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12-17-2011, 09:10 AM
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Columbus vs. Tampa Bay | 12/17 7PM EST | "Midas Touch" Edition

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So glad Johansen may be scratched. This way he can think about the meaningful hockey he could be playing in the WJC.

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I plan on going tonight. Go Jackets

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The debut of the three-headed monster called Dorsett-Boll-Byers!

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So glad Johansen may be scratched. This way he can think about the meaningful hockey he could be playing in the WJC.
Meaningful?

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12-17-2011, 10:22 AM
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Meaningful?
I think it is evident that Johansen has hit a wall. He would most likely get some good from playing in a tournament against his peers. Some would say that is a step back from the NHL, but if he can go win a gold medal, yes that would be meaningful.

I don't think Johansen being with the big club this year will make or break him, but the way the season has progressed isn't exactly good for moulding young minds. GMSH thought keeping Johansen up would give the team the best chance at winning, but the writing was on the wall when the deadline for letting players go to the WJC passed.


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I think it is evident that Johansen has hit a wall. He would most likely get some good from playing in a tournament against his peers. Some would say that is a step back from the NHL, but if he can go win a gold medal, yes that would be meaningful.

I don't think Johansen being with the big club this year will make or break him, but the way the season has progressed isn't exactly good for moulding young minds. GMSH thought keeping Johansen up would give the team the best chance at winning, but the writing was on the wall when the deadline for letting players go to the WJC passed.
One valuable lesson to be learned from this season:

How much it hurts to lose and how much work is necessary to win.

Johansen has played with peers his whole life and he won a medal, last year. If he has hit a wall, he can now learn how to push past that and contribute, again. So he sits out tonight, he'll be back in next game. I think both he and the Jackets will ultimately benefit from his experience, this year. In my opinion, he's beyond the stage where playing in an exhibition tourney with Juniors will be of much help, he's an NHL player, now.

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One valuable lesson to be learned from this season:

How much it hurts to lose and how much work is necessary to win.

Johansen has played with peers his whole life and he won a medal, last year. If he has hit a wall, he can now learn how to push past that and contribute, again. So he sits out tonight, he'll be back in next game. I think both he and the Jackets will ultimately benefit from his experience, this year. In my opinion, he's beyond the stage where playing in an exhibition tourney with Juniors will be of much help, he's an NHL player, now.
I would agree. You get better by playing against better players.

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I would agree. You get better by playing against better players.
Very true, but it could also help to go somewhere for a couple weeks where he is actually winning, for a change. That's got to have an impact on morale if nothing else..

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One valuable lesson to be learned from this season:

How much it hurts to lose and how much work is necessary to win.

Johansen has played with peers his whole life and he won a medal, last year. If he has hit a wall, he can now learn how to push past that and contribute, again. So he sits out tonight, he'll be back in next game. I think both he and the Jackets will ultimately benefit from his experience, this year. In my opinion, he's beyond the stage where playing in an exhibition tourney with Juniors will be of much help, he's an NHL player, now.
I don't disagree with what you have said. If the CBJ were closer to, or in a playoff position, my stance would be different.

Like I said earlier, I don't think him playing at the WJC will hurt his development. He may be an NHL player now, but getting back to what got him to the NHL won't hurt him one bit.

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This was posted as a comment (by an Oiler fan, I think) on The Cannon blog:

"On Roli refusing to come to Columbus in the draft,

Hey folks – just want to clarify this, as I often see it posted when it comes to the Jackets and Roli. I wasn’t following his career back then, but a couple years ago (2010 playoffs I think) he did an interview and Doug MacLean was one of the commentators interviewing him (I think it was a HockeyCentral interview on Toronto’s Fan590).

Anyway they were joking about this and MacLean admitted that Rick Wamsley (Simcoe native, as is Roli) wanted Roli at the time but he didn’t and basically Roli was told not to bother reporting. It may have been reported at the time and it’s been thought all these years that Roli refused to play for the Jackets, but MacLean was clear during this interview that it was his decision, not Roli’s. Why they picked him in the expansion draft I have no idea. Roli joked with Doug saying something to the effect that he had spent the years prior to that as a seldom-played backup and he wouldn’t want him either."

Has anyone else heard this?

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Heading down tonight with 6 members of my family. That's 2 more than were representing the ACA at Thursday night's game. Maybe Mike Todd will sport a Derby Family Scarf and shout out to us during hamsterball races!

Tomorrow morning we head out to the real ARCH CITY to cheer the CBJ on to a victory over Hitch and Russ.

CBJ win them both.

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-- Looks like the scratches tonight are D Aaron Johnson and RW Dane Byers.
Seems like Johansen will be playing unless I've missed something (checked Puckrakers + twitter).

This raises the question; why are we handling Johansen differently from Filatov? Filatov would see about 10 minutes on the second line, followed by nights of the pressbox and the fourth line. Johansen is playing hard and is creating opportunities, sure, but it seemed like Filatov was as well. This isn't to say that I agree or disagree with either decision, just that the inconsistencies seem strange.

