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12-15-2011, 09:25 PM
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Can the Flyers afford Matt Carle?

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As we inspect the Flyers' payroll for 2012-13, they have already committed roughly $59 million to 20 players, and while that may not seem too restrictive against next seasonís cap, thatís with Jaromir Jagr, Jake Voracek and Matt Carle all unsigned.


Thatís $9 million the Flyers are paying out for this season that they canít afford for next season without trading away salary. Voracek is a restricted free agent and the Flyers, you expect, would re-sign him rather than trade him away as he was a significant piece in the trade that sent Jeff Carter to Columbus.



With the way Jagr has played and the chemistry heís developed with Claude Giroux, rational thinking would lead you to believe the Flyers will make every effort to re-sign him at a reasonable cap amount if Jagr is willing to return under a one-year deal.


That leaves Carle, whoís in line for at least a 40 percent raise from his current $3.437 average annual salary. I throw out 40 percent because thatís what teammate Braydon Coburn received when he inked a new four-year, $18 million extension just last month. While I would consider Coburn a step up defensively, Carle is clearly more assertive in the offensive zone.

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We won't be seeing Carle here next year.

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All the haters better prepare for the day Carle is signed to a HUGE contract with the Flyers. He has been rock solid without Pronger, playing huge minutes and taking on an increased role on offense and defense. Racking up first stars, and limiting turnovers. Without Pronger, the Flyers have a strong top 4 and MAF and Gus will fill in very well. All will be fine in Flyer land.

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All the haters better prepare for the day Carle is signed to a HUGE contract with the Flyers. He has been rock solid without Pronger, playing huge minutes and taking on an increased role on offense and defense. Racking up first stars, and limiting turnovers. Without Pronger, the Flyers have a strong top 4 and MAF and Gus will fill in very well. All will be fine in Flyer land.
Huge contract? You know what that means.


...traded.

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All the haters better prepare for the day Carle is signed to a HUGE contract with the Flyers. He has been rock solid without Pronger, playing huge minutes and taking on an increased role on offense and defense. Racking up first stars, and limiting turnovers. Without Pronger, the Flyers have a strong top 4 and MAF and Gus will fill in very well. All will be fine in Flyer land.
A thing called the salary cap will make your wishes go down the drain.

But as usuall your information is wrong . He plays against 2nd/3rd line guys most of the time (stats prove it), first stars maybe once or twice (we have rookies with more first stars), and he leads the team in turnovers.

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All the haters better prepare for the day Carle is signed to a HUGE contract with the Flyers. He has been rock solid without Pronger, playing huge minutes and taking on an increased role on offense and defense. Racking up first stars, and limiting turnovers. Without Pronger, the Flyers have a strong top 4 and MAF and Gus will fill in very well. All will be fine in Flyer land.
MAF? Marc Andre Fleury?

kidding...I know it was a typo.

As good as Jagr has been do you sign him at the expense of Carle when Kimo is up the next season?
Coots, Read, and hopefully Schenn will be able to step up next season. Plus, JVR, Voracek and Simmonds are a year better so maybe it softens the blow of losing Jagr.

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Eh, Carle does some good things, but he also does a good amount of bad things. I wouldn't put it past them to re-sign him, I just hope there smart about it. I do think he could be replaceable, but I also don't know who else is on the market.

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We won't be seeing Carle here next year.
Yeah, I don't expect to see him return either. He'll make a lot of money this off season. Going by what guys like Wisniewski and Ehrhoff got last summer I think he'll get more than those 40% for sure.

I don't mind too much. He'll be overpaid by someone, hopefully we can find one or two guys to replace what we lose when he leaves.

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Signing Coburn likely doomed Carle. We've also got some decent looking defensive prospects for once, so it helps him become more expendable.

Needing to replace Pronger and Timonen also means that Carle likely won't be here if he wants a large contract. That money needs to be put towards a real number 1 dman.

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The Coburn extension IMO showed Carle's day in Philly were limited.

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Signing Coburn likely doomed Carle. We've also got some decent looking defensive prospects for once, so it helps him become more expendable.

Needing to replace Pronger and Timonen also means that Carle likely won't be here if he wants a large contract. That money needs to be put towards a real number 1 dman.
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Signing Coburn likely doomed Carle. We've also got some decent looking defensive prospects for once, so it helps him become more expendable.

Needing to replace Pronger and Timonen also means that Carle likely won't be here if he wants a large contract. That money needs to be put towards a real number 1 dman.
yeah but doesn't losing their contracts help Carle's cause?

Losing Pronger's contract at this point frees up $5MM then shedding Kimo's the next season helps them to sign his replacement.

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i hope Carle gets a big fat pay raise.






on some other team..

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yeah but doesn't losing their contracts help Carle's cause?

Losing Pronger's contract at this point frees up $5MM then shedding Kimo's the next season helps them to sign his replacement.
We can't lose Pronger's, so that complicates things.

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IMHO, the only way Carle is back is if the owners win on the CBA, and the 35+ rule is significantly modified.

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We can't lose Pronger's, so that complicates things.
But wouldn't being on LTIR free up his cap space?

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But wouldn't being on LTIR free up his cap space?
I believe it would still count during the offseason, which would greatly impact what the team can do.

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Basically Pronger could retire and his hit would still be on payroll.

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So if Pronger retires, because of his 35+ contract, he will remain on the cap. However, if he does what Lappy is doing, we can put him on LTIR, and can exceed the cap by his cap hit, but during the offseason, he still counts towards the "tagging" space.

Is that all right?

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So if Pronger retires, because of his 35+ contract, he will remain on the cap. However, if he does what Lappy is doing, we can put him on LTIR, and can exceed the cap by his cap hit, but during the offseason, he still counts towards the "tagging" space.

Is that all right?
That is how I understand it, yea..

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So if Pronger retires, because of his 35+ contract, he will remain on the cap. However, if he does what Lappy is doing, we can put him on LTIR, and can exceed the cap by his cap hit, but during the offseason, he still counts towards the "tagging" space.

Is that all right?
Why would he retire if he was still getting paid to sit on LTIR?

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if he does what Lappy is doing, we can put him on LTIR, and can exceed the cap by his cap hit, but during the offseason, he still counts towards the "tagging" space.

Is that all right?
Dont understand this, can u explain? Let's say Flyers can go 5 mil above the cap assuming Pronger caphit is 5 mil... so they can acquire someone worth 5 mil during the season , but not during the off season?

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