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12-23-2011, 05:38 PM
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Gretzky made like 6.5M but I think he was an exception
And damn was he worth every cent...oh wait....you're talking about his coaching career. Nevermind...

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The mob has quieted down now that the Avalanche have strung some wins together—four in a row, to be exact. But despite winning a franchise-record eight straight home games, Colorado has lost nine straight on the road (0-8-1), and the situation overall hasn't changed much.

Sacco still isn't the right man for the job, win, lose, or draw.

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12-24-2011, 12:46 AM
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The mob has quieted down now that the Avalanche have strung some wins together—four in a row, to be exact. But despite winning a franchise-record eight straight home games, Colorado has lost nine straight on the road (0-8-1), and the situation overall hasn't changed much.

Sacco still isn't the right man for the job, win, lose, or draw.
Yeah I feel the same way. If the avs do well at best keep him as an assistant if the hopefully new head coach wants to keep him.

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The mob has quieted down now that the Avalanche have strung some wins together—four in a row, to be exact. But despite winning a franchise-record eight straight home games, Colorado has lost nine straight on the road (0-8-1), and the situation overall hasn't changed much.

Sacco still isn't the right man for the job, win, lose, or draw.
its quite because there is no sense in pitching about it anymore. We're stuck with him for the rest of the season now one would think. If they didn't fire him during the slump, there sure as hell not gonna now.

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12-24-2011, 12:49 AM
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its quite because there is no sense in pitching about it anymore. We're stuck with him for the rest of the season now one would think. If they didn't fire him during the slump, there sure as hell not gonna now.
This. I already gave up hope. Now I just accept it.

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Remember Avs fans, regardless of who our coach is, we're in this together.

Reznor is fantastic. Joe Sacco? Not so much. I don't see Sacco being fired this season; we'll let him go in the off-season. If ownership and management cared then he would have been gone a long, long, long time ago.

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Sacco once again leading a team to playoff contention that has no business being anywhere near it

The loaded LA Kings are fighting with the cap floor, youngest team in the NHL Avalanche. Defense is playing great, special teams is playing great, why would you want him fired right now?

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Sacco once again leading a team to playoff contention that has no business being anywhere near it

The loaded LA Kings are fighting with the cap floor, youngest team in the NHL Avalanche. Defense is playing great, special teams is playing great, why would you want him fired right now?
I'd rather wait a week or two before I could clamor Sacco to be fired.

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Sacco once again leading a team to playoff contention that has no business being anywhere near it

The loaded LA Kings are fighting with the cap floor, youngest team in the NHL Avalanche. Defense is playing great, special teams is playing great, why would you want him fired right now?
Because he still sucks.

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12-25-2011, 02:51 PM
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Sacco once again leading a team to playoff contention that has no business being anywhere near it

The loaded LA Kings are fighting with the cap floor, youngest team in the NHL Avalanche. Defense is playing great, special teams is playing great, why would you want him fired right now?
Leading a team to playoff contention once again? They're in 12th place in December, and he's only lead them to the playoffs once.

They've eliminated some of their mistakes and have been supporting each other in the offensive zone much better as of late, but don't act like they've made the playoffs already or that doing so is a regular occurrence for Sacco. That just smacks of a positive PR spin. Their downswing this year was way more impactful then this little upswing so far.

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These next two games are massive. Let's see what Sacco has got against an injured division rival on the road and then at home against a team that struggles on the road. Two very winnable games that could put us back in the top 8.

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12-25-2011, 03:32 PM
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I'm sorry to say it, but we're almost halfway through the season. If they were going to fire him to have a chance at the playoffs, I think they would have done it by now. He may have saved his job with these past 1-2 weeks. Sucks, but I think that's becoming reality to at least me.

At this point I think it's better to wait until the season's over, when you can interview more candidates rather than taking someone else's recycled head coaching goods. Who knows...they may fire Sherman and get rid of the whole lot during the summer, at which point it would make sense to have both the GM and Coaching spot open together.

