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Jacques Martin FIRED!

View Poll Results: What do you think about the Martin firing?
Right timing (Good riddance) 30 11.76%
Finally (Should have happened sooner) 152 59.61%
Surprised (they didn't wait until later in the season) 48 18.82%
Should have kept him as coach. 25 9.80%
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12-17-2011, 04:38 PM
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Am I the only one around here hoping a bunch of good NHL coaches get the can this offseason?

**** Roy, or whoever else is at the bottom of the barrel.

Give me a legit coach.

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12-17-2011, 04:42 PM
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Being great as a player doesn't necessarily translate to coaching/GM success. Ask Wayne Gretzky. Heck, we already had an ex-hab player who won Stanley Cups, but failed as a head coach in Carbonneau. Enough is enough. Roy quit on his team as a player and wanted to be traded. That was a selfish move on his part. His temper is well noted especially in the infamous game with his son fighting and causing a brawl inspired by Roy himself. Totally irresponsible. Passionate, yes. Coaching temperament, no. I for one am getting tired of the Habs breaking in new coaches and going through their growing pains.
No, management quit on him when the coach, who was known to hate Roy, went on to humiliate him. There was absolutely no reason for Roy to be left in for nine goals, and he even said had he been told to sit after the first period, none of the subsequent fall out would have happened. He demanded a trade or the coach fired because he felt the current situation was far too hostile.

While Roy may not be the immediate choice, you speak as though he has no chance of adapting to the NHL level. Has he not been successful thus far in coaching? This is would differs him from say, Gretzky or Carbonneau, neither of whom had much of any experience; the former chosen in hopes of attracting attention to a dying market, the latter merely another failure because this organization has a language preference over a winning one.

For now I am content with Randy and hope he does fantastically well just to prove fans care more about winning than French. What fan would cry foul on a coach who took a disastrous season and dragged it to being a success?

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Am I the only one around here hoping a bunch of good NHL coaches get the can this offseason?

**** Roy, or whoever else is at the bottom of the barrel.

Give me a legit coach.
My thoughts exactly. Let some other team break in a new NHL coach and go through their growing pains. Let someone else hire Roy and find out if he's good or not only to be grabbed by another team if and when he's found his place as a legitimate NHL coach with a legitimate track record at this level. Coaching success in junior hockey is a different animal.

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Ok...

This thread deserves a 1000 in the first 6 hours

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No, management quit on him when the coach, who was known to hate Roy, went on to humiliate him. There was absolutely no reason for Roy to be left in for nine goals, and he even said had he been told to sit after the first period, none of the subsequent fall out would have happened. He demanded a trade or the coach fired because he felt the current situation was far too hostile.

While Roy may not be the immediate choice, you speak as though he has no chance of adapting to the NHL level. Has he not been successful thus far in coaching? This is would differs him from say, Gretzky or Carbonneau, neither of whom had much of any experience; the former chosen in hopes of attracting attention to a dying market, the latter merely another failure because this organization has a language preference over a winning one.

For now I am content with Randy and hope he does fantastically well just to prove fans care more about winning than French. What fan would cry foul on a coach who took a disastrous season and dragged it to being a success?
While it may seem that way, read some of my other responses and you'll see that I'm not prepared to go through the growing pains of a new NHL coach to find out if he's going to make it or not. I'm tired of it. Montreal breaks in new rookie coaches only to have other teams benefit (or not) from their experience with the Habs. All I'm saying is I don't want to roll the dice with rookie head coaches anymore. I don't care if he's coached junior hockey, college hockey, midget hockey. Doesn't matter to me. The NHL is a different brand/level especially as a Montreal Canadiens head coach. So, I'll pass.

Edit: Let someone else hire Roy, break him in, find out if he's got what it takes as NHL head coach, then a few years later attempt snatching him up if he's available (or not). Let's do the opposite for a change.


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No, management quit on him when the coach, who was known to hate Roy, went on to humiliate him?
Roy was way more valuable to use than Tremblay, that's for sure. I still wonder if players would get along with him though. I am not counting him out, just saying, that incident aside, Roy does have a personality that might not be easy to work with.

