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12-17-2011, 03:07 PM
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Now I just can't wait for Tuesday's game.

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12-17-2011, 03:09 PM
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I'm upset that Rundblad got traded, but he was playing pretty poorly and it's possible that he threatened to go to Sweden if we demoted him to the AHL. He didn't deserve a roster spot over Lee/Carkner and the only alternative was to losing one of those guys to waivers.

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12-17-2011, 03:12 PM
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The funniest part is that Gagner has proven a lot more than Turris as well.
Except the fact that there is a size difference and Turris is going to go into high traffic area's far more than Gagner.

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12-17-2011, 03:13 PM
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I have no respect for Turris. Dude's gotta earn it from me.

He's a selfish punk who hasn't done anything in the league for years.
I am positive that the number one priority for Turris will be to earn YOUR respect.

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12-17-2011, 03:14 PM
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I always thought Rundblad was overrated. Murray traded him while his value was high. Turris' value was low because of the hold out.

Sell high, buy low.

and before people jump on me for saying I always though Rundblad was overhyped, I called it last summer:
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=917031

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Karlsson is a step above everybody else offensively, he has a certain vision and offensive IQ that I've never seen in a defenseman, ever. Its really hard to explain, but this kid is very very special. I really think he will be the top offensive d-man in the NHL for years to come, with Norris nominations. But doubts about his defensive side (whether true or not) may stop him from actually winning one.

Rundblad, it saddens me to say it, will be more of a poor man's Subban. Good skills, speed, but no toolbox. I don't think his game will translate very well to the NA ice. However, I do think he will be better than MA Bergeron.


As for the original question, offensively:

Rundblad = Larsson
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12-17-2011, 03:19 PM
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Now I just can't wait for Tuesday's game.
Can't wait for Rundblad's first giveaway with Phoenix.

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12-17-2011, 03:20 PM
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Dennis Wideman is available on Free Agency and is better then Rundblad.

Who knows how Turris will play in an environment he enjoys?

More D-men available in 5-15 which is arugably Ottaw'as pick range.

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12-17-2011, 03:22 PM
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Except the fact that there is a size difference and Turris is going to go into high traffic area's far more than Gagner.
That's not something I would care to wager any sum on whatsoever. Either way, Gagner is quite likely to continue to out score Turris.

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12-17-2011, 03:23 PM
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In my imaginary world where everyone pans out, Spezza - Turris - Zibanejad - Smith is a force to be reckoned with. Plus, Turris is a beast in NHL 12.
If everyone pans out, won't that mean Rundblad becomes a 70 point force from the back-end?

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12-17-2011, 03:26 PM
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Can't wait for Rundblad's first giveaway with Phoenix.
Their D core is solid, I doubt he plays and will probably be sent to the AHL, and maybe he declines and opts out to Sweden like rumored here at October.

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12-17-2011, 03:29 PM
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I have no respect for Turris. Dude's gotta earn it from me.

He's a selfish punk who hasn't done anything in the league for years.

Very sad to see Rundblad go. So much talent, it was just a matter of putting it together. There's no rush to trade him now. We're rebuilding for ****s sakes.
No respect? Selfish punk? Has to earn it?

Yes Coyotes were right to rush an unprepared 18 year older player into the NHL to strengthen their fan base.

Yes the Coyotes patiently developed their young talented prospect, being ever so careful not to shatter his confidence.

Yes Coach Tippett gave him every opportunity to succeed and display his offensive talents. Never overly holding him back.

And why not? He was only arguably their best player in the 2nd half of last season.

And yes being a Free Agent, yes a FREE Agent didn't entitle him to try and go elsewhere or force a trade to do so. So that he had an opportunity to succeed.

No respect? Selfish punk? Has to earn it? Unvelievable comment. What a Joke.

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12-17-2011, 03:32 PM
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bye bye bobby butler

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12-17-2011, 03:32 PM
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Turris and Heatley both bailed on their teams. We criticize Heatley but willing to accept Turris with open arms? The only difference I see is the one player was proven and the other hasn't done jack ****.
Man, you are clearly not living up to your avatar.