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12-25-2011, 04:04 PM
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The mob has quieted down now that the Avalanche have strung some wins together—four in a row, to be exact. But despite winning a franchise-record eight straight home games, Colorado has lost nine straight on the road (0-8-1), and the situation overall hasn't changed much.

Sacco still isn't the right man for the job, win, lose, or draw.
I'm even more convinced now BECAUSE of the win streak that Sacco needs to go. It's obvious now that our biggest problem is simply a failure to compensate for other teams that know what we're going to do and changing our game plan.

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Sacco once again leading a team to playoff contention that has no business being anywhere near it

The loaded LA Kings are fighting with the cap floor, youngest team in the NHL Avalanche. Defense is playing great, special teams is playing great, why would you want him fired right now?
No business being anywhere near it?

Everyone's talking about how it's such a shame that the Kings are doing so bad because on paper they should be tops in the League, but on paper the Avs should be a 6 or 7 seed with good coaching.

At the moment Sacco is leading a team back to worse than they should be instead of way worse than they should be.

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12-25-2011, 04:10 PM
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Sacco once again leading a team to playoff contention that has no business being anywhere near it

The loaded LA Kings are fighting with the cap floor, youngest team in the NHL Avalanche. Defense is playing great, special teams is playing great, why would you want him fired right now?
Because theres teams like Phoenix, Minny, and Dallas that are doing much better then the Avs and on paper the Avs have a similar to or better team.

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12-25-2011, 04:57 PM
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No business being anywhere near it?

Everyone's talking about how it's such a shame that the Kings are doing so bad because on paper they should be tops in the League, but on paper the Avs should be a 6 or 7 seed with good coaching.

At the moment Sacco is leading a team back to worse than they should be instead of way worse than they should be.

I don't know about a 6th or 7th seed. Just a look at statistics and this team....

Goals For Avg - 2.50 (T-23rd)
Goals Against Avg - 2.92 (21st)
Shots Per Game - 31.5 (9th)
Shots Against Per Game - 29.6 (11th)
Save % - .902 (T-19th)
Power Play % - 20.2% (6th)
PK % - 80.9% (19th)
5 vs 5 +/- Goal Differential - (-0.7) (27th)


Their offense/defense just isn't good enough.

The Avs are not even a top 16 team in either category of GF or GA. Their goaltending (save %) is outside of the top 16, and they have a negative point differential in 5 vs 5 play. The only bright spot of this team right now that is playoff caliber is their PP% and their ability to throw the puck at the goaltender (for whatever that is worth).

If legitimate talent was on this roster, you would think that in one of the 3 phases of the game (offense/defense/goaltending) there would be success.

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12-25-2011, 05:00 PM
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Sacco once again leading a team to playoff contention that has no business being anywhere near it

The loaded LA Kings are fighting with the cap floor, youngest team in the NHL Avalanche. Defense is playing great, special teams is playing great, why would you want him fired right now?
Is this Greg or Joe?

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we're in the worst division in the league and 1-9 against them because sacco can't make adjustments...he still needs to go, our record against the east at least shows we have the talent to do something

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we're in the worst division in the league and 1-9 against them because sacco can't make adjustments...he still needs to go, our record against the east at least shows we have the talent to do something
Do you have examples of these "adjustments"? We're 0-4 against the Flames, 0-6 against the two teams, that is the sole reason you want him fired? Eastern conference coaches don't watch the Avs play and can't learn our systems and tendency's? Your also looking at incomplete stats and conclusions from them. Did you watch those games, I remember 1 was Varly getting blown out after we dominated the entire game and a couple other games where goalies stood on their heads. That works itself out come the end of the season and has nothing to do with coaching.

And some of you need to remove the goggles if you think we have a team that should finish 6th in the west. We finished 29th in the league last year and all we did was get a young goalie who is struggling, Landeskog, and a few other mediocre gap fillers. You don't win a cup when your best players average age ~22.

