Chances are that he's not oblivious, nor does he not care, nor is he embarrassed. Most likely, the team does not feel like they were slapped in the face over this. Not even Avery's friends on the team. They understand that roster decisions are impersonal, that the coach is trying to do what he feels is best for the team. These are adults and professionals. This is not a high school class.
As for the "in your face" style of play. Yeah, Tortorella wants that, but he also wants the team to maintain a certain level of respect. It's a boundary that Avery tends to cross.
In my 35+ years of watching hockey, teams that truly play an in your face style are often crossing the line. It comes with the territory. If you are concerned about crossing the line, you need to change your approach as a coach.
When we look at the players that Tortorella had a positive force in bringing to the Rangers (Prospal, Fedotenko, Richards) and compare them with the players he has arguably slighted (Lisin, Avery) I would say that was better than a lot of coaches in the league.
When you have a bottom 6 player who is arguably slightly better than another bottom 6 player, and the coach picks one over the other, it is not necessarily an agenda pick.
In my 35+ years of watching hockey, teams that truly play an in your face style are often crossing the line. It comes with the territory. If you are concerned about crossing the line, you need to change your approach as a coach.
In my experience, you can't have both.
I'm not referring to Avery crossing the line in terms of the rules on the ice or how the other team reacts, I'm talking about Avery crossing the line that Tortorella sets out for them in where HE wants them playing.
It's called controlled aggression. He wants Avery to be in their face, but he doesn't want him doing things that show a lack of respect for the game (one of Tortorella's catch phrases) and he doesn't want him doing things that fire the other team up. Controlled aggression is a real thing.
Yeah, I'm sure nobody on the team cares that a player who actually can be an asset is being scratched in favor of Erik Christensen.
Youve shown throughout this thread, time and time again, that cognitive thinking is not your strong suit. But do you realize that Erik Christensen is a center? And if Brandon Dubinsky is ever going to get out of the 4th line C spot, another center will need to replace him there? Or is this just a 12-man free for all in your mind where Avery is in competition with someone that doesnt even play the same position?
Tonight, it looks like Avery AND Christensen is out of the lineup, with Rupp playing center, which is not ideal; certainly better than giving the defensively inept Avery a spot down the middle though.
I suppose your narrow mind will just go back to bashing Rupp, Mitchell, and Torts again, but I honestly dont know if you can figure out this concept...as well as many others.
I'm not referring to Avery crossing the line in terms of the rules on the ice or how the other team reacts, I'm talking about Avery crossing the line that Tortorella sets out for them in where HE wants them playing.
It's called controlled aggression. He wants Avery to be in their face, but he doesn't want him doing things that show a lack of respect for the game (one of Tortorella's catch phrases) and he doesn't want him doing things that fire the other team up. Controlled aggression is a real thing.
Yes except these rules and lines and all this other nonsense you're talking about is never anything that has been stated. It's just more made up subjective opinion. You believe that there's an imaginary line that has been instituted that Sean has crossed and thus it validates his absence from the lineup.
Pretty sure it's more likely that Torts just doesn't like Sean. You know, because we actually have a lot of evidence of that.
Youve shown throughout this thread, time and time again, that cognitive thinking is not your strong suit. But do you realize that Erik Christensen is a center? And if Brandon Dubinsky is ever going to get out of the 4th line C spot, another center will need to replace him there? Or is this just a 12-man free for all in your mind where Avery is in competition with someone that doesnt even play the same position?
Tonight, it looks like Avery AND Christensen is out of the lineup, with Rupp playing center, which is not ideal; certainly better than giving the defensively inept Avery a spot down the middle though.
I suppose your narrow mind will just go back to bashing Rupp, Mitchell, and Torts again, but I honestly dont know if you can figure out this concept...as well as many others.
And you do realize that Avery was scratched when Dubi was still in the middle of the fourth line?
But yeah you're right. Rupp or Mitchell. He's better than both of them too.
Yeah, I remember that. But there is a reason he hasn't been a PKer for most of his career. The Rangers have a good PK. Why sit a player who is a big part of not only the 5v4, but also the 5v3?
