no hope... (Briere turned it around at 26)
Brassard is more proven, plays a more physical game, and has the amount of "talent"....
Yes, he is more proven, as a 40-45 point player, and yes he does play more physical.
Why can't you simply debate a certain point? Where did I say there was no hope? Christ.
Same argument used with Gragnani, there are exceptions but if you've been given the opportunity in the NHL (or even if you haven't, in Gragnani's case), and you haven't amounted to anything and you're closing in on your 25th birthday, it's probably a pretty good indication that you're not going to develop into much more than you are now. There are exceptions (Campbell, Briere, etc) but more often than not, that is the case.
Brassard is young but he's also closing in on 250 NHL GP and has been productive for about 40 of them.
He has been absolutely brutal this year, which has led to him now being a healthy scratch a few times.
And that doesn't even get into the contract issue.
There may only be a 2 year difference between Turris and Brassard, but when you're developing the difference between 22 and 24 can be huge.
That's certainly a primary reason. We're a cap team, and Brassard's cap hit is $3.2m. I'm not touching the deal with the way he's playing right now. He's been hot garbage this season. And while I'm not the biggest Turris fan in the world, I liked the way he looked against Detroit in the playoff series last year; he didn't look outclassed the way much of his team did. Also, despite playing limited minutes in Phoenix, he produced at ES--which I think is a strong indicator of the quality of a player--in the minutes he was given, leading them with 2.30 pts/60 minutes.
In sum, he's both a buy-low candidate and a guy who won't hurt our cap in the short-term. Brassard is the former, but not the latter.
Which probably also makes the trade value cost of Turris higher then Brassard, no?
(Briere turned it around at 26)
