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Cunneyworth named interim Head Coach/Carrière Assistant Coach

View Poll Results: What traits do you want for next coach?
Hire from within the organization 1 2.00%
Play offense and don't sit 20 40.00%
Must be bilingual 3 6.00%
Keep the defensive system 1 2.00%
Hire the best coach available 42 84.00%
Play in your face hockey w / forechecking 22 44.00%
Keep a fighter in the lineup and play him 5 10.00%
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12-20-2011, 11:51 AM
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This latest ****storm is hurting the couple years of good grace we had going.

I can't imagine anybody from the hockey world looking at Montreal from the outside has a positive thing to say about us right now. The team is struggling to win, the GM appears (whether he is or not) to be panicking, the owner has either lost control or even worse, is meddling, the fans are shredding the team apart, the media is more than happy to fan those flames to push their agenda, and now we have politicians weighing on issues that are of absolutely no concern to them.

Who in their right mind would want any part of this situation? It's only a matter of time until guys on the team start wanting out.
Agreed, wish some could see the bigger picture, just once. This reflects terribly on the habs and aside from losing, it is the number 1 reason we can't attract high profile players, coaches, gms, waterboys, anthem singers ect. No one wants to deal with this **** on a daily basis, why the hell would they?


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12-20-2011, 11:52 AM
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Thanks. Though I will admit I am being a bit dramatic. Past couple of days have been very frustrating as a Habs fan.

Getting very hard to watch a team that seems to continuously sabotage itself. Management, fans and media alike.
It wasn't dramatic. People here lack patience and the media just fuels the ****ing fires. Even if the habs were to decide to hire an anglo coach, why in the hell would he come here and give himself a headache?

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This latest ****storm is hurting the couple years of good grace we had going.

I can't imagine anybody from the hockey world looking at Montreal from the outside has a positive thing to say about us right now. The team is struggling to win, the GM appears (whether he is or not) to be panicking, the owner has either lost control or even worse, is meddling, the fans are shredding the team apart, the media is more than happy to fan those flames to push their agenda, and now we have politicians weighing on issues that are of absolutely no concern to them.

Who in their right mind would want any part of this situation? It's only a matter of time until guys on the team start wanting out.
The owner wants results, I support that. Coaches and GM's get fired routinely.
There is nothing wrong with setting new direction. The players are finding it hard to be successful, and want help. The current management team is a laughing stock.

Things are improving not the other way around.

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12-20-2011, 11:52 AM
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What's most disturbing is that it's been nearly 20 years and we continue to settle for "good enough".

It just blows my mind that Gauthier and Gainey were allowed to stick around as long as they have.
Gainey was a "winner", much like St. Patrick.

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12-20-2011, 11:53 AM
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Gainey was a "winner", much like St. Patrick.
I know you're being sarcastic, but when it comes to management that means absolutely zilch.

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12-20-2011, 11:56 AM
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I know you're being sarcastic, but when it comes to management that means absolutely zilch.
Well tell that to the people who think Patrick Roy is the messiah.

I mean honestly at this point I wouldn't object because it looks like this team has reached the end of the line and we need change one way or another, but this club has a nightmare track record when it comes to hiring Habs legends with no NHL coaching experience.

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When Chicago fired Denis Savard for a 1-3 start I thought it was way to early in the season to fire Savard. Quenneville was hired in the offseason as a scout so the GM (Tallon) and President McDonough wanted an experienced coach. Chicago was emerging and looked ready to take the next step forward... Toews and Kane becoming the face of the franchise. Chicago fired Denis Savard because they wanted Quenneville's experience.

Montreal is a hockey destination that commands a great coach. Yet what is the identity are the Habs contenders or rebuilding? If Montreal is rebuilding why hire a top end coach?

The Chicago Cubs just hired a head coach with 1 year experience. Why? They are rebuilding. They did not want an expensive coach and honestly maybe the best coaches do not want to coach through a rebuild... Montreal must figure out there identity, and that will impact the coach the Habs bring in....

