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12-18-2011, 08:08 PM
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Spin the wheel!
2010 Toronto draft in the making?
All shinnanigans aside this is not even close.
Weber will cost one of Eberle or Hall + Petry + 1st round pick + depth prospect (Pitlick or Omark). Even then Nashville would likley decline.

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12-18-2011, 08:14 PM
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Spin the wheel!
2010 Toronto draft in the making?
This offer is just plain stupid sorry

you could at least look at Edmonton's strengths and ahve them offering up a top forward package which includes Gagner and MPS.

Nashville isn't trading Weber anyways.

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12-18-2011, 08:22 PM
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They get Petry who is a sophomore player being played on the top-pairing with Whitney, and Edmonton's 1st round draft pick. Edmonton is currently 1 point out of the lottery.

I realize it's a bassackwards trade. But I think there's a bit of desperation on Edmonton's part to get out of the basement.

And on Nashville's side their cap concerns wash away and they get a serviceable 17-20m/night d-man out of it with future considerations as a top pairing + a 1st rounder that could be very good.
Sadly I don't think that you are trolling but still you have no idea on what you are talking about either.

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And you don't give up RNH, Hall, or Eberle, and that's really what Nashville wants to accomplish in this trade. We want Edmonton to be cup champions.


Not being sarcastic Petry is redundant with Josi and Blum and Ellis and Ekholm.
Exactly Petry is at best 3rd on this list.

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Might want to try Montreal or Buffalo. They have Webers that are probably available for that package.
That's more in line with what Petry is worth

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12-18-2011, 08:23 PM
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This is frustrating for a non-Preds fan, I can't even imagine how bad it has to be for Preds fans. None of those deals are even close. I've said this in several other Weber/Suter threads but fans choose to ignore logic for the sake of their own fantasy's I guess.

The price for players of Weber or Suter's calibre even if they are upcoming UFA's has been established through the years from the handful of other deals that could be seen as comparable in talent level. The price for either Suter or Weber will be A YOUNG TOP 6 FORWARD OR TOP 4 D WITH 1ST LINE OR TOP PAIRING POTENTIAL, A 1ST ROUNDER AND 1 OF A TEAMS TOP PROSPECTS. This is the minimum with conditional picks added as needed.
What is frustrating is your egregious use of the word logic. If the proposal fits neither inductive reason nor deductive reason then how can logic at all be applied in this case? You are clearly not the authority of logic as you seem to suggest. This word, along with reason and rationality, is one of the most misused words on this forum (and on internet forums in general). If you do not understand simple propositional logic then you ought to never use the word logic.~end rant

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12-18-2011, 08:50 PM
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IF IF IF IF he wants to come here

Why not wait until after the draft and sign him to a 1 year Offer Sheet

A) you dont give up any players
B) you hopefully dont give up a high pick
C) nashville cant match or they will lose him for nothing in 2013 (cant match OS and trade within 1 year)

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12-18-2011, 08:54 PM
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You would have to wait and see if it is a top 3 draft pick or not and then decide what has to be added. If it is the 1st over all you take the best player available and continue the rebuild.

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12-18-2011, 09:08 PM
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My general Weber being traded response.

He and Suter will not be traded unless the Preds have no shot at the Playoffs and he demands it. Stop listening to HNIC Hotstove.

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12-18-2011, 09:16 PM
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What is frustrating is your egregious use of the word logic. If the proposal fits neither inductive reason nor deductive reason then how can logic at all be applied in this case? You are clearly not the authority of logic as you seem to suggest. This word, along with reason and rationality, is one of the most misused words on this forum (and on internet forums in general). If you do not understand simple propositional logic then you ought to never use the word logic.~end rant
There aren't any girls around here to try to impress with your cerebral dissection of the word "logic" - but thanks for wasting 20 seconds of my life I'll never get back. Feel free to ignore any of my further posts. Thx.

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12-18-2011, 09:16 PM
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Spin the wheel!
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HAHAHA!


No. Not even close.

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12-18-2011, 09:26 PM
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as I said the LAST TIME this trade came up

Offer sheet weber on the 1st of july AND sign Suter as well

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12-18-2011, 09:32 PM
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as I said the LAST TIME this trade came up

Offer sheet weber on the 1st of july AND sign Suter as well
4 - 1st rounders is a pretty steep price to pay

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12-18-2011, 09:42 PM
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The problem in this deal is the 1st rounder. If it's 1st-3rd overall, the trade is likely in the Preds favor (depends on how the potential draftees end up). If it's 4th-7th or so, it's probably an even trade. If it's below that, the Oilers are getting a steal here.

