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Cunneyworth named interim Head Coach/Carrière Assistant Coach

View Poll Results: What traits do you want for next coach?
Hire from within the organization 1 2.00%
Play offense and don't sit 20 40.00%
Must be bilingual 3 6.00%
Keep the defensive system 1 2.00%
Hire the best coach available 42 84.00%
Play in your face hockey w / forechecking 22 44.00%
Keep a fighter in the lineup and play him 5 10.00%
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12-17-2011, 05:25 PM
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we need a french speaking coach, no doubt.
Yeah how are we going to live with having to read the screen for the translation

edit: not even "we", only people who only speak french.

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12-17-2011, 05:31 PM
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we need a french speaking coach, no doubt.
enough with the language issue.... its really a non factor IMO....hire the best guy available and if it happens to be Cunneyworth then so be it....

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During practise this morning the cameras caught Darche already sucking up to Cunnyworth.

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12-17-2011, 06:00 PM
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we need a french speaking coach, no doubt.
Really? Why? Because rds is not sophisticated enough to have subtitles?

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12-17-2011, 06:02 PM
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Carriere My Wayward Son

This has nothing to do with Carriere..just wanted to use that headline lol.

I started writing about Cunneyworth and ended up with this diatribe..figured I'd post it here. I apologize if this is redundant and shouldn't have it's own thread...just didn't want to see it buried...took me a while to write. :-)

Already there are rumblings among the Habs faithful that the interim promotion of Randy Cunneyworth to the head coaching position in Montreal will signal more of the same as he was in charge of the power play and it sucked, Critics say it will be more of the same in la belle province.

Having followed Cunneyworth's career since he was a longshot to crack a loaded Ottawa 67's squad in the late 1970's, I can confidently say that the Montreal Canadiens will not be playing a similar style under their new bench boss. Why would Gauthier make the change if he did? It was apparent that Jacques Martin's ultra conservative approach was grating on the player, management and fans alike. Consistently blowing leads because you are too stubborn to change your conservative style signalled the death knell for Martin, who may well never get another NHL head coaching position.

Times have changed in the NHL - you need to keep the pedal to the medal when you get a lead, and Martin would invariably fall back into a 1-3-1 or 1-2-2 defence, opposing teams would start getting chances...before you know it the Habs were down a goal or tied, and often Martin's solution would be to double shift a Mathieu Darche, who so far this season has yet to manage a goal. You need to play an aggressive and physical style in a division rife with physical teams, and that will be especially true next season with conference realignment coming in.

Teams usually always try to adapt to the style the defending cup champs employed, especially when the Cup champs are divisional opponents, but Martin's approach most nights was to bench players who had the audacity to display emotion and aggressiveness.

Things won't be the same under Cunneyworth, Gauthier is banking on that. Cunneyworth was a hockey player who worked hard for everything he got. He also was tough as nails. He became a helluva junior player under Brian Kilrea in Ottawa, but he was by no means a Prima Donna. Not the biggest guy at 6-0 180, but would fight pretty much everybody in his OHA rookie season when he finally cracked the lineup as an 18-year-old. That summer he was an 8th round pick by Buffalo, and few could predict that he would go on to play pro for two decades. Cunneyworth came back for his final junior season and scored 54 goals, 128 points and added 240 penalty minutes. He went from not being good enough for major junior to one of the toughesst and most dangerous juniors in the OHA,

Like a lot of NHL coaches who were former players, he paid his dues with 4 years in the minors, but then moved from Buffalo to Pittsburgh and finally got a decent chance. Just as in junior, Cunneyworth would prove to be a late bloomer as a pro, but by his third year in Pittsburgh he was scoring 35 goals, 74 points and piling up 140 penalty minutes. The Etobicoke, Ont. native would go on to a 19-Year pro career that would include close to 900 NHL games and more than 1200 penalty minutes.

For those who are suggesting he`s not an "experienced coach"...he'll be one of the more experienced coached in the league - 19 years of pro hockey, nine years as a head coach in the AHL, two years as assistant coach at the NHL level.

In a league that has changed its style since the lockout, do we really need another rehashed NHL coach who is available to be hired because he was fired somewhere else for ineptitude? Look at the more successful teams in recent years.

Was Mike Babcock experienced when he was hired by Anaheim? He had none. How much experience did Julien have as a head coach when Montreal hired him? What about Bylsma...how much NHL experience did he have when Pittsburgh handed him the job? Fact is..every coach in the NHL had zero NHL coaching experience at some point before being given an opportunity...even Scotty Bowman was "inexperienced" at one time. So why not give Cunneyworth a 50-game trial?

If the club misses the playoffs he can be let go as he was only an "interim" coach to begin with, but if he rallies the troops and the club makes the postseason and enjoys any success he will likely be hired full-time, much to the chagrin of many french-speaking media types. Fairly gutsy, if not shrewd move by Gauthier..if Cunneyworth wins, the language "issue" will become moot with most Quebecois Habs' fans. The average Habs fan would put up with Sean Avery or Don Cherry coaching the team if they were successful. If he doesn't win, simply replace him at year's end, if Gauthier maintian his job.

It's a pretty good bet that Cunneyworth will instill a more hard nosed approach to the game than Martin did as that's how he himself played the game. His teams in Rochester and last year in Hamilton always had a gritty element to them..no aversion to physical play unlike Martin, who had a propensity to bench players that exhibited too much feistiness. Cunneyworth will welcome Emelin and Subban's aggressiveneness instead of hindering it...a Louis Leblanc won't be benched after scoring his first NHL goal and raising the crowd's emotions.

