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02-08-2012, 05:27 PM
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I can Pirri being a second line center, but not on a legit Cup contending team. His defense won't be there IMO.

Disagree with McNeil. Did you see him stick up for his teammate earlier this week and drop the gloves when his teammate took a cheap shot? Thats exactly what this team needs, but from someone who can fill a top 6 role, which I think he will be able to do in 2-3 years.
Pirri is only 20. He has very obviously good offensive instincts. Why don't you think his defense can get to a good level when it is already decent (IMO) at age 20?

I really hope you guys are right about McNeil. I would love to be wrong. He just seems to look lost most of the time I watch him (admittedly, I'm sure some of you have seen him play much more than I have).

Personally, I am not sure I want to trade away ANY of our center prospects, even McNeill who I am not high on. Even if he only has a small chance of becoming an impact NHLer. Any potential impact center we should be keeping. It is just too hard to pick those kind of guys up in a trade.

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02-08-2012, 05:32 PM
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Pirri is only 20. He has very obviously good offensive instincts. Why don't you think his defense can get to a good level when it is already decent (IMO) at age 20?

I really hope you guys are right about McNeil. I would love to be wrong. He just seems to look lost most of the time I watch him (admittedly, I'm sure some of you have seen him play much more than I have).

Personally, I am not sure I want to trade away ANY of our center prospects, even McNeill who I am not high on. Even if he only has a small chance of becoming an impact NHLer. Any potential impact center we should be keeping. It is just too hard to pick those kind of guys up in a trade.
Just don't see the tools or effort on that end, but I also hope I'm wrong.

I haven't seen him much, but his numbers after a slow start have been fantastic. Won't say he doesnt looks lost as it wouldn't be straight from my eyes... But nothing I've read from those who have been watching closely would suggest such after his first rough month or so.

I guess for me it comes down to this: if Pirri can't cut it offensively to stick on the 2nd line, he is useless as he won't fit on a 3rd or 4th line. If McNeil can't cut it on the second line, he can bring his size and grit to make an impact on the 3rd or 4th line and still contribute to the team.

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02-08-2012, 06:22 PM
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Just don't see the tools or effort on that end, but I also hope I'm wrong.

I haven't seen him much, but his numbers after a slow start have been fantastic. Won't say he doesnt looks lost as it wouldn't be straight from my eyes... But nothing I've read from those who have been watching closely would suggest such after his first rough month or so.

I guess for me it comes down to this: if Pirri can't cut it offensively to stick on the 2nd line, he is useless as he won't fit on a 3rd or 4th line. If McNeil can't cut it on the second line, he can bring his size and grit to make an impact on the 3rd or 4th line and still contribute to the team.
I've heard the opposite about Pirri. That typically, defense can be taught, scoring ability and offensive talent..well...that's harder to come by. And by all accounts I've heard, Pirri is very coachable and wants to develop his total game. He's not ready yet, but in a year or two, he could be a fantastic player.

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02-08-2012, 06:28 PM
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I've heard the opposite about Pirri. That typically, defense can be taught, scoring ability and offensive talent..well...that's harder to come by. And by all accounts I've heard, Pirri is very coachable and wants to develop his total game. He's not ready yet, but in a year or two, he could be a fantastic player.
You know what, I'll retract what I said in that aspect. We did turn Fro into a pretty damn good defensive specialist, which he certainly was not when he came here.

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02-08-2012, 06:58 PM
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This is the first time that I almost kind of predicted something with Bowman. I started advocating to get Burish back a few weeks ago. Some didn't believe we had the room for him. I feel accomplished now.



Sutton would be a decent pickup. I prefer Kubina, but it's better than what we have right now in O'Donnell and Lepisto.

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02-08-2012, 09:14 PM
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There were rumors about the Oilers' Smid last year, but Campoli ended up being the guy. Is Smid a possibility this year?

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02-08-2012, 09:31 PM
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Smid would be a master stroke by Bowman but seems unrealistic unless Tambo really likes someone like Kruger, Morin, Beach, Olsen.

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02-08-2012, 09:38 PM
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Smid would be a master stroke by Bowman but seems unrealistic unless Tambo really likes someone like Kruger, Morin, Beach, Olsen.
One of options 1, 2, or 4 would be necessary to get Smid. We might have to add more.

