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12-21-2011, 04:12 AM
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David Poile "...was asked for the 10,000th time what his plans are regarding unrestricted free agent-to-be Ryan Suter and restricted free agent-to-be Shea Weber:

'Ask me on February 27.'

...But should neither ink another contract in Tennessee, it's clear he's preparing plans B, C and D."

BTW, that's the date of the 2011-12 NHL Trade Deadline. At least, one of Weber or Suter is gone IMO, even if NSH are an 8th place seed come Feb. You just don't say things like that if negotiations with Suter are going well. And Weber ain't signing until Suter does.
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So which D-men not named Shea Weber could we realistically acquire by this trade deadline anyway? I've heard names like McBain and Wideman thrown around but are there really no right-handed stay-at-home options out there that's available?
Tim Gleason
Bryan Allen
maybe one of Morris or Aucoin from Phoenix
Filip Kuba
Johnny Oduya
Hal Gill
Greg Zanon (but I doubt Minny would want to trade with us)
Chris Campoli
maybe Scott Hannan
Mike Weaver (if Florida is out of the playoff race)
Matt Carkner
maybe Toni Lydman
Stephane Robidas.

Mike Weaver is pretty much the only right handed stay-at-home guy who might be available on Feb. 27th.
Some of these guys will require moving a higher cap hit, like Ballard.

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Tim Gleason
Bryan Allen
maybe one of Morris or Aucoin from Phoenix
Filip Kuba
Johnny Odu
ya
Hal Gill
Greg Zanon (but I doubt Minny would want to trade with us)
Chris Campoli
maybe Scott Hannan
Mike Weaver (if Florida is out of the playoff race)
Matt Carkner
maybe Toni Lydman
Stephane Robidas.

Mike Weaver is pretty much the only right handed stay-at-home guy who might be available on Feb. 27th.
Some of these guys will require moving a higher cap hit, like Ballard.
Not going to check all of them before I reply, but Im pretty sure the bolded ones are lefties.

Carkner isnt an upgrade, only in fisticuffs... So for RHS, its the PHX guys (their too comfortable in anonymity) and Weaver.

I'd honestly hope they keep their picks if they get in a bidding war at the deadline for Weaver.

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12-21-2011, 03:08 PM
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Not going to check all of them before I reply, but Im pretty sure the bolded ones are lefties.
That's actually not necessarily as big a problem as it was previously. Ballard was playing some solid hockey on the right-side with Rome prior to his injury; we may be able to get away with an upgrade on the left-side if Ballard can make the switch full-time.

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12-21-2011, 03:10 PM
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Not going to check all of them before I reply, but Im pretty sure the bolded ones are lefties.

Carkner isnt an upgrade, only in fisticuffs... So for RHS, its the PHX guys (their too comfortable in anonymity) and Weaver.

I'd honestly hope they keep their picks if they get in a bidding war at the deadline for Weaver.
Yeah, very few guys on the list are right handed. I just listed guys who could be available at the trade deadline.

Weaver, Aucoin/Morris, Carkner, and Robidas are right handed.

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Yeah, very few guys on the list are right handed. I just listed guys who could be available at the trade deadline.

Weaver, Aucoin/Morris, Carkner, and Robidas are right handed.
I was stoked on Robidas until I checked out a few Dallas games.

He's pretty close to useless, I'd say Ballard is a better defenseman on the right.

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12-21-2011, 05:26 PM
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Yeah, very few guys on the list are right handed. I just listed guys who could be available at the trade deadline.

Weaver, Aucoin/Morris, Carkner, and Robidas are right handed.
If we just add Aucoin by the deadline I'd be satisfied with that, however I'd prefer to also add a big burly RW/center as well, can never have too many center's for a long playoff run, as they can play wing too if need be.

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If we just add Aucoin by the deadline I'd be satisfied with that, however I'd prefer to also add a big burly RW/center as well, can never have too many center's for a long playoff run, as they can play wing too if need be.
Moen and Aucoin.

Where do I sign.

I know Moen is LW, but IM not too afraid of playing a LWer 10mins a game on the right side.

