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12-17-2011, 12:02 PM
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On the main board, kings fans are saying they'd agree to a Semin for Stoll + Williams swap. Personally I'd do it in a heartbeat.

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Sweet. Let me get GMGM on the phone and tell him Kings fans have agreed to a trade.

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12-17-2011, 12:06 PM
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agree: erskine fills a role. he is good enough to play, but not a better defenseman that schultz or hamrlik. its important to remember that erskine is a perishable product. one more fight might be his last with the concussions that he has had in recent seasons.

yes. schultz contract is a killer. i am simply saying that moving him doesnt change much as he is not playing right now. removing marginal players to be replaced by other marginal players or not replacing them doesnt make the team better.
Erskine by being in the line up does help to keep the opponent some what honest regarding shenanigans and physical play against the Caps. He was not dressed the nights of Green's injury and the Beagle/Asham fight. Erskine's a good #7 d-man to put in to the line up when needed. The Caps have some solid young d-men with the likes of Alzner, Carlson, Green and Orlov. Just imagine what they are currently paying for Schultz, Hamrlik and Poti and what all of that could get you come free agency on July 1.

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12-17-2011, 12:45 PM
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Sweet. Let me get GMGM on the phone and tell him Kings fans have agreed to a trade.
Cool man. I'm just saying that's the kind of return I'd want if we traded Semin.

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12-17-2011, 12:55 PM
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Getting Turris would allow us to play Majo at wing.
Watch they'll trade Johansson for Turris and there goes that.

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The Great Turris traded to Ottawa for Rundblad and a second.

CouldahadTarasenko/Kuznetsov.

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12-17-2011, 01:19 PM
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The Great Turris traded to Ottawa for Rundblad and a second.

CouldahadTarasenko/Kuznetsov.
That's grand larceny.

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The Great Turris traded to Ottawa for Rundblad and a second.

CouldahadTarasenko/Kuznetsov.
Nice return for Maloney IMO.

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12-17-2011, 01:22 PM
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Watch they'll trade Johansson for Turris and there goes that.
Haha, we're safe. Glad we stayed away from Turris at that price. Murray is going to join his brother on the unemployment list soon, imo.

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12-17-2011, 01:24 PM
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My take. Orlov is filling in for Green. If Green returns, Orlov will be dispatched to Hershey. I think Erskine has bumped Sarge.

RD Depth
Green Carlson Wideman Orlov Collins

LD Depth
Alzner Hammer Erksine Schultz McNeill

Our top 7 at full health may be unchanged. Do we think Orlov has busted into our top 6? He is not going to be our 7 and not playing.

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12-17-2011, 01:28 PM
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well, this is exactly what GMGM and co just stated in WaPo. They want to acquire picks for this draft, not lose them.

If we trade one of ou rd-men (Schultz), it will be for draft picks. I couldnt see us getting much more than a 2nd, if even that. Schultz's removal would open up salary cap space for another forward, hopefully a top 6 aging vet that we could get for a d-man prospect (like McNeill).

One thing Caps have in spades is young d-men. Green, Carslon, Alzner and Orlov are the core, and are all young. We dont have a need for any D prospects. Anything left over can be used to augment the team this year (salary cap allowances withstanding), and can be replenished by this years uber-deep draft.

Perrault is a player that will probably do well once he departs. Think Andrew Brunette.
I truly believe this, but I also believe he will get seriously hurt doing some of the stuff he does. One of these days in the corner or going to traffic areas he is going to get plastered. I always thought Montreal would have interest, they love Francophone players.

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12-17-2011, 01:37 PM
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Why can't Orlov play LD. He's a left shot, I'd imagine he plays RD more out of necessity since everyone and their mother generally shoots left.

Alzner Green
Orlov Carlson
Hamrlik/Erskine Wideman

That's the best roster we can ice IMO.

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12-17-2011, 01:47 PM
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Brutal return on the Turris trade...that couldve been Orlov plus a 1st/2nd pending on how they valued Orlov vs Rundblad and im sure glad we stayed out of that.