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Heading over to the game shortly with Halfboard children units. Hoping for a better showing than last Thurs. game we attended. Oh well, it's still all good - Christmas upon us and NHL hockey to attend. ..................

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Seems like Johansen will be playing unless I've missed something (checked Puckrakers + twitter).

This raises the question; why are we handling Johansen differently from Filatov? Filatov would see about 10 minutes on the second line, followed by nights of the pressbox and the fourth line. Johansen is playing hard and is creating opportunities, sure, but it seemed like Filatov was as well. This isn't to say that I agree or disagree with either decision, just that the inconsistencies seem strange.
Slap shots http://www.bluejacketsxtra.com/conte...urts-game.html

Howson declined to comment on the possibility that Phoenix Coyotes center Kyle Turris could be traded to Columbus. Turris wants out of Phoenix and a trade reportedly is imminent. Standout Martin St. Louis (eye) did not travel with the Tampa Bay Lightning for a game against the Blue Jackets at Nationwide Arena tonight. Former Blue Jackets goalie Mathieu Garon is expected to start for the Lightning. Arniel said left wing Derek Dorsett (left leg) will play tonight if he is cleared by medical staff. Rookie Ryan Johansen has no points in his past nine games and is a candidate to be scratched against the Lightning.

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Slap shots http://www.bluejacketsxtra.com/conte...urts-game.html

Howson declined to comment on the possibility that Phoenix Coyotes center Kyle Turris could be traded to Columbus. Turris wants out of Phoenix and a trade reportedly is imminent. … Standout Martin St. Louis (eye) did not travel with the Tampa Bay Lightning for a game against the Blue Jackets at Nationwide Arena tonight. Former Blue Jackets goalie Mathieu Garon is expected to start for the Lightning. … Arniel said left wing Derek Dorsett (left leg) will play tonight if he is cleared by medical staff. … Rookie Ryan Johansen has no points in his past nine games and is a candidate to be scratched against the Lightning.

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According to Portzline's twitter as of 2 hours ago, it is Johnson and Byers that are out.

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Scratches tonight for #CBJ look like D Aaron Johnson and LW Dane Byers.
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I saw the slapshots but that was from 5:30 AM.

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Things chanced before New Year even before Christmas...I am pleasant suprise so I can return sooner than I expected

I hope we will win, Tampa has acrisis plus its defense is not so good according Tampas fans

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This....is a critical game.

Lose tonight and Arniel must be fired.
If they lose playing like crap, and he is not fired, I will stop watching and begin looking for a team that doesn't **** on its fans, and an owner that has balls. There are so many teams i like that qualify it won't be hard.

Win, and I'll hang on.

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This raises the question; why are we handling Johansen differently from Filatov? Filatov would see about 10 minutes on the second line, followed by nights of the pressbox and the fourth line. Johansen is playing hard and is creating opportunities, sure, but it seemed like Filatov was as well. This isn't to say that I agree or disagree with either decision, just that the inconsistencies seem strange.
Do you really see similarities in their play? I don't.

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This....is a critical game.

Lose tonight and Arniel must be fired.
If they lose playing like crap, and he is not fired, I will stop watching and begin looking for a team that doesn't **** on its fans, and an owner with balls. There are so many teams that qualify it won't be hard.

Win, and I'll hang on.
We should let them know how important this is. Can someone post this in the locker room, please?



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Do you really see similarities in their play? I don't.
Of course I do.

Let's not have our views tainted by confirmation bias / what we know in hindsight. Based upon what we see on the ice and production, I want to know why the coaches are far more lenient with Johansen than they were with Filatov.


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According to Portzline's twitter as of 2 hours ago, it is Johnson and Byers that are out.



I saw the slapshots but that was from 5:30 AM.
I said "may" in the second post, so it was never definitive. Didn't mean to mislead.

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This raises the question; why are we handling Johansen differently from Filatov? Filatov would see about 10 minutes on the second line, followed by nights of the pressbox and the fourth line. Johansen is playing hard and is creating opportunities, sure, but it seemed like Filatov was as well. This isn't to say that I agree or disagree with either decision, just that the inconsistencies seem strange.
The answer has to be attitude, in practice, in the lockerroom, at meetings, etc. And that is something that fans are rarely allowed to observe.

Filatov failed with four+ different coaches, I don't think you can pin this on Arniel.

But that ship has sailed.

(No, really. The ship has literally sailed. Back to Russia.)

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This game is important? Why? They win, they will slack off in the next one. They lose, maybe they will step it up for a game or two. Up, down, up a few, down a few. "All things are as they were in the times of those whom we have buried". Nothing, other than possible serious injuries, really matters for the rest of this year.

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The answer has to be attitude, in practice, in the lockerroom, at meetings, etc. And that is something that fans are rarely allowed to observe.

Filatov failed with four+ different coaches, I don't think you can pin this on Arniel.

But that ship has sailed.

(No, really. The ship has literally sailed. Back to Russia.)
He's riding Pteradctyl Air now!

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