I always wanted Denis Savard to get another chance to coach....The only place D. Savard would fit is Montreal IMO he won a CUP with the Habs (he clearly wasn't the main guy) because of the injury.

Forgive me if Denis Savard has been mentioned in this thread....It is 30 pages plus so good chance he may have been mentioned. What do Habs fans think of Denis Savard as the next coach going into the 2012 season?

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12-20-2011, 01:21 PM
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Does the coach of Fc Barcelona have to speak Catalan?
Comparing Montreal to Barcelona is a joke. First: No, they have not only had coaches that speak catalan, just look at the list of coaches. Bobby Robson had Jose Mourinho as an interpreter while manager.

Second: in football there are no draft system. Barcelona of the last years have had a lot of catalan players who they got at a young age and developed themselves. If you could have signed Lemieux, Lecavalier, Giroux and the rest at 13 yers of age and then bring them to the NHL then you could start comparing to Barcelona.

29 teams will try to get the best players and coaches, 1 will only try to get the best french speaking. That team isnt even good at drafting the best french speaking players. I support Boston and this whole mess is just lovely to me. To you though it is a nightmare.

The owner should just stand up to the fans and media. Boo when you play bad, boo when you get the best man avaliable, yeah thats the way to win.

If you where serious about winning with french players: Tank, and tank like crazy. Draft the top french guys for like 5 drafts. Then atleast you would have a core of french speaking players. Are there any in the upcoming drafts?

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12-20-2011, 01:43 PM
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Comparing Montreal to Barcelona is a joke. First: No, they have not only had coaches that speak catalan, just look at the list of coaches. Bobby Robson had Jose Mourinho as an interpreter while manager.

Second: in football there are no draft system. Barcelona of the last years have had a lot of catalan players who they got at a young age and developed themselves. If you could have signed Lemieux, Lecavalier, Giroux and the rest at 13 yers of age and then bring them to the NHL then you could start comparing to Barcelona.

29 teams will try to get the best players and coaches, 1 will only try to get the best french speaking. That team isnt even good at drafting the best french speaking players. I support Boston and this whole mess is just lovely to me. To you though it is a nightmare.

The owner should just stand up to the fans and media. Boo when you play bad, boo when you get the best man avaliable, yeah thats the way to win.

If you where serious about winning with french players: Tank, and tank like crazy. Draft the top french guys for like 5 drafts. Then atleast you would have a core of french speaking players. Are there any in the upcoming drafts?
I really don't care if we draft french players or not. Great if we do, don't care if we don't.
Given our geography, I would hire more scouts for the Q, I think this much is understandable. But I'd be interested in talent, not the names on the jerseys.

Tanking and only drafting french players would be a recipe for failure imo. Could take decades before becoming competitive given the drop of talent coming out of the Q.

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12-20-2011, 01:57 PM
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Can I know what is the rational behind "Roy for the post of GM"?

I mean, i get why he'd be considered a coach. He isn't doing a bad job in Quebec. But GM?!

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12-20-2011, 01:58 PM
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Can I know what is the rational behind "Roy for the post of GM"?

I mean, i get why he'd be considered a coach. He isn't doing a bad job in Quebec. But GM?!
He's Patrick Roy. And French.

All you need to know.

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He's Patrick Roy. And French.

All you need to know.
Come on. What puts him ahead of Denis Villeneuve, Ron Fournier, Alain Crete?!?

(although the idea of Ron Fournier being a member of the GM meeting is pure comedy. Hilarious.)

What kind of credentials he can claim over other hockey specialists?

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Come on. What puts him ahead of Denis Villeneuve, Ron Fournier, Alain Crete?!?

(although the idea of Ron Fournier being a member of the GM meeting is pure comedy. Hilarious.)

What kind of credentials he can claim over other hockey specialists?
Dude, I'm being sarcastic. That seems to be the only reason people want him.

Everyone's humour meter has gone out the window with JM, it seems.

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Dude, I'm being sarcastic. That seems to be the only reason people want him.