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12-17-2011, 01:51 PM
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Why can't Orlov play LD. He's a left shot, I'd imagine he plays RD more out of necessity since everyone and their mother generally shoots left.

Alzner Green
Orlov Carlson
Hamrlik/Erskine Wideman

That's the best roster we can ice IMO.
you would scratch wideman in favor of orlov? besides carlson and orlov are not a pairing you will see

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12-17-2011, 02:29 PM
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you would scratch wideman in favor of orlov? besides carlson and orlov are not a pairing you will see
No that's one of Hamrlik or Erskine with Wideman, depending on opponent.

Carlson is our most defensive righty so putting Orlov (who is pretty solid defensively but still the most offensive LD) would make sense. Plus that pairing would absolutely nail it in the puck movement department. Both guys can pinch, both guys can bomb away from the blueline, both guys can hit to hurt (Orlov especially) and both guys can read the play and get back into position and cover for each other. Our very own Suter-Weber dynamic, not to the same level of course. Orlov doesn't fit with Green, and I feel like Wideman isn't as good a fit as Carlson either. Plus Carlson hasn't been benefitting from any LDs other than Alzner and we haven't tried him with Orlov. Why not. They looked good as a pairing in camp a year back and haven't played together since.

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12-17-2011, 02:35 PM
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which of orlov and carlson do you depend on to be the stay at home?

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12-17-2011, 02:49 PM
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Whichever the situation calls for. There are plenty of extremely effective pairings in the NHL where both defensemen pinch and both defensemen defend when necessary. Lidstrom-Rafalski/White/Ericsson. Suter-Weber. Coburn-Timonen. Enstrom-Byfuglien/Bogosian Hamhius-Bieksa. Edler-Ehrhoff/Salo. Chara-Wideman/Seidenberg. Campbell-Garrison. I can really spend all day naming them. The OFD-stay at home dynamic is more prevalent because good physical two-way defensemen are hard to come by. Both of Orlov and Carlson fit the bill, at least so far.

It is true that in those pairings one guy usually skates the puck out and goes deep more often than the other. In our case I'd say Orlov would be more of the rover because he has shown to be fantastic at skating the puck out and deking his way into the zone. Carlson would fit well as the trailing guy with the killer slapshot. But generally whoever gets the puck can start the rush and the other adjusts to cover for him. Likewise, whoever is closest to the puck can pinch and make a heads up offensive play. Whoever makes a keep-in at the blueline can make a heads up offensive play. That's what makes those pairings so effective. When you have a pairing like Schultz-Green, one guy has to jump through hoops to get the puck to the other guy, which is predictable, risky, and gives the other team time to set up on defense or kill the play altogether. If either of Orlov or Carlson get the puck, they just turn the jets on and the other team is on their heels, with the guy who doesn't have the puck in a more defensive mindset. A lot of it rests on their ability to anticipate when the play is about to get broken but I'd say both of them have been pretty good at that (not Alzner good but then again who is).


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12-17-2011, 02:53 PM
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most of those pairs are veterans or dont apply. coburn is a d first defenseman. suter is a d first defenseman. lidstrom and rafalski are top end very veteran defensemen.

carlson is a player the caps need at his best. not babysitting a rookie. orlov is a rookie and has his minutes managed. he is not nearly ready to be on the ice when carlson needs to be on the ice. this is without considering that the caps best shutdown d pair is 27 and 74.

anyway...green is not going to play for a very long time. his injury is serious.

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12-17-2011, 03:08 PM
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Suter is also the best playmaker on the Predators and regularly carries the puck behind the opposing net and sets up key offensive plays. Even moreso than Weber who's biggest offensive ability is his shot. Coburn is basically Carlson in a Flyers jersey put with a very crafty veteran rover.