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02-08-2012, 09:54 PM
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Smid would be a master stroke by Bowman but seems unrealistic unless Tambo really likes someone like Kruger, Morin, Beach, Olsen.
Kruger, Morin and Olsen are all nice pieces, but we can't afford to be letting NHL defensemen go, and Smid's probably been our most consistent this year. Last year around the same time, I would have probably been for a trade for one of those 3, but he's seemed to finally put it all together this year.

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02-09-2012, 05:20 AM
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Neither is Miller, or any other goalie not named Thomas, Rinne, or Lundqvist
Give me Miller, Nabby, Harding, Montoya, Lindback or whoever over what we have.


and if Salak won't make it, go and get D Endras from the Wilds system.

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02-09-2012, 08:14 AM
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Who cares if Pirri does translate? We don't need palyers like him in Chicago. We need guys who will win battles in the corner and do the dirty work. Kruger, Pirri, Smith, don't fit that bill at all.

I'm not saying trade these guys for picks, I'm saying trade them for something that will help now and develop the bigger boys to compliment our core and hope they pan out. All the guys I listed to keep have just as good of a chance to pan out as the list of tradable players including Pirri and Kruger.
When did we stop needing another good offensive center? Because we definitely don't have one now, except for #19. You could argue that McNeill might be able to fill that role, but McNeill is no more of a sure thing than Pirri is (probably even less sure without AHL experience).

You're saying we should trade our 20-year-old AHL All-Star for a bottom six rental. Our other (more proven) AHL All-Star fetched us the great Brendan Morrison. Do you really think that duplicating that kind of "success" with Pirri will really put this team over the top?

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02-09-2012, 08:59 AM
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Interesting.

http://300level.net/?p=3243

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02-09-2012, 09:06 AM
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I heard the same thing during the Cup year, "that the players did not respect Q"

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02-09-2012, 09:35 AM
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Watching the on ice product certainly shows that there are far deeper problems than just the talent. Lately the Hawks have shown no heart or determination and certainly points to dissention in the dressing room or between the players and coaches.

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02-09-2012, 09:47 AM
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Speaking to a friend of mine at hockey last night and he told me that Hal Gill is dynamite on the PK but shouldn't play any more than like 14 minutes a game. If we did get Gill I'd set the D up as follows:

Keith/Monty
Seabs/Hammer
Leddy/Gill

Seabs and Keith one PK and Hammer and Gill on the other unit

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02-09-2012, 12:56 PM
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We don't need a Sutton or Gill guy. We need a guy that limits Leddys minutes and keeps Montys down

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02-09-2012, 03:19 PM
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We don't need a Sutton or Gill guy. We need a guy that limits Leddys minutes and keeps Montys down
Monty's minutes are staying down just fine on their own. It's the Top 4 that need their minutes reduced.

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02-09-2012, 04:57 PM
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Monty's minutes are staying down just fine on their own. It's the Top 4 that need their minutes reduced.
look at the post above mine.


this guy has Monty with Keith

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02-09-2012, 05:10 PM
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Gill would be Ok , Sutton would be OK, Grossman would be good.

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02-09-2012, 05:43 PM
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look at the post above mine.


this guy has Monty with Keith
LOL. Ok, that's...ambitious...

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02-10-2012, 05:28 AM
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that's what I'm saying

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Sutton re-signs with the Oilers

Rumor is the Islanders are trying to resign Nabokov

Who's left that would actually make a difference?

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02-12-2012, 09:35 AM
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Sutton re-signs with the Oilers

Rumor is the Islanders are trying to resign Nabokov

Who's left that would actually make a difference?
Nobody. Pee on the fire and prepare the young guys for next season. This team stinks.

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Stanblow continues to sit on his hands and watch d-men receive extensions. He did the same thing last year and through free agency. This should have been done as soon as he unloaded Campbell and Campoli. He probably feels guilty that he has to fire Q after all the rookie gm errors he made the past two offseasons.

Also, Stan and his Dad should be held accountable for letting Q and his BFF run the same pk and D scheme for two years. Can someone tell me what are the senior advisor's job responsibilities? I would have to guess game planning would be at the top of his list!

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02-12-2012, 10:51 AM
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we are screwed, nobody will be available come playoff time. Only way this turns around is if they get a coaching change and they all get to have a fresh start. Goaltending will still be bad though.

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