Many would say the smart thing to do at that point would have been to play Leblanc extensively, but Martin's conservative nature wouldn't allow it - he would rarely use emotion as an advantage. Cunneyworth won't be that type of coach, he'll play the players who are competing the hardest...that's how he earned a spot in the NHL, and Cunneyworth realizes the advantage of competitiveness and physical play. Nice to see him getting his first head coaching opoortunity, and it would not shock me if he excels.

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12-17-2011, 06:03 PM
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Carriere My Wayward Son... there will be peace now that Ears is done

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Carriere My Wayward Son... there will be peace now that Ears is done
Lay your eary head to rest...

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I don't mean to derail your thread Grant, but has Trevor Timmins ever mentioned the desire to be a GM?

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thanks for the insight, looking forward to the shackles bieng relaxed

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I'll start considering your argument further when you decide to take my statement for what it is, not whatever sort of message you wish to infer from it.

Absolutely, there have been times where the most qualified person was franco. There will be times when they are not.

If you say that you would hire a unilingual Anglo coach because he was the best candidate, then we're done here.

Something tells me you won't.



No one has ever said this. And you know better.
My argument is based on what the other guy said, that Montreal coaches suck because they are bilingual.

Who exactly IS the best candidate? Could you say that RC was the best candidate, even among unilingual coaches? Was he really the most qualified person by any standard?

No he wasn't. The best candidate almost never exists, because it's highly subjective. I say that the Habs have done pretty well with their past bilingual coaches and their career records prove it.

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12-17-2011, 06:26 PM
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The language issue was created by Pierre Boivin who said that this team needs a coach who also speaks french.

Maybe now with Geoff Molson it has changed and it does not matter.

No it was created by Ronald Corey when he came in as President in 1982. After that they made it a mission to select a lot of players from Quebec and won two cups.

You wouldn't hire a Swedish guy to coach the Yankees. Imagine the uproar.

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No one has ever said this. And you know better.
No actually I don't know better. 'Cause EVERYTIME we get a french name out there, the majority in here will say that we didn't get the best man available. I can tell you that even if Vigneault is fired, he will not be seen as the best man available. And THAT will be coming from people WHO HAVE NO IDEA WHO IS AVAILABLE ANYWAY.

So no one has ever said "french coach can never be good". Instead, to stay politically correct they say, "language doesn't matter". But again, when confronted to a french name they say "why do we restrain ourselves to a french guy"?....Isn't it like the freakin same?

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I think it's a win win for Gauthier.

He gives Cunneyworth a 4 month trial much like Blysma in Pittsburgh, if the team played very well he can keep him, if not he can chose somebody from a much bigger pool in the summer. "interim" gives the GM options. Firing the coach puts the players on notice also, so guys like Gomez and Cammy are under the gun.
Weren't you just saying for days on end that firing the coach wasn't necessary, now you're saying it's a win win? I happen to agree with you, but why do you change constantly change your opinion to match exactly what management has done?

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Ok so :


- Randy C. talks to his players during timeouts

- a more open ice style

- Darche in the PK instead of PP

- Lines that make sense

- a more balanced ice time

- Eller is alive

- Subban scores

- Campoli scores

- Emotion

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a more open ice style
Elaborate.

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- Darche in the PK instead of PP
And he didn't know what the **** he was doing and was a cause in a goal against.

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- Lines that make sense
The lines are pretty much exactly the same...

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- a more balanced ice time
Elaborate.

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- Eller is alive
Eller has been playing like this all season.

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- Subban scores

- Campoli scores
Your point?

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- Emotion
What "emotion?"

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Well, I th.....

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Elaborate.



And he didn't know what the **** he was doing and was a cause in a goal against.



The lines are pretty much exactly the same...



Elaborate.



Eller has been playing like this all season.



Your point?



What "emotion?"
- Eller hasnt been playing like this all season

- A less not open ice style

- Subban : Randy C talked to PK this afternoon

- Lines and Campoli: OK I overreacted; my body was not ready haha

- More ice time for players like Leblanc, for example (unless you didnt watch the Flyers game)

- Emotion: well, maybe you havent noticed it yet

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- a more open ice style
Really?

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- Darche in the PK instead of PP
Just like in Philly.

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- Lines that make sense
The same ones Martin made.

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- a more balanced ice time
Wait, I thought Darche getting more ES time than Plekanec was bad?

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- Eller is alive
He was before.

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- Subban scores

- Campoli scores
Regression to the mean, nothing more.

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- Emotion
Okay, where?

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- Eller hasnt been playing like this all season

- A less not open ice style

- Subban : Randy C talked to PK this afternoon

- Lines and Campoli: OK I overreacted; my body was not ready haha

- More ice time for players like Leblanc, for example (unless you didnt watch the Flyers game)

- Emotion: well, maybe you havent noticed it yet
Yes. Yes he has.

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Wow ROFL


Is this an interrogation ?




JM cops are investigating

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Definitly see more offense, the guys takes more chances and there's more emotion.

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Definitly see more offense, the guys takes more chances and there's more emotion.
Thank you !

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Thank you !
I saw a friend in need in the darkness, I had to reach and stick my hand.

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Be careful though, they will ask you to "elaborate"

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Be careful though, they will ask you to "elaborate"
What do you mean by "reaching your hand"?

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