I'm stuck in VI this season and that's how I'm looking. I was wondering who I should look to upgrade but now that I've realized both Perett and Bowry are -3 it's looking like them.
Thibaults the best player in the league by about 60 AI
Anyway any words of wisdom as to where I should go from there would be appreciated.
You can always upgrade some spots, but it's easier said than done lol I'm in the same situation.
Anyway if you're looking to spend I guess you could try to upgrade on some of the max-3 players you have.. Olivier, Benedict or Hernandez.
It's tough though because they all have nice qualities (Olivier +3, Benedict is u20, Hernandez has nice exp)
The other possibility is when you find out the loyalties of those two top 17 year olds you might want to sell and find a similar +loyalty guy.
One of the 17s is showing high, I think I'm just gonna go ahead and sell him now rather than wait. The market for 17s is always crazy early, who knows what I'll get for him. Meanwhile, I'll try to find an upgrade with + loyalty that doesn't cost a billion dollars.
Actually both of them are showing high. I feel like I could sell both of them and land two really good + players.
Last edited by GirouxGiroux: 12-18-2011 at 01:44 PM.
This game is ****ing with me. First there's this guy:
19yo 116AI 95Q/59P. And +2. (with 79Shot 37Pass and nothing else)
And then another Vernon. Better than Vernon?
17yo 70AI 100Q/65P. ?- loyalty. (46O 24P and nothing else)
Son of a *****.
Those AI distributions are fine but the potentials clearly hurt. Most of my pulls had <50Q, one with early 60s. My 18 year-old with 87 AI carried over from last season turned out to be 85/88/-3 (surprise, surprise).
Looking at my lineup, I may have seven players on my top two lines that hopefully will have a shot at being on the NT later on. Or at least I hope so. Would be very cool.
Hey! It's nice that you updated the list but I'm in II.2 now Four or something promotions in row without doing a full rebuild ever, finally let my team grow older than 22-25 year old on average. Highly unlikely to promote to Finnish I.1 this season unless I get very lucky.
Had a great 16yo player with 2 needles on him for this season but his pathetic potential makes him useless in the long run. Q94 & starting AI of 71 should get some money out of him though.
I have been busy with university so I haven't paid that much attention or thoughts on HA for the previous season. Failed to win the playoff trophy in a tight series: 1-0 win, 5-6 loss on 4th OT, 1-2 loss and I got eliminated out of the SUPER tourney just before getting in the top 4 by a hot goalie who saved all my million shots while my goalie scores 2 on himself from a dozen shots he faced.
Hey! It's nice that you updated the list but I'm in II.2 now Four or something promotions in row without doing a full rebuild ever, finally let my team grow older than 22-25 year old on average. Highly unlikely to promote to Finnish I.1 this season unless I get very lucky.
Had a great 16yo player with 2 needles on him for this season but his pathetic potential makes him useless in the long run. Q94 & starting AI of 71 should get some money out of him though.
I have been busy with university so I haven't paid that much attention or thoughts on HA for the previous season. Failed to win the playoff trophy in a tight series: 1-0 win, 5-6 loss on 4th OT, 1-2 loss and I got eliminated out of the SUPER tourney just before getting in the top 4 by a hot goalie who saved all my million shots while my goalie scores 2 on himself from a dozen shots he faced.
Impressive but how are your finances holding up?
The update was pretty good for me, as my just turned 18 stud I bought for 400 mill has +3 loyalty. I also got a 92/76, 17 year, 64 ai yp, minus loyalty, but he is on the market due to low pot.
I have started scouting players and the below ones arent that good, but here they are anyway. I have a found a stud for NHL though, but it is gonna be interesting to see how high he goes.
My finances could be doing a lot better because I haven't paid enough close attention to HA for few seasons. For example I haven't remembered to sell my train&sells and so on and I have made a couple of overpaid "loan player" purchases on the way Still I'm very healthy on money though, couple billions sitting in the bank and no big UFAs in the horizon. That and I have tons of excess players to sell for cash. Had I known the inflation would get like this I would have done a full rebuild a couple seasons ago with the billions...
Soon I have to look for ~one younger line though but the hard part is that they won't grow good enough on experience here (many teams doing full age cuts/rebuilds that offer their youngsters the best ice times meaning your players will always be inferior then) unless they get serious playing time in the first lines but if you offer that kind of time, you start dropping down leagues fast so the worse experience multiplier starts eating your backbone. I have few old plans for this situation so I'll test them out and see how they work in action to stay on top for a longer while.
I'm not expecting to be at the top or compete internationally like this though, too weak team for that but maybe by year 2020 so have fun dominating the world until around there with your awesome team.
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Originally Posted by Forsbergwannabe
The update was pretty good for me, as my just turned 18 stud I bought for 400 mill has +3 loyalty. I also got a 92/76, 17 year, 64 ai yp, minus loyalty, but he is on the market due to low pot.
Jim Cole - 17 YO, ?77 Q, ?91 P, ?27 AI, Offense
Leland Brown - 18 YO, 76Q, ?53 P, ?43 AI, Offense
Both players are worthless, right?
Not necessarily. I have no idea how much starting AI a youth school @20% gives nowadays but for example the 17 year old one could turn out really great if his quality is showing down a lot. There can be as much difference as 24(?) or so in the quality it's showing and how high it really is. Of course it can go the wrong way too - to a worse quality. But seeing how you got rid of him already, I'm going to say he was probably Q60 loser!