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Do you have examples of these "adjustments"? We're 0-4 against the Flames, 0-6 against the two teams, that is the sole reason you want him fired? Eastern conference coaches don't watch the Avs play and can't learn our systems and tendency's? Your also looking at incomplete stats and conclusions from them. Did you watch those games, I remember 1 was Varly getting blown out after we dominated the entire game and a couple other games where goalies stood on their heads. That works itself out come the end of the season and has nothing to do with coaching.

And some of you need to remove the goggles if you think we have a team that should finish 6th in the west. We finished 29th in the league last year and all we did was get a young goalie who is struggling, Landeskog, and a few other mediocre gap fillers. You don't win a cup when your best players average age ~22.
Yeah, us and our fully healthy team last year ended up at 29th right?

Johnson and Hejda aren't exactly gap fillers either. (At least, the Hejda we thought we got)

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12-26-2011, 12:47 AM
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Yeah, us and our fully healthy team last year ended up at 29th right?

Johnson and Hejda aren't exactly gap fillers either. (At least, the Hejda we thought we got)
You really think this squad is THAT much better than last? Especially taking into account...

1) Flash gone
2) Wilson out for year
3) Mueller will probably contribute as much this year as last

Injuries are part of the game.

Yeah Johnson is good but we lost significant production from Stewart, lazy nights included.

We pick up all these retreads like Hejda, Winnick, etc. and try to put them in bigger roles and it never seems to pan out.....That has happened for the past 4-5 years during the Granato and Q years as well.

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12-26-2011, 09:30 AM
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You really think this squad is THAT much better than last? Especially taking into account...

1) Flash gone
2) Wilson out for year
3) Mueller will probably contribute as much this year as last

Injuries are part of the game.

Yeah Johnson is good but we lost significant production from Stewart, lazy nights included.

We pick up all these retreads like Hejda, Winnick, etc. and try to put them in bigger roles and it never seems to pan out.....That has happened for the past 4-5 years during the Granato and Q years as well.
Wilson is out for the year? It's looking like thats a possibility, but is it confirmed?

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Do you have examples of these "adjustments"? We're 0-4 against the Flames, 0-6 against the two teams, that is the sole reason you want him fired? Eastern conference coaches don't watch the Avs play and can't learn our systems and tendency's? Your also looking at incomplete stats and conclusions from them. Did you watch those games, I remember 1 was Varly getting blown out after we dominated the entire game and a couple other games where goalies stood on their heads. That works itself out come the end of the season and has nothing to do with coaching.

And some of you need to remove the goggles if you think we have a team that should finish 6th in the west. We finished 29th in the league last year and all we did was get a young goalie who is struggling, Landeskog, and a few other mediocre gap fillers. You don't win a cup when your best players average age ~22.
So you blame Sherman and/or ownership?


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No doubt about it, Quincey is pissed.

http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/ci_19636512

Sacco's right about his play trailing off...the only problem I have with it is that if you want to send a message, bench him and then give him the chance to earn his spot in the lineup back. The only message this sent to Quincey is that he shouldn't seek treatment for an injury.

I get that Sacco doesn't want to mess with something that's working, but he should also have enough confidence to put the best lineup out there he can, and know that a simple swap of defenders isn't going to bring the whole house of cards down. What this says to me at least is that Sacco's confidence is about as delicate as those of his players and he's afraid to take chances. Sounds like a guy who's afraid of losing his job...once again I think he'll be let go, but probably not until the end of the season.

I do like that Hejduk felt the need to actually talk with the coaches about the situation. He was the right choice to wear the C, no doubt about it.

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You really think this squad is THAT much better than last? Especially taking into account...

1) Flash gone
2) Wilson out for year
3) Mueller will probably contribute as much this year as last
Wilson won't be out for the year. He'll be back soon enough. Mueller, although he shouldn't be counted on, also will be back at some point.

Injuries are part of the game.

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We did? Stewart and his whole 6 goals? McClemment has replaced that with his own 6 goals. There's nothing saying Stewart would have lit the world on fire here considering how he's played this year, so you can't really count on him returning to that 30 goal form atm.

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