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12-24-2011, 04:55 PM
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Do you believe Ron Wilson can coach the Toronto Maple Leafs to a Stanley Cup?
No, but I do believe he has done a nice job so far, and does not deserve to be fired now.

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12-24-2011, 05:06 PM
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No, they are terrible at penalty kill. The rest has been average or better all season.
You can't give stats that show the Leafs are below average and then argue they've been above average.

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The goal of a hockey game is to score more goals than you allow. At even strength, the Leafs allow less goals than they score.
Again, you are using goals scored as an argument against poor defensive play.

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Because of the system Wilson allows, it is expected to have higher goals against than teams who trap. But, somehow playing this completely crap system, at even strength they are average.
Again, your stats showed they were below average defensively at even strength.

The fact that Wilson contrinues to use a sysetm that has failed him over and over again is pretty scary.

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Combine that with a carousel of inexperienced goaltenders and a very young defence, I'm not bothered by it.
Of course, if we didn't allow so many quality chances, out goalies wouldn't look so bad.

Young and inexperienced aren't the same thing. Our only inexperienced defensemen are Gardiner, Franson, and Aulie, who are our 4th, 7th, and 8th defensemen respectively.

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12-24-2011, 05:07 PM
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No, but I do believe he has done a nice job so far, and does not deserve to be fired now.
He should have been fired long ago...

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12-24-2011, 05:09 PM
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I cant wait to read this thread after he gets extended.

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12-24-2011, 05:22 PM
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Young and inexperienced aren't the same thing. Our only inexperienced defensemen are Gardiner, Franson, and Aulie, who are our 4th, 7th, and 8th defensemen respectively.
And represent 57 man games.

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12-24-2011, 05:30 PM
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No, but I do believe he has done a nice job so far, and does not deserve to be fired now.
Honestly then why is he here? What is his purpose?

A coach with the Stanley cup in mind, and who fans do envision belief with, with said goal in mind can accomplish everything Wilson has done including 'a nice job so far'.

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12-24-2011, 05:37 PM
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You can't give stats that show the Leafs are below average and then argue they've been above average.



Again, you are using goals scored as an argument against poor defensive play.



Again, your stats showed they were below average defensively at even strength.

The fact that Wilson contrinues to use a sysetm that has failed him over and over again is pretty scary.



Of course, if we didn't allow so many quality chances, out goalies wouldn't look so bad.

Young and inexperienced aren't the same thing. Our only inexperienced defensemen are Gardiner, Franson, and Aulie, who are our 4th, 7th, and 8th defensemen respectively.
I question your interpretation of the stats.

RW's "run and gun system" includes both offense and defence. When a team is top 10 in the league on gf/ga differential, I consider that a good thing.

As for defensive experience, if you can't appreciate the Leafs inexperience on defence, then you have no appreciation for what it takes to be a good NHLer. Franson, Aulie, Schenn, Gunnarson and Gardiner are all inexperienced. Is that really hard to appreciate?

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12-24-2011, 05:41 PM
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Honestly then why is he here? What is his purpose?

A coach with the Stanley cup in mind, and who fans do envision belief with, with said goal in mind can accomplish everything Wilson has done including 'a nice job so far'.
There are plenty of great coaches who have won Stanley Cups who have no ability to develop talent. We didn't need a Stanley Cup coach at the beginning of the rebuild.

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12-24-2011, 05:48 PM
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As for defensive experience, if you can't appreciate the Leafs inexperience on defence, then you have no appreciation for what it takes to be a good NHLer. Franson, Aulie, Schenn, Gunnarson and Gardiner are all inexperienced. Is that really hard to appreciate?
Guys with 250+ games in the NHL are definately not inexperienced.

Fanson and Gunnarson both have 150 games. Considering Gunnarsson's rule in those games, I would consider him experienced, but Franson not.

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12-24-2011, 05:50 PM
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if he gets extended now its a joke... wait till after the season...

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12-24-2011, 06:18 PM
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Guys with 250+ games in the NHL are definately not inexperienced.

Fanson and Gunnarson both have 150 games. Considering Gunnarsson's rule in those games, I would consider him experienced, but Franson not.
This was the starting 7 this year, I can't see how anyone can say this is an inexperienced defence with the exception of Gardiner. A young defence yes, an inexperienced one not at all.

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There are plenty of great coaches who have won Stanley Cups who have no ability to develop talent. We didn't need a Stanley Cup coach at the beginning of the rebuild.
As there are who have, Crawford, Quenneville, and Carlyle just to name a few all won cups and all with key young players, but again the players have something to do with this. This development angle is really being overdone by you guys. If true, why not get a coach that can do both.

As for your inexperienced defencemen assertion, Leafs only had one inexperienced d at the beginning of the season, if you meant young d, then I agree 100% with you.

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12-24-2011, 07:00 PM
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As there are who have, Crawford, Quenneville, and Carlyle just to name a few all won cups and all with key young players, but again the players have something to do with this. This development angle is really being overdone by you guys. If true, why not get a coach that can do both.

As for your inexperienced defencemen assertion, Leafs only had one inexperienced d at the beginning of the season, if you meant young d, then I agree 100% with you.
I don't mean young, I mean inexperienced. We have a huge learning curve ahead of us.

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12-24-2011, 07:54 PM
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No, but I do believe he has done a nice job so far, and does not deserve to be fired now.
He may not deserve to be fired now, but if he were to be fired now I'd try to woo Carlyle.

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12-25-2011, 01:53 AM
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He may not deserve to be fired now, but if he were to be fired now I'd try to woo Carlyle.
What does Carlyle do better than Wilson?

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12-25-2011, 09:13 AM
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Get the extension done before the 1st of the year! We don't need a boring, trapping coach. The Leafs play a fun game to watch, keep it up Ron.

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12-25-2011, 11:14 AM
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12-25-2011, 11:33 AM
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What does Carlyle do better than Wilson?
Coach a hockey team...

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Coach a hockey team...
Yeah, he's been a roaring success without Pronger and Neidermayer.

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Yeah! Wilson got extended today.

I guess this thread is useless now.

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Yeah! Wilson got extended today.

I guess this thread is useless now.
You can still fire him now. Nothing stopping burke.

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12-25-2011, 12:26 PM
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Yeah! Wilson got extended today.

I guess this thread is useless now.
The good news is fans can boo him for another couple of years.

Seriously an extension, is just that, if the team doesn't perform to expectations he can be fired like any other of the 29 coaches in the NHL.

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12-25-2011, 12:27 PM
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You guys are kidding yourselves. He will not get fired, no matter how the team performs.

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The good news is fans can boo him for another couple of years.

Seriously an extension, is just that, if the team doesn't perform to expectations he can be fired like any other of the 29 coaches in the NHL.

what you meant to say was, MAD AS HELL

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what you meant to say was, MAD AS HELL
Not really, it's done now, now the focus will be on winning. No distractions, if the team doesn't perform well, that is making the playoffs. Then like any other coach in the NHL, the discussion will be whether to fire Wilson or not? An extension doesn't mean he will be here next year or the year after if the team doesn't perform well. So nothing really has changed.

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