05-06 SH TOI/G 1:12
06-07 SH TOI/G 1:41
07-08 SH TOI/G :50
Yes except these rules and lines and all this other nonsense you're talking about is never anything that has been stated. It's just more made up subjective opinion. You believe that there's an imaginary line that has been instituted that Sean has crossed and thus it validates his absence from the lineup.
Pretty sure it's more likely that Torts just doesn't like Sean. You know, because we actually have a lot of evidence of that.
Apparently you weren't watching this team the times that Avery HAS gone over the line with Tortorella. It did happen, just because you've decided not to remember it is not my problem. In fact, this whole idea of Tortorella hating Avery is from before we actually had anything substantial to go off of. My subjective opinion is based in events that have actually happened. Your subjective opinion is based on things Tortorella said before he was the coach.
I resent this idea that Avery is poor positionally or a dumb player. I think Avery is actually a very smart player...when he is in control of his emotions. Avery has positioning that is above average in this league, particularly when his team has the puck. He has good instincts in terms of where to be and when to be there. The problem is his priorities aren't always right, and he's liable to sacrifice these things that he actually does well to do something ill-advised.
Apparently you weren't watching this team the times that Avery HAS gone over the line with Tortorella. It did happen, just because you've decided not to remember it is not my problem. In fact, this whole idea of Tortorella hating Avery is from before we actually had anything substantial to go off of. My subjective opinion is based in events that have actually happened. Your subjective opinion is based on things Tortorella said before he was the coach.
I resent this idea that Avery is poor positionally or a dumb player. I think Avery is actually a very smart player...when he is in control of his emotions. Avery has positioning that is above average in this league, particularly when his team has the puck. He has good instincts in terms of where to be and when to be there. The problem is his priorities aren't always right, and he's liable to sacrifice these things that he actually does well to do something ill-advised.
Yeah I agree. I've been pretty clear that I understand he's not the best defensive player, but I think that has more to do with the fact that he cheats. He has flaws, that much is for sure. But he has many positive attributes.
One of them was in the 09 playoffs. I know it's happened at least a couple of other times, but am currently having trouble remembering the specific games.
One of them was in the 09 playoffs. I know it's happened at least a couple of other times, but am currently having trouble remembering the specific games.
Is he an asshat and that's why he's sitting or is it because
Rupp > Avery
Well, it's pretty evident by the post I am quoting that you clear bias against Sean Avery.
wassamatter, hs piss in your cornflakes?
Jesus, the reading comprehension around here can be absurd sometimes.
I personally would rather have Rupp in the bottom six than Avery, just based on the type of skillsets they offer. That's why I said Rupp > Avery. Why do I think he's sitting? Because Tort's doesn't like him.
I'm not going to kvetch about it because A) Torts has valid reasons not to like the guy and B) I don't think him out of the lineup has cost the team any games.
And yes, I'm well aware of the win/loss record with him in the lineup.
I resent this idea that Avery is poor positionally or a dumb player. I think Avery is actually a very smart player...when he is in control of his emotions. Avery has positioning that is above average in this league, particularly when his team has the puck. He has good instincts in terms of where to be and when to be there. The problem is his priorities aren't always right, and he's liable to sacrifice these things that he actually does well to do something ill-advised.
I agree that Avery is OK when hes in control of his emotions.
I just dont think hes in control of those all too much. Incidentally, I also think this is why he has such a fan club.
Can Dubinsky play the left side or Hagelin play the right? I would like to see Dubinsky on Richard's wing. It'll only be matter of time before he snaps out of his funk with Richards dishing him the puck. And when Wolski is back, Boyle/Avery out:
I think he mentioned that to call out Torts on the fact that he applies the 'control your emotions' and 'respect the game' mantra on Sean while he couldn't even do that himself, getting into an altercation - with a fan(!) - during a very important game.
I think he mentioned that to call out Torts on the fact that he applies the 'control your emotions' and 'respect the game' mantra on Sean while he couldn't even do that himself, getting into an altercation - with a fan(!) - during a very important game.
This. And Avery should be in for Mitchell next game.