The 18 year old one will never be anything great, though/either.
My best pull this week was an 18yo 72Q, AI was 45 Strength, 24 self control.
Tujague, we meet again so soon!
I'm going on Very High (I talked icko into creating a special motivation level just for this game) with an eleventybilliondollar win bonus.
Or I'll play on Normal with a 50K bonus. One or the other.
Oops. I won before I even submitted the reply
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Originally Posted by NHL33
Those AI distributions are fine but the potentials clearly hurt. Most of my pulls had <50Q, one with early 60s. My 18 year-old with 87 AI carried over from last season turned out to be 85/88/-3 (surprise, surprise).
The Potentials are just killing me. I haven't had a great player in a very long time
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Originally Posted by Go For It
For my first youth pull, I have:
Jim Cole - 17 YO, ?77 Q, ?91 P, ?27 AI, Offense
Leland Brown - 18 YO, 76Q, ?53 P, ?43 AI, Offense
Both players are worthless, right?
No. Those are solid players for a new team. Of course it depends on their scouted numbers. But 70+Q is what you should be looking for. If you want, I can scout Jim Cole for you. He has the chance to be really good. Or at least make you some money. Post a link when you pull him.
I have a found a stud for NHL though, but it is gonna be interesting to see how high he goes.
Already well over half a billion. I'll pass given that I only have $3.8B -- should be able to get at least $200-300M more in the next 10 days -- to spend on 9 players.
No. Those are solid players for a new team. Of course it depends on their scouted numbers. But 70+Q is what you should be looking for. If you want, I can scout Jim Cole for you. He has the chance to be really good. Or at least make you some money. Post a link when you pull him.
So I should pull Cole right away without leaving him in the YA? In general, what's the benefit of leaving someone in the academy and not pulling them?
I normally pull youth based on two factors (note that all my facilities are at 100%):
1. If they are 19 years old then they are immediately pulled
2. If they show promising Q&P; e.g. 70 to 75Q or higher at 17 could be scout worthy in case the actual Q/P is higher
Usually it's a matter of firing the garbage that is pulled or leaving the mediocrity in the facilities until they hit 19. For you, if you get decent looking players then you'll want to leave them in the academy because their AI when they are pulled later (due to a more developed Youth School) will likely outweigh what they would otherwise have if you pulled them now and trained them up (due to poor T&R facilities).
The reason why Cole should be pulled immediately is that if his quality is halfway decent then you can sell him off (keeping him would be a poor decision given the T&R you have) for a decent amount of cash due to the high potential. Pull now and we'll scout him for you.
So I should pull Cole right away without leaving him in the YA? In general, what's the benefit of leaving someone in the academy and not pulling them?
It's mostly because of how the youth pull system works and the fact that the players don't really exist until you promote them to your team. And different ages have different AI ranges. These ranges are no longer exact (it was changed slightly to make it harder to guess a players Q), but imagine a level 100 YS.
A 17yo could have between 30 & 60 AI.
18yo would have 60-90.
And 19yo would be 90-120.
So if I pull a 17yo early in the season, let's say he has 60AI, he can play/train all season and gain 35+AI by the time he turns 18. He'd have 95AI now and some valuable experience. If I pull that same 17yo late in the season, he might only add 15AI before he turns 18. Which means he only has 75AI. However, since the player doesn't really exist until you promote them, you can leave that 17yo with 60AI in the youth school until he turns 18. When you pull him, he would now be pulled using the 18yo AI range. Which means he would have 90AI.
Which players would you leave in there and which would you pull? I generally leave anyone in there that I can't use immediately. Or sell immediately.
Good 17yos pulled early in the season are always coveted. If Cole is really good, and you can play him a lot (yes, he'll probably cost you some games), then he could potentially be a really good player for you. Or, if he's got really good Q/P, you could just sell him for a lot of money. How much money? I have no idea. The market is insane and inconsistent. If he's good, I would think 50M would be easy to get. Probably a lot more than that if the Q/P are both above 80.
tujague, looking back there was an old post by forsberg that I feel should be added to the first post of the thread. The rough guide for max skill level for each attribute for different positions. Quoting it again for reference:
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Originally Posted by Forsbergwannabe
I havent played PPM, but in HA there is definitely some sort of diminishing return on secondaries. The practical max skill is 1,5 x the players quality, but only attack, shot and defense should ever be close to that max imo. Based on my experience the below templates serve as a rough guide for the effectively max skill level on any ai player.
It's tough sledding right now, which isn't unexpected. I just have to try to be patient and wait for prices to drop a little. And they will drop... a little. First week is always hell trying to buy 17 year olds.
I'm not confident I could buy a 90/82/+ 17 year old for 300 mill right now, and that's if I could find one with a starting price less than that.
I put my two 17s up for 350 mill a piece. I'm almost hoping they don't sell so I can just go with them even though they aren't ideal.
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Still I'm very healthy on money though, couple billions sitting in the bank and no big UFAs in the horizon. That and I have tons of excess players to sell for cash. Had I known the inflation would get like this I would have done a full rebuild a couple seasons ago with the billions...
This is gonna be a long season for me.