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Moen and Aucoin.

Where do I sign.
Damn that would be sexy, assuming we could get both for picks/prospects... (Moen and Aucoin's caphits are $3.5M... unlikely we could get them without shedding salary, unless Salo gets on LTIR just before the deadline and stays there till playoffs)

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Higgins
Raymond - Hodgson - Hansen
Moen - Lapierre - Malhotra
Bitz - Ebbet - Weise
Oreskovich

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Salo
Ballard - Aucoin
Rome - Alberts
Sulzer - Tanev

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Damn that would be sexy, assuming we could get both for picks/prospects... (Moen and Aucoin's caphits are $3.5M... unlikely we could get them without shedding salary, unless Salo gets on LTIR just before the deadline and stays there till playoffs)
From my post on the second page:

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows (6.1 + 6.1 + 2 = 14.2M)
Booth - Kesler - Higgins (4.25 + 5 + 1.9 = 11.15M)
Raymond - Hodgson - Hansen (2.55 + 1.667 + 1.35 = 5.56M)
Malhotra - Lapierre - Moen (2.5 + 1 + 1.5 = 5.0M)
Weise (0.605M)
Forward Total: 36.52M

Edler - Salo (3.25 + 2 = 5.25M)
Hamhuis - Bieksa (4.6 + 4.5 = 9.1M)
Ballard - Aucoin (4.2 + 2 = 6.2M)
Rome (0.750M)
Defense Total: 21.3M

Luongo (5.33)
Schneider (0.900)
Goaltending Total: 6.23M

Total: 64.05M

We could fit them easily and still stay under the cap, assuming we're willing to expose Alberts to waivers.

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12-22-2011, 12:00 AM
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From my post on the second page:

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows (6.1 + 6.1 + 2 = 14.2M)
Booth - Kesler - Higgins (4.25 + 5 + 1.9 = 11.15M)
Raymond - Hodgson - Hansen (2.55 + 1.667 + 1.35 = 5.56M)
Malhotra - Lapierre - Moen (2.5 + 1 + 1.5 = 5.0M)
Weise (0.605M)
Forward Total: 36.52M

Edler - Salo (3.25 + 2 = 5.25M)
Hamhuis - Bieksa (4.6 + 4.5 = 9.1M)
Ballard - Aucoin (4.2 + 2 = 6.2M)
Rome (0.750M)
Defense Total: 21.3M

Luongo (5.33)
Schneider (0.900)
Goaltending Total: 6.23M

Total: 64.05M

We could fit them easily and still stay under the cap, assuming we're willing to expose Alberts to waivers.
Dayum, sign me up for that then! That would be awesome.

Rome, Sulzer is decent #7-#8 depth.

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12-22-2011, 12:27 AM
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Should the Canucks ...........

Should the Canucks maybe try to get alexander Radulov from the Preds because he can put pucks in the net when he is playing good hockey imagine

Ballard,1st 2013,Sulzer for Radulov


Sedin-Sedin-Burrows(Primary Scoring)
Booth-Kesler-Radulov(Secondary Scoring)
Raymond-Hodgson-Higgins(Third Scoring Line)
Lappiere-Malhotra-Hansen(Shutdown Line)

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Salo
Rome-Alberts
Tanev

Luongo
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Should the Canucks maybe try to get alexander Radulov from the Preds because he can put pucks in the net when he is playing good hockey imagine

Ballard,1st 2013,2nd 2013,Sulzer for Radulov


Sedin-Sedin-Burrows(Primary Scoring)
Booth-Kesler-Radulov(Secondary Scoring)
Raymond-Hodgson-Higgins(Third Scoring Line)
Lappiere-Malhotra-Hansen(Shutdown Line)

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Salo
Rome-Alberts
Tanev

Luongo
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too much for 1 player imo...

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There is a reason he bolted to Russia, he wants money and ice time.
I'm not a fan of those types of players, and there is no guarantee of him coming back to the NHL.

I'd rather move that package for someone playing in the NHL right now.

