There were rumblings last year that Suter may of been unhappy with Trotz and the coaching staff with the way the D-pairings are handled. With many Wings fans hoping for a chance to sign a guy like him this could only help right. Last year there was just talk and I don't believe anything was quoted in the media. I'm not saying that this is a major issue happening right now in their orginization just things like this weren't in the media last year.
“I don’t know what’s going on,” Suter said. “We’re going to have to have a little talk with [the coaches] and figure it out. We need to know who we’re playing with. It’s too hard on young guys to not know who you’re playing with.”
If Suter realizes that the coaching staff isn't going anywhere and he wants to look elsewhere the Wings may have a shot in the offseason.
Thoughts? I know the article is a couple weeks old but I thought what the heck.
I wouldn't put any stock in an article where a player expresses frustration after a loss, or over pairings and such. The pressure starts to intensify at this point of the season as teams want to make sure they're still in a spot to get to the playoffs.
When Poile announces that contract talks have been suspended, THEN I'll get my hopes up.
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only way the Wings have a chance even if he doesn't resign with them(which I still think he will) really(if Nashville thinks they won't be able to resign him they would probably try and trade him at the deadline,and it wouldn't be to the Wings but the better they are doing in the standings around the deadline the less likely they trade him at the deadline even if they don't think they can resign him)
but like I said,i'm still pretty sure he's going to resign in Nashville
I wouldn't put any stock in an article where a player expresses frustration after a loss, or over pairings and such. The pressure starts to intensify at this point of the season as teams want to make sure they're still in a spot to get to the playoffs.
When Poile announces that contract talks have been suspended, THEN I'll get my hopes up.
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As a Preds fan, that is exactly what it was. I think our organization is trying to give Suter a larger piece of the media action. It's Suter on the posters and in the newspapers. It's Suter at our Skate of the Union event. Lots of Suter. Almost like we are preparing to lose Weber at the end of this year. If talks look grim later this season with him, David Poile will trade his rights to a team that he knows can get a signing done...probably outside of our new conference. I wouldn't look at Detroit being on that shopping list. If that happens, the Predators might as well pack up and leave town. It would be that devastating. Poile knows better.
This article is a few weeks old, and Suter has already addressed it. He said that his comments were in frustration, and that he was misunderstood. He isn't "unhappy". He was merely calling out the decision to start shuffling the d-pairings without anyone knowing. He was ok with it himself, but when you have young guys on the blueline, especially rookies or guys who are new to the team (Hillen, Josi, Blum) it makes it harder for them when they aren't sure who they will be paired with.
I doubt there is anything more to see here. He covered it, and it seems to be water under the bridge now. His agent was in town recently to have face-to-face meetings with Poile. He may still test the market, but bringing your agent to town isn't the move of a guy who is definitely wanting out.
This article is a few weeks old, and Suter has already addressed it. He said that his comments were in frustration, and that he was misunderstood. He isn't "unhappy". He was merely calling out the decision to start shuffling the d-pairings without anyone knowing. He was ok with it himself, but when you have young guys on the blueline, especially rookies or guys who are new to the team (Hillen, Josi, Blum) it makes it harder for them when they aren't sure who they will be paired with.
I doubt there is anything more to see here. He covered it, and it seems to be water under the bridge now. His agent was in town recently to have face-to-face meetings with Poile. He may still test the market, but bringing your agent to town isn't the move of a guy who is definitely wanting out.
Can't you see we are too busy pining for one of your players to think about his comments logically?
My guess the only reason we wouldn't have a shot is if he doesn't want to leave Nashville. If he is indeed unhappy this can only help our chances and we will have the cap space.
Edit: forgot to mention I agree with many that he will be re-signed but a guy can still wish. Ideally though Weber would be the better fit with the right handed shot.
the major rumblings you heard was during the playoff series vs the ducks. Suter took a bonehead penalty and Trotzy wore his butt out on the bench and in the lockerroom. trotz doesn't do this often and it created a rift between the two. I don't know if they hashed it out or not, but that is where the unhappiness from last year came from.
I like Suter a lot and I am sure if he hits free agency the Wings and he will speak. But their are really only two ways he signs. One is that we actually pony up the pick before the draft and getting exclusive negotiating rights (have no idea how the CBA, potential lockout will impact this) so that he never makes it to free agency. The other one being he has already decided he wants to play for the Wings and is willing to do it for less than other offers. If he wants 7.5 million and somewhere near that cap hit, i.e. no funny business (If allowed by the CBA once again, that is really doubtful) where we can drive it down, I really don't think he is going to get it from us.
IF we get either him or Weber (which I would prefer), this franchise D core would be set for another decade.
I hope the Preds are doing well but like Fugu mentioned, when they announce contract talks are on hold or suspended then I'm starting to like our ability.
I like Suter a lot and I am sure if he hits free agency the Wings and he will speak. But their are really only two ways he signs. One is that we actually pony up the pick before the draft and getting exclusive negotiating rights (have no idea how the CBA, potential lockout will impact this) so that he never makes it to free agency. The other one being he has already decided he wants to play for the Wings and is willing to do it for less than other offers. If he wants 7.5 million and somewhere near that cap hit, i.e. no funny business (If allowed by the CBA once again, that is really doubtful) where we can drive it down, I really don't think he is going to get it from us.