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12-17-2011, 03:34 PM
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That's not something I would care to wager any sum on whatsoever. Either way, Gagner is quite likely to continue to out score Turris.
I've watched both out here in the west and I would wager it easily. Turris is a completely different player than Gagne. Gagne plays along the boards, on the perimeter and then scores from the slot or when there is room. Turris goes for the net and makes room.

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Their D core is solid, I doubt he plays and will probably be sent to the AHL, and maybe he declines and opts out to Sweden like rumored here at October.
But Afro Thunder, only Russians run away to their home countries when sent to the minors. Don't you know that?

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12-17-2011, 03:36 PM
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i can imagine foligno and turris having some chemistry.

you heard it here first

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12-17-2011, 03:36 PM
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So, people ***** about Turris being unproven. How has Rundblad proven more than Turris? Both are unproven. The thing I hate the most about the deal is the 2nd rounder.

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12-17-2011, 03:36 PM
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Except the fact that there is a size difference and Turris is going to go into high traffic area's far more than Gagner.
Not yet he isn't. He gets destroyed when he tries. He needs to get physically stronger as he still gets knocked off the puck too easily; can't win battles in the corner; gives up the puck too often on the back-check when he tries to get too cute; and has trouble skating up ice and leading the rush (again, gets his pocket-picked or knocked off the puck on the fore-check too easily).

He's skilled, but that doesn't mean much if you can't stay vertical on the ice. IF he gets significantly stronger no reason he can't be a very, very good 2nd-line center.

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Can't wait for Rundblad's first giveaway with Phoenix.
Might have to wait until next year. My bet is he spends most of the year in Portland learning the Tippett system and working on his defense.

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12-17-2011, 03:39 PM
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Murray and PMac must have high expectations for Kyle Boris, as Rundblad is going to be a stud offensive defenceman. However, the blade runner was never going to get the opportunity to be a number 1 guy, as Ottawa already has two in Karlsson and Cowen is suddenly emerging as one.

It also appears to me like Ottawa, without going after over-the-hill veterans, is going after a "prospect" with NHL experience - signalling the organization's intention of making the playoffs. It is also Alfie's last season and he has been playing great lately, and with Michalek/Spezza/Karlsson amongst the league's statistical leaders, so they want to make hay while the sun shines.

Maloney with a Don move.


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12-17-2011, 03:39 PM
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Their D core is solid, I doubt he plays and will probably be sent to the AHL, and maybe he declines and opts out to Sweden like rumored here at October.
Entirely possible. Recently people were calling for Rundblad to be sent to the AHL after Gonchar or Kuba returns.... many of these people are now having mini-freakouts, as if we traded Karlsson.

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12-17-2011, 03:45 PM
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I like the idea of getting Turris for Rundblad. As much as I liked Rundblad, he was a bit of a redundant piece and I'm sure his defensive play wasn't impressing Murray or MacLean very much. Hopefully this gives Lee a better shot to prove himself at this level.

What I didn't like, was the 2nd that was added on top of it.
I agree with much of what you say, but the team needs scoring skills and hopefully Turris can give this to us---he has a great wrist shot and quick release. He is young and can get better with proper coaching. Let's hope it works out.

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bye bye bobby butler
Butler just may be the next to go now that the Sens have 15 forwards on the roster.

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12-17-2011, 03:50 PM
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Might have to wait until next year. My bet is he spends most of the year in Portland learning the Tippett system and working on his defense.
Good luck with that, apparently he declined going to the AHL at the beginning of the season and was forced to be in the pressbox.

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Man, you are clearly not living up to your avatar.
I can understand bonehead plays from a young rebuilding team.

I can't understand bonehead decisions from management.

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Good luck with that, apparently he declined going to the AHL at the beginning of the season and was forced to be in the pressbox.
This is the biggest thing to me.

If Ottawa was in a position where Rundblad was about to lose major value by pushing to return to the SEL, this trade looks very different.

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