When in our own zone, why do we constantly just get the puck down low, spin around and blindly throw it around the boards behind the net?
I know our defense is horrible (sorry Theo) but this has to be bad coaching and bad system, too. It's like the d are trained to throw the puck back or blindly reverse it when panicked. It's been happening for years.
I agree some of Renneys tactics puzzling. I can't stand this scenario.....Hemsky receives a wrap aorund along the boards and the LW, say Hall, starts out full speed at the RW board along the blue line rather more vertically at the red line. It drives me nuts as the centre coming up the ice is supporting them leaving us with usually three guys in a 10 ft radius of each other.
When in our own zone, why do we constantly just get the puck down low, spin around and blindly throw it around the boards behind the net?
I know our defense is horrible (sorry Theo) but this has to be bad coaching and bad system, too. It's like the d are trained to throw the puck back or blindly reverse it when panicked. It's been happening for years.
No, it's just that our d-men are league-worst, and by a fair margin. Don't blame the players themselves, or the coaches. This is Tambellini's brown-line crew.
Can you please tell us all what kind of breakout strategy you would like to see and then ask yourself if we have the defensemen needed to deploy such a strategy.
Can you please tell us all what kind of breakout strategy you would like to see and then ask yourself if we have the defensemen needed to deploy such a strategy.
Not sure, to be honest, but if that's going to be our damn strategy than can somebody at least be there for that wrap around? Can the dman or whoever that's doing it know that somebody needs to be along the boards to pick up the outlet and not wire it hard off the glass in panic?
No, it's just that our d-men are league-worst, and by a fair margin. Don't blame the players themselves, or the coaches. This is Tambellini's brown-line crew.
This will be post of the thread. It says it all.
This is not a good transition D right now with Whitney still finding his way. Plus we have young players not playing very good puck support and getting pressured tonight by a vet performance that was just too much.
This isn't about transition, its about losing battles and getting owned all night long.
question.....would u guys have rather keppy lubo or stick with whitney....not hating on whitney at all, love the guy, but i find that lubo may be the better puck mover
Steve Smith is teaching our Dmen, that the puck is actually hand grenade.
Rather than have a calming influence on the back-end and make smart heads-up plays, he teaches that they need to go into a full-blown panic whenever a forechecker crosses into the blue paint.
Dump-ins should also be handled like an elementary school fire drill.
question.....would u guys have rather keppy lubo or stick with whitney....not hating on whitney at all, love the guy, but i find that lubo may be the better puck mover
Lubo wanted out, unfortunately. Also unfortunately, Tambo must have forgotten to check Whitney's medical history before declaring him to be the best possible return.
Lubo wanted out, unfortunately. Also unfortunately, Tambo must have forgotten to check Whitney's medical history before declaring him to be the best possible return.
Edmonton needed a bigger guy and Lubo was injury prone as an Oiler as well.
Come on people. When players can not execute simple passes from 1 feet away from their blueline. Are we really blaming the coach?
Couple simple cases in point last night.
Gilbert has the puck in is own zone. Two Phoenix defenders are chasing, he is two feet away from the blueline and no one is behind him. All he has to do is turn back and made a pass to Smid who was wide open on the other side. Instead he chips it right to the Phoenix player.
RNH is at the boards, simple play off the boards, instead he tries to make a pass through two defenders toward the centre of the ice and it gets picked off. Pheonix scores about 25 seconds later.
I could go on and on. This is simple lack of execution, not coaching.
Come on people. When players can not execute simple passes from 1 feet away from their blueline. Are we really blaming the coach?
Couple simple cases in point last night.
Gilbert has the puck in is own zone. Two Phoenix defenders are chasing, he is two feet away from the blueline and no one is behind him. All he has to do is turn back and made a pass to Smid who was wide open on the other side. Instead he chips it right to the Phoenix player.
RNH is at the boards, simple play off the boards, instead he tries to make a pass through two defenders toward the centre of the ice and it gets picked off. Pheonix scores about 25 seconds later.
I could go on and on. This is simple lack of execution, not coaching.
Exactly.
People are confusing a lack of a system with an inability to execute a system. There was so much poor decision making by the players last game I was left shaking my head through most of it.
Its tough to watch a team execute as poorly as this team did last night. Then to come on here and see people blaming the coach is perplexing to say the least.
Exactly.
People are confusing a lack of a system with an inability to execute a system. There was so much poor decision making by the players last game I was left shaking my head through most of it.