Everyone's humour meter has gone out the window with JM, it seems.
You lose your sense of humour quickly when your desire to defend national symbols are derided as a joke by 90% of HFboards

Ain't nothing funny about losing battles after battles and being laughed at just for not giving up

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Ain't nothing funny about losing battles after battles and being laughed at just for not giving up
National symbols?

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Hum... Yhea. You missed that part how long ago?

Habs always have been the Quebecois's team. Nordiques gave them a run for their money, but they were still solidy entrenched as such before and after.

At the time the coaches were Anglophones, the Habs had a lot of French players. When we stopped having a lot of French players, at least, we had a French coach.

And today, we have neither. And we don't even have a winning team to justify this sad state of fact.

And you people actually see our outrage as a JOKE. It's killing me. But then again, my people is slowly dying anyway. This is just one more nail in our coffin.

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Hum... Yhea. You missed that part how long ago?

Habs always have been the Quebecois's team. Nordiques gave them a run for their money, but they were still solidy entrenched as such before and after.

At the time the coaches were Anglophones, the Habs had a lot of French players. When we stopped having a lot of French players, at least, we had a French coach.

And today, we have neither. And we don't even have a winning team to justify this sad state of fact.

And you people actually see our outrage as a JOKE. It's killing me. But then again, my people is slowly dying anyway. This is just one more nail in our coffin.
Oh God, I'm not going to touch this.

Enjoy your melancholy.

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Oh God, I'm not going to touch this.

Enjoy your melancholy.
Like I said, it's just a joke for you.

French ain't gonna leave Montreal tomorrow. But it's been happening for years. Slowly, inexorably, we are losing ground. That how you kill a culture.

Ya don't care about it, since you are on the winning side. You dismiss it, you downplay it. You RATIONALIZE it. That's the normal lines for any cultures in a position of strenght that ain't losing anything.

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All I can say is that any talented coach who might be contemplating to come to Montreal in the future will think twice about it...That's a shame for the real hockey fans who are able to make a distinction between professional sports and politics.

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Hum... Yhea. You missed that part how long ago?

Habs always have been the Quebecois's team. Nordiques gave them a run for their money, but they were still solidy entrenched as such before and after.

At the time the coaches were Anglophones, the Habs had a lot of French players. When we stopped having a lot of French players, at least, we had a French coach.

And today, we have neither. And we don't even have a winning team to justify this sad state of fact.

And you people actually see our outrage as a JOKE. It's killing me. But then again, my people is slowly dying anyway. This is just one more nail in our coffin.
Because it is a freaking joke! Vancouver is BC's team you don't see them freaking out because they have a francophone as coach and a swede as captain. This is all just so absolutely ********. You realize we are called the "canadiens" right?

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Just read the Sports section of the Denver Post here at work.

Page 2 has "Quebec government up in arms over language barrier".

Page 4 has the summary of the Avs exciting SO victory.



Actually, I feel more like

Don't know what to be more angry about. The reaction of some of the fans? Molson not seeing it coming? Unbelievable black eye.

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You want JM fierd? Replace him by whom? deal with it. he's here for a year (doubt it) and Molson guaranteed a bilingual coach. This has nothing to do with cultural heritage and all to do with massive media and political brainwash fest, trying to get as much attention as possible; it's called opportunism in era where mainstream model of media and politics are slowly dying and becoming useless if not to say encombrant pour la socité.

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Because it is a freaking joke! Vancouver is BC's team you don't see them freaking out because they have a francophone as coach and a swede as captain. This is all just so absolutely ********. You realize we are called the "canadiens" right?
You don't see anybody here saying anything against having an anglophone coach who can speak French.

You just hypocritically ignored the issue entirely. The point is not the origin of the coach. The point is his capacity to speak French.

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The point is not the origin of the coach. The point is his capacity to speak French.
Which is an issue for 72% of Quebec according to le Journal.

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Because it is a freaking joke! Vancouver is BC's team you don't see them freaking out because they have a francophone as coach and a swede as captain. This is all just so absolutely ********. You realize we are called the "canadiens" right?
Don't remind them!

Besides, the only reason why Quebec is still part of Canada is because the team is called the Canadiens.

The team is slowly ruining the city and the province.

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