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Should the Canucks maybe try to get alexander Radulov from the Preds because he can put pucks in the net when he is playing good hockey imagine

Ballard,1st 2013,Sulzer for Radulov


Sedin-Sedin-Burrows(Primary Scoring)
Booth-Kesler-Radulov(Secondary Scoring)
Raymond-Hodgson-Higgins(Third Scoring Line)
Lappiere-Malhotra-Hansen(Shutdown Line)

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Salo
Rome-Alberts
Tanev

Luongo
Shnieds
Yeah.... No.

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From my post on the second page:

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows (6.1 + 6.1 + 2 = 14.2M)
Booth - Kesler - Higgins (4.25 + 5 + 1.9 = 11.15M)
Raymond - Hodgson - Hansen (2.55 + 1.667 + 1.35 = 5.56M)
Malhotra - Lapierre - Moen (2.5 + 1 + 1.5 = 5.0M)
Weise (0.605M)
Forward Total: 36.52M

Edler - Salo (3.25 + 2 = 5.25M)
Hamhuis - Bieksa (4.6 + 4.5 = 9.1M)
Ballard - Aucoin (4.2 + 2 = 6.2M)
Rome (0.750M)
Defense Total: 21.3M

Luongo (5.33)
Schneider (0.900)
Goaltending Total: 6.23M

Total: 64.05M

We could fit them easily and still stay under the cap, assuming we're willing to expose Alberts to waivers.
me likey

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Definitely need to make sure our 4th line is a line we can trust in the playoffs.

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Definitely need to make sure our 4th line is a line we can trust in the playoffs.
A 4th line of Malhotra-Lapierre-Weise is trustworthy enough. The reality is that you can never be fully comfortable with a 4th line. Even if we acquire Moen to play with Lapierre and Malhotra, you still don't want them playing against opposition 2nd lines, much less 1st lines. A 4th line centered by Lapierre should be able to play 6-8 minutes if AV can play the match-up game well.

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Alberts doesn't even need to be exposed to waivers - Gillis can trade him for a pick or a d-man to play in Chicago to act as added depth if needed in the PO's.

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i think alberts will be traded at the deadline for a pick/prospect

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I know he's a leftie, but if LA keeps floundering then I think we should go after Willie Mitchell... he shouldn't be too expensive seeing as he's a free agent, and he adds a nice defensive element to our team. How bad could he be as a RD?

Hamhuis - Bieksa
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the time has sail with willie mitchell. he's injury prone. doesnt quite fit mike gillis's "mold of puckmovers".

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Raymond, Hodgson, 1st would be a package that Nashville should seriously consider for Weber.

Thing is, other teams can and will beat that.
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I agree that package will likely by other teams given the value of our 1st is a lot lower than other teams and making a deal like that could be a huge mistake for us.

If you look at our cap situation after next season, Elder will be a UFA that year (along with Higgins, Burrows, Maltoltra, and Alberts). As of right now, we'll have ~42 mil committed to just 9 players. This leaves us 20-25 mil (depends on CBA etc) to sign 11-14 players. Elder, Hig, and Bur are part of our core and likely resigned (and in the case of Elder, a lot more) than their current salary.

Weber probably would cost us close to 7mil/year, which would be more than the combined salary of our 3rd line. Unless we decided to go Weber instead of Elder, i doubt we are even in the market for Weber so Raymond is safe from being traded.

Raymond is having a career year this year but given he's still a RFA and given his contract was signed after a 53 pt breakout year 2 years ago (younger and before multiple major injuries), i doubt he'll get much of a raise unless we sign him long term or he gets 15+ points in the playoffs.
Huge mistake? I think you might be over analyzing here. You're worried about something two Stanley Cups later.

BTW, there is a way to have your cake and eat it too (assuming the tactic is still allowed under the new CBA)...
  • Alex Edler $40M over 10Y ($4M cap hit but really a $5.6M/Y type of contract)
  • Shea Weber $73M over 13Y ($5.6M cap hit but really a $7M/Y type of contract)

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can never have too many center's for a long playoff run, as they can play wing too if need be.
Not many slow or primarily play-making centers (or god forbid both) adapt all that well to the wing.

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