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12-18-2011, 09:45 PM
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4 - 1st rounders is a pretty steep price to pay
A) not really
B) if its under 7.8 its only 2
C) if the cap goes up, 7.8 turns into 8 or 8.2

considering it wouldnt include the 2012 1st, the OS would take place after this draft, and the next pick shouldn't be very high

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12-18-2011, 09:47 PM
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A) not really
B) if its under 7.8 its only 2
C) if the cap goes up, 7.8 turns into 8 or 8.2

considering it wouldnt include the 2012 1st, the OS would take place after this draft, and the next pick shouldn't be very high
I'm pretty sure Nash would match anything under 4 1sts

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12-18-2011, 09:59 PM
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as I said the LAST TIME this trade came up

Offer sheet weber on the 1st of july AND sign Suter as well
We can only afford one of them long term, and Suter will be the cheapeast to aquire.

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12-18-2011, 11:16 PM
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I'm pretty sure Nash would match anything under 4 1sts
Not a 1 year offer.

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12-18-2011, 11:25 PM
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Why on earth would Weber willingly sign another 1 year deal?

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12-18-2011, 11:38 PM
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I agree with the Pred fans. They value is horrible. But you know what? You're never going to get full value for a player is good as Nashville.

Can Nashville afford to resign him? Because if they can't they aren't going to get full value for him. I'm not saying that the best you're going to get is a future#2 d-man and a 1st rounder, but you're probably not going to get a hell of a lot better than that considering how much salary Nashville frees up in this deal.

Nashville is still a beast on the back end after a trade like this one and then they can resign Suter(who's going to be a bit cheaper) and maybe even *gasp* sign a good top-6 forward.

I can't remember a team so loaded on the rear and so weak up front winning the Stanley Cup.

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12-18-2011, 11:46 PM
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Not even close to fair value. Assuming that the Oilers won't offer any of Hall, Eberle and RNH (which they won't), and Smyth is not being traded, I think it would need to be something closer to this (which still isn't enough, by the way):

Ryan Whitney
Magnus Pajaarvi
1st round pick this year
2nd round pick this year
Depth prospect (Omark?)

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12-18-2011, 11:50 PM
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Not even close to fair value. Assuming that the Oilers won't offer any of Hall, Eberle and RNH (which they won't), and Smyth is not being traded, I think it would need to be something closer to this (which still isn't enough, by the way):

Ryan Whitney
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1st round pick this year
2nd round pick this year
Depth prospect (Omark?)
If the Preds feel that re-signing both is not going to happen, this is a good offer IMO

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Not a 1 year offer.
1-year at $7.8 they easily match. At silly $$, we let him go, but I think the Oilers would be colossally stupid to give up four 1st round picks to sign Weber to a one-year contract, to see him likely bolt in the off-season. Nevermind that I see no motivation for Weber to do something like this.

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If the Preds feel that re-signing both is not going to happen, this is a good offer IMO
Not from a Preds POV. Mind you, I'm not expecting the packages that some fans are, if either are dealt, but I'd like to think Poile can garner something better than an oft-injured, underachieving, offensive d-man, and a very shaky top 6 prospect. I know Whitney has played better for the Oilers, but I'd want no part of him as a centerpiece.

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Why on earth would Weber willingly sign another 1 year deal?
Because it would take him to UFA.

Unless he's getting paid a ludicrous amount, every player 1 year prior to UFA eligibility would want a 1 year deal.

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12-19-2011, 12:14 AM
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Because it would take him to UFA.

Unless he's getting paid a ludicrous amount, every player 1 year prior to UFA eligibility would want a 1 year deal.
If that was the plan he had in mind then he would have elected for a 2 year deal over the summer.

Furthermore, why WOULDN'T he be getting paid a ludicrous amount? Nashville (or any team that acquires him) fully expects to pay UFA price for him.

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If that was the plan he had in mind then he would have elected for a 2 year deal last year.

Furthermore, why WOULDN'T he be getting paid a ludicrous amount? Nashville (or any team that acquires him) fully expects to pay UFA price for him.
Bidding war. If he makes it to the market as a UFA, I would fully expect the price to go up to a highly, highly frontloaded contract similar to Christian Ehrhoff's of Brad Richards'. Weber can go about with his plan as he wants with the arbitration system. Maybe Poile didn't want to give him the two years, knowing he'd try and tes the FA market. If Weber wants to become a UFA, he will become one.

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