Its tough to watch a team execute as poorly as this team did last night. Then to come on here and see people blaming the coach is perplexing to say the least.
The players simply weren't playng the system. Our "breakout" systems requires at least a moment for the D to move the puck. This requires forwards playing out their NZ commitment and forcing opponents to dump and chase and giving a moment for our D to corral the puck. Which has then been moved with fast passes to players that make themselves available in concerted puck support.
When heat comes in like incoming missiles, and forwards wander around with thumbs up ***** mumbling about "oh no, own zone again" we don't have a break out to employ. What we have instead is being suffocated by a blanket of close checking.
The desperate dumps along the boards and icing the puck occur when the team is simply not executing the system. Its the result of a team not collectively playing its breakout system.
Steve Smith is teaching our Dmen, that the puck is actually hand grenade.
Rather than have a calming influence on the back-end and make smart heads-up plays, he teaches that they need to go into a full-blown panic whenever a forechecker crosses into the blue paint.
Dump-ins should also be handled like an elementary school fire drill.
Steve Smith played/lived/breathed the highest levels of hockey pretty much his whole life. Trashing his knowledge is pointless and very unwarranted, give it up.
Steve Smith played/lived/breathed the highest levels of hockey pretty much his whole life. Trashing his knowledge is pointless and very unwarranted, give it up.
Good player and good knowledge doesn't automatically = good coach.
Steve Smith played/lived/breathed the highest levels of hockey pretty much his whole life. Trashing his knowledge is pointless and very unwarranted, give it up.
Yeah I'm sure he teaches players to panic and consider the puck a handgrenade..
It seems like every opinion possible gets expressed on the internet. If anything Smith at prime was a picture of calm out on the ice.
Exactly.
People are confusing a lack of a system with an inability to execute a system. There was so much poor decision making by the players last game I was left shaking my head through most of it.
Its tough to watch a team execute as poorly as this team did last night. Then to come on here and see people blaming the coach is perplexing to say the least.
Yep.
MacT was the problem. Oops not.
Quinn was the problem. Oops not.
Now Renney is the problem. Umm.....
It is a rebuilding team that was projected to be bad, there is no problem, excepting a bad defence that has trouble getting the puck to the forwards. What part of that wasn't predicted?
This team has growing pains? What part of that was not predicted.
So let us get a shiny new coach. That will save the day. Sort of like lets trade Gagner PLUS for Turris which is in another thread.
When in our own zone, why do we constantly just get the puck down low, spin around and blindly throw it around the boards behind the net?
I know our defense is horrible (sorry Theo) but this has to be bad coaching and bad system, too. It's like the d are trained to throw the puck back or blindly reverse it when panicked. It's been happening for years.
If it's been happening for years, and the Oilers have had three coaches in four years - it's probably not the coaching is it? Were you noticing the breakout problem when the Oilers were winning in the first 10 games?
The constant over the last several years has been the poor quality of the players, specifically defensemen.
It's very simple, we don't have the firepower from the backend. I don't think it's a coincidence that after Barker and Potter went down our record plummeted. Barker is our only defender who can make the stretch pass with the way Whitney's playing. We need one more guy who can hit Guys in full stride through the neutral zone and not be a liability in their own end. We also need a bomb from the point for our PP but that's another thread.
I would think that Tambo left the back end week just so we could get another high end pick, yet still show the fans---hey look who we signed upfront we should be better.
How else does him saying he is happy with our defense make any sense
It is a rebuilding team that was projected to be bad, there is no problem, excepting a bad defence that has trouble getting the puck to the forwards. What part of that wasn't predicted?
This team has growing pains? What part of that was not predicted.
So let us get a shiny new coach. That will save the day. Sort of like lets trade Gagner PLUS for Turris which is in another thread.
Here is a problem. Expectations that the coaches themselves and management put out there and then when they utterly fail to live up to it we go back to the old 'rebuilding' bit. If the coaches and management do not want flack then shut the hell up after the season or in pre-season when we get lofty and terse comments about how much better we will be and where we expect to be the next year.
Secondly, tell us when we can expect results. Next year? The year after? Just tell the fans when they can actually expect to start to do well and we'll all be happy. We'll accept that yes indeed we are going to be garbage for two more years but then we are going to be good. Next year we'll draft a good D man but then we will have to 'wait' for him to develop.
Hey we are realistic enough to know the team needs work and we know they are going to lose their fair share. What is not acceptable is turning in garbage performances while losing and vets being as big of culprits as the kids.