Depends entirely on the term. If it's ten years, not a chance. If it's 5? Maybe. With Nashville's history, they'll send him to the Flyers at the deadline for a first rounder and change.
Depends entirely on the term. If it's ten years, not a chance. If it's 5? Maybe. With Nashville's history, they'll send him to the Flyers at the deadline for a first rounder and change.
Why not to the Wings?
I think the Preds overpaid for their goalie. This might screw it up for one of their Dmen. Or both.
I think the Preds overpaid for their goalie. This might screw it up for one of their Dmen. Or both.
I know the Preds are small potatoes to the Red Wings, but the Predator fan base considers Detroit their biggest nemesis (and with good reason). There is simply no way we'd trade Suter to Detroit unless the price paid was astronomically higher.
Edit: forgot to mention I agree with many that he will be re-signed but a guy can still wish. Ideally though Weber would be the better fit with the right handed shot.
Disagree. While Weber might be a better fit alongside Lidstrom, Suter is the better fit with Kronwall.
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Hudler + 1st
And then bring Hudler back in the offseason because he's the best option as a second line forward given the available money after signing Suter, Helm, and Abdelkader? Especially as we know he has good chemistry with pretty much every top forward on the Wings.
Disagree. While Weber might be a better fit alongside Lidstrom, Suter is the better fit with Kronwall.
And then bring Hudler back in the offseason because he's the best option as a second line forward given the available money after signing Suter, Helm, and Abdelkader? Especially as we know he has good chemistry with pretty much every top forward on the Wings.
Helm and Gator are not building real nice deals for themselves with their production right now. I think the Wings will sign both without arbitration, but neither is presenting a real scary case that we need to worry about right now. The money will still be there to get two star level players this off-season, so I disagree that Suter will be the only big addition and Hudler is then the best we could do.
Helm and Gator are not building real nice deals for themselves with their production right now. I think the Wings will sign both without arbitration, but neither is presenting a real scary case that we need to worry about right now. The money will still be there to get two star level players this off-season, so I disagree that Suter will be the only big addition and Hudler is then the best we could do.
Ok. After Parise and Semin, who is there that's better than Hudler?
Doan? Chances of him signing in Detroit are nil.
Hemsky? Don't count on Holland locking up a guy with a bad attitude; especially when that guy might be playing second line minutes or worse for a hard-ass coach.
Selanne? He'll either retire or stay a Duck.
The guys who I might look at (with at BEST similar overall package value to Hudler) for no more than $3-4m, are:
Tuomo Ruutu $3.8m
Ray Whitney $3m
Olli Jokinen $3m
Vinny Prospal $2.5m
Assuming the Wings get Helm done for $1.5m, Abs for $1m, and Suter for $7m, that leaves about $10.7m to play with if you add MacDonald and Smith to fill Stuart and Conklin's spots. So you're right that the Wings have the space. But who are they going to get?
Two forwards and a defenseman for $10.7m
Conceivably, they could pull in Parise, keep Hudler, and keep a guy like Janik as the 7th. That lineup has a lot of firepower but a fairly inexperienced defense. If you don't get Parise, then the obvious option (if possible) is to add a guy like Adrian Aucoin on defense and grab one of the forwards - preferably Ruutu, but he might go into the $5m range - and work it out from there. An extra million on the cap would help out immensely.
Ok. After Parise and Semin, who is there that's better than Hudler?
Doan? Chances of him signing in Detroit are nil.
Hemsky? Don't count on Holland locking up a guy with a bad attitude; especially when that guy might be playing second line minutes or worse for a hard-ass coach.
Selanne? He'll either retire or stay a Duck.
The guys who I might look at (with at BEST similar overall package value to Hudler) for no more than $3-4m, are:
Tuomo Ruutu $3.8m
Ray Whitney $3m
Olli Jokinen $3m
Vinny Prospal $2.5m
Assuming the Wings get Helm done for $1.5m, Abs for $1m, and Suter for $7m, that leaves about $10.7m to play with if you add MacDonald and Smith to fill Stuart and Conklin's spots. So you're right that the Wings have the space. But who are they going to get?
Two forwards and a defenseman for $10.7m
Conceivably, they could pull in Parise, keep Hudler, and keep a guy like Janik as the 7th. That lineup has a lot of firepower but a fairly inexperienced defense. If you don't get Parise, then the obvious option (if possible) is to add a guy like Adrian Aucoin on defense and grab one of the forwards - preferably Ruutu, but he might go into the $5m range - and work it out from there. An extra million on the cap would help out immensely.
Holland has always said nice things about Hemsky, I expect us to be in the bidding for him should he be made available in season.
I also would prefer Ruutu to Hudler, just because of the physical element he brings. I doubt he commands anywhere near the 5 million you just pulled out of your hat. I don't mind keeping Hudler, but I honestly don't know why he would sign on for more time with Babcock. Those two clearly don't get along. Hemsky might not get along with him either, but we don't know that yet, the bigger concern is his injury history.
