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03-09-2014, 08:46 PM
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Will the Capitals ever win with Ovechkin?

I know I will get crapped on for saying this, but here's my two cents:

The Caps will never win anything with Ovechkin unless he changes his game. Or, they build a superstar team around him. Their offense is so centered around him, come playoff time when you see the same team for at least 4 games straight, you figure it out. There is a reason they haven't been past the 2nd round of the playoffs since he came there.

Washington has had all stars along with Ovi like Semin, Backstrom, Green and other solid players like Ward, Carlson, Laich, Schultz, Kozlov, Fedorov, etc. Hell in 2011 they had some of the best goaltending in the game.

I know some Ovechkin slappy will come on here and complain about how bad their teams were, but in reality, they are a one dimensional team with Ovechkin being their offense.

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The reason they have never won anything with Ovechkin is the buffoon that is making the team. Ovi has produced in most playoff series he has been in, I still remember the epic Crosby and Ovi battle of 2009. He can't win if the rest of his team is crap. Believe it or not, 1 player can't win the cup himself. The "great" Capitals teams had extremely bad F depth and/or extremely bad D. They didn't have the depth or defense that other cup winning teams had.

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They'd be even worse without him. The problem is the team, not Ovechkin. That's lunacy.

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Will Ovechkin ever win with the Capitals?
This is the correct question.

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I'm not saying he is a bad player, I'm saying the offense is so centered around him, I don't think they will ever win while doing it. Either he needs to change his style or the coaches need to realize it. The guy takes 800 shots a season and I think if he possibly dealt the puck more, they would be better and more productive. He would draw attention away.

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I'm not saying he is a bad player, I'm saying the offense is so centered around him, I don't think they will ever win while doing it. Either he needs to change his style or the coaches need to realize it. The guy takes 800 shots a season and I think if he possibly dealt the puck more, they would be better and more productive. He would draw attention away.
They don't have the depth to do that, which goes back to the person who makes the team. Teams like Chicago, Pittsburgh, LA, Boston and Detroit had the depth to do that. Washington both then and now don't have that depth.

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I'm not saying he is a bad player, I'm saying the offense is so centered around him, I don't think they will ever win while doing it. Either he needs to change his style or the coaches need to realize it. The guy takes 800 shots a season and I think if he possibly dealt the puck more, they would be better and more productive. He would draw attention away.
Do you really think that his style and his absurd number of shots per season is the reason for the Caps' failure ?

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They don't have the depth to do that, which goes back to the person who makes the team. Teams like Chicago, Pittsburgh, LA, Boston and Detroit had the depth to do that. Washington both then and now don't have that depth.
I actually disagree with that. Maybe not this year, but look at the players Washington had in the past. Green, Laich, Backstrom, Semin, Fedorov, Ward, Grabovski, Knuble, etc, etc. I'm not saying these guys can crank 50, but those guys can score 20-30 goals a season.

There are plenty of guys who can become 30 goal scorers when playing with other great players. I know Ovechkin is not a distributor, but my point is that I don't see his style working for the team.

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Their goals allowed/season over the past has ranked league wide over the past 3 seasons: 24th, 18th, 21st. Their defense has been subpar each of the last 3yrs.

And do you forget:

Caps gave have won their division 5 of the 8 seasons ovechkin has played for them.
Caps won the Eastern conference in the regular season 2 of the 8 seasons ovechkin has played for them. It's not like they were bad. lol


They've been great and mediocre with Ovechkin. Rarely to never is a the 2nd greatest player in the world a reason why his team isn't doing good.

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Washington's lack of success has a lot more to do with George Mcphee than it does Ovechkin. Any star player would be in tough to win under those circumstances.

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It's not Ovechkin's fault that the rest of the team sucks. Did you even put any thought into this before you posted?

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Their goals allowed/season over the past has ranked league wide over the past 3 seasons: 24th, 18th, 21st. Their defense has been subpar each of the last 3yrs.

And do you forget:

Caps gave have won their division 5 of the 8 seasons ovechkin has played for them.
Caps won the Eastern conference in the regular season 2 of the 8 seasons ovechkin has played for them. It's not like they were bad. lol


They've been great and mediocre with Ovechkin. Rarely to never is a the 2nd greatest player in the world a reason why his team isn't doing good.
Stamkos? Tavares? Toews? Malkin? Datsyuk?