On the other hand, he has a winner's passion.

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It will be interesting to see if Gomez plays better under cunneyworth

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we are in agreement.
So basically you came in here to Troll us right ?

Must be a better conversation going on over at your board no ?

I mean with this terrible Habs team going by you in the standings !

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All I'm saying is I don't want to roll the dice with rookie head coaches anymore.
He won the cup as a rookie before though.

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Funny people are propping up Roy as a rookie coach, despite him getting traded because of mistakes on the part of a rookie coach.

Things do amuse me on this board.

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Funny people are propping up Roy as a rookie coach, despite him getting traded because of mistakes on the part of a rookie coach.
So crazy it just might work?

There is always that other side to it. People suggesting it are not dumb. Plus we have been under Patrick's curse for years now. Could this be the answer?

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12-17-2011, 05:03 PM
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Roy was way more valuable to use than Tremblay, that's for sure. I still wonder if players would get along with him though. I am not counting him out, just saying, that incident aside, Roy does have a personality that might not be easy to work with.

On the other hand, he has a winner's passion.
So, if that's the case, you tell Roy that you will fire Tremblay and keep him there.

Roy was angry and frustrated, he obviously did not get along with MT, so the next day, after a night of sleep, you pretty much make everything possible in order to keep the best goaler in the NHL. You don't trade him asap.

Nothing forced management to move Roy as fast as they did.

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Mixed emotions on this one....on one hand glad to see Martin's bland, poor in-game coaching gone, but on the other, disappointed that there is no true replacement.

The Canadiens organization seems to be writing off this season, and preparing to put it all on the back of Martin if this train goes off the track.

Struggling through the rest of the season with JM as a coach, while the organization actively seeked out a new coach would have been a far superior move, in my opinion, than simply canning JM and promoting an interim.

This is more optics, than good management, as far as I'm concerned.

In JM's defence you can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear.

Also, keep Roy away from this team.....far, far away.

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next to get fired.....i would pick Pierre gauthier

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Lindy Ruff....could you imagine?

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Gawd the folks at RDS are so ******** over this... What a bunch of clowns.
"Yeah well how will people in Chibougamau understand what he says?! HUH?!"

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That's the definiton of a joke right there....

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So, if that's the case, you tell Roy that you will fire Tremblay and keep him there.
Not disagreeing with you here. You don't like to let players call the shots all the time, but that was a situation where you definitely fire the coach first. Roy carried the Habs to two cups. Roy was a superstar champion.

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So basically you came in here to Troll us right ?

Must be a better conversation going on over at your board no ?

I mean with this terrible Habs team going by you in the standings !
no. i'm interested in the fans' reaction.

often times a GM under pressure will fire a coach as relief, but really it's still a reality of a GM under pressure. i think this is possibly the start of something:

1st coach
2nd general manager

it's only speculation, but would you agree?


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So crazy it just might work?

There is always that other side to it. People suggesting it are not dumb. Plus we have been under Patrick's curse for years now. Could this be the answer?
I never said they were dumb.

But why go with the option with such a high risk, when there will inevitably be other candidates both much more qualified and with less baggage?

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no. i'm interested in the fans' reaction.

often times a GM under pressure will fired a coach as relief, but really it's still a reality of a GM under pressure. i think this is possibly a start of something:

1st coach
2nd general manager

it's only speculation, but would you agree?

Gauthier's feeling the heat....book it.

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Gawd the folks at RDS are so ******** over this... What a bunch of clowns.
"Yeah well how will people in Chibougamau understand what he says?! HUH?!"
Luc Gelinas, quite the journalist ! hahaha

I wished someone would post the YT of Price looking at the idiot like WTF !

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I never said they were dumb.

But why go with the option with such a high risk, when there will inevitably be other candidates both much more qualified and with less baggage?
To break the curse. Yeeesh.

Nah, I am not in the hire Roy camp. I think he would be a great coach with lots of passion, but I just think he could be too strong a personality. But then again....

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