Have we seen a single instance where Orlov needed to be babysat or bailed out? So far he's been the one in the driver's seat, consistently. I'd concede this point if Orlov was struggling with his "sheltered" minutes, but he's not. He was brought up for our worst team stretch in the past 4 years and the worst he's been was a -2 in a game that the team got completely dominated in. He doesn't get beat to pucks, he stands people up in the neutral zone, yeah he chases when other teams cycle but no more than anyone else. He's not struggling with 19 minutes a game, I doubt he would start collapsing with 22.

I'd much rather have Carlson babysit Orlov than Schultz or Hamrlik (assuming Alzner babysits Green). And he's had zero chemistry with Erskine. I also don't remember these concerns when we had Alzner and Carlson, two rookies, babysitting each other while playing 25 minutes a game.

That said, by the time Green gets back in late January or February I believe Orlov won't leave them any room for the decision.


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i think most of us, i certainly thought two rookies together was a bad idea. that said those two are a rare case. a very rare case. dont expect to see that repeated

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12-17-2011, 03:40 PM
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Most teams don't have two rookie/2nd/3rd year defensemen capable of top 4 caliber two way play to put with each other. And when they do, they generally have hand-picked vets that complement them. But just off the top of my head, Cowen-Karlsson has been lights out, Gardiner-Schenn pretty good too, Josi and Blum have played well together and I'm not sure but I feel like Kulikov and Gudbranson have been a pairing for the panthers. None of the players on those lines are older than Carlson. It all seems to depend on how well the players fit together and how much they've adjusted to the game. To me it comes down to the team being better set to win with Orlov in instead of Hamrlik or Schultz and Carlson being the only one he'd fit with when Green is back. Hell DH put Carlson out of position with Wideman in Ottawa who gets more lost than Orlov out there.

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12-17-2011, 04:40 PM
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Why can't Orlov play LD. He's a left shot, I'd imagine he plays RD more out of necessity since everyone and their mother generally shoots left.

Alzner Green
Orlov Carlson
Hamrlik/Erskine Wideman

That's the best roster we can ice IMO.
He can, but every single person I listed can play on the opposite side if need be. They may not be great at it, but if our RD get clobbered rest assured one of our LD's will move over in a jiffy. So i tried to keep it simple.

I think Orlov is our 6 with Green out, but only our 8 when all are healthy. If Sarge falls flat in his debut, then maybe Orlov vaults him. Its tough to project Green in our lineup anytime soon though. If Green comes back, someone else may be injured anyways.

I am projecting Orlov at RD long term. I suspect Wideman or Green won't be here next year. Or if here, on IR.

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12-17-2011, 05:12 PM
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Man the Bruins beat up and beat the Flyers easily.
That seems like a Hunter type of team.

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you would scratch wideman in favor of orlov? besides carlson and orlov are not a pairing you will see
To the contrary, that is a pairing that I've already seen. It was used during portions of the 3rd period against Winnipeg. JJ/Hunter are not as committed to their defined pairings as Woods/Boudreau. The pairings change regularly throughout the game, it seems.

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12-17-2011, 07:08 PM
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Man the Bruins beat up and beat the Flyers easily.
That seems like a Hunter type of team.
You'd think a McPhee type of team too. What little I saw of the finals, Boston seemed to have relegated the Sedins to PP specialists, if that. I know Thomas gets lots of credit but they seemed like they roughed up the Nucks pretty good. Injuries in a playoff series are huge, a big factor. The walking wounded, a liability, but "better than a <presumed hungry and healthy> callup.

I sure hope Ward hits alot more when the playoffs start. We need to be tougher to play against.


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most of those pairs are veterans or dont apply. coburn is a d first defenseman. suter is a d first defenseman. lidstrom and rafalski are top end very veteran defensemen.

carlson is a player the caps need at his best. not babysitting a rookie. orlov is a rookie and has his minutes managed. he is not nearly ready to be on the ice when carlson needs to be on the ice. this is without considering that the caps best shutdown d pair is 27 and 74.

anyway...green is not going to play for a very long time. his injury is serious.
I've missed the Green news. "his injury is serious"? What's up?

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