Anyhow, those are cute stats, but like I said they have never made it past the 2nd round of the playoffs. Convenient how you leave out this year where the Caps won't even make the playoffs. I'm a Wings fan, winning the conference is meaningless.....trust me. All that matters is competing in the playoffs.

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Not as long as the team is built around him. He's not a winner or leader you win with as the go to guy. He fits more of a secondary and complementary role where he isn't counted on as the main reason for winning. He can be a follower and win, but can't be a leader and win.

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No, but they will win with Kuznetsov after they trade OV for Gagner, a 3rd, and future considerations.

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Not as long as the team is built around him. He's not a winner or leader you win with as the go to guy. He fits more of a secondary and complementary role when he isn't counted on as the main reason for winning. He can be a follower and win, but can't be a leader and win.
Hey, someone who sees it my way. Finally.

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Washington's lack of success has a lot more to do with George Mcphee than it does Ovechkin. Any star player would be in tough to win under those circumstances.
Exactly. They may have had the offensive depth a few years back but McPhee never truly did address the defence. Running rookie goalie after rookie goalie in the playoffs was another huge McPhee mistake.

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I actually disagree with that. Maybe not this year, but look at the players Washington had in the past. Green, Laich, Backstrom, Semin, Fedorov, Ward, Grabovski, Knuble, etc, etc. I'm not saying these guys can crank 50, but those guys can score 20-30 goals a season.
Most of those players produced along Ovechkin, but that's not what I'm talking about when I say depth. Look at the 2009 Penguins for an example. Without that 3rd line (Cooke-Staal-Kennedy), the Pens would not have won the cup. That's the kind if depth you need to win cups, not Laich, Ward or Grabovski. While the Caps top line of Ovi-Backstrom-Semin was powerful, that's all those teams had. There wasn't any good depth on those teams.

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I'm not saying he is a bad player,
Unbelievable, that's generous of you
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I'm saying the offense is so centered around him, I don't think they will ever win while doing it.
No slitz it's centered around him - it's not like they have many finishers or shooters on the team. Even our best C is shy about taking a shot once in a while. You know to keep the other team guessing. And for the nth time, #8 is an underrated passer. Since you're an "authority" tell me who's a good finisher on the team?

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Either he needs to change his style or the coaches need to realize it. The guy takes 800 shots a season and I think if he possibly dealt the puck more, they would be better and more productive. He would draw attention away.
Freaking HC Oates & GMGM need to get on the same page or same book would be a start, and bring in at least 1 top 4 dman. Hopefully Kuz will help offensively, Halak will be good or better, and Holts will find his game. Else the team is in deep doo-doo.

FFS Ovechkin is getting more loony threads than Philly Kessel. At least some of Kessel's are hyping him

Ovechkin, and his game, are not this teams problems.


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Not as long as the team is built around him. He's not a winner or leader you win with as the go to guy. He fits more of a secondary and complementary role where he isn't counted on as the main reason for winning. He can be a follower and win, but can't be a leader and win.
There's no such thing as a winner (player) in a team sport.

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There's no such thing as a winner (player) in a team sport.
Yep. Take Ovechkin off the Caps during his entire tenure and replace him with any other player. Guess what? McPhee is still running the show and they're still at 0 Cups.

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The correct question is " Will the Capitals ever win with George McPhee as GM and Dick Patrick as President"?

The answer, a resounding "No"!!!

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Stamkos? Tavares? Toews? Malkin? Datsyuk?

Anyhow, those are cute stats, but like I said they have never made it past the 2nd round of the playoffs. Convenient how you leave out this year where the Caps won't even make the playoffs. I'm a Wings fan, winning the conference is meaningless.....trust me. All that matters is competing in the playoffs.
Here are some other cute stats for you : Ovechkin in the playoffs
58 games :31 goals 30 assists 61 pts

That guy is clutch in the playoffs.

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Yep. Take Ovechkin off the Caps during his entire tenure and replace him with any other player. Guess what? McPhee is still running the show and they're still at 0 Cups.
Spot on !

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