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12-19-2011, 12:12 AM
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He did it to Seguin last year. He was terrible. Then he let the leash go and Seguin is doing what he's doing right now.
He did it to Seguin this year too, despite his great year. He scratched him for missing a meeting or being late for it, something like that.

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12-19-2011, 12:13 AM
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I like Eller, don't get me wrong. All I'm saying is that the premise of the article is false.
The premise of the article is the new coach has plans. The lead of the article says Eller smiled when asked about his icetime.

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The extra 2 seconds made him smile in jubilation? After blowing a 3rd period lead again and being on the ice for 3 goals? I sure hope he wasn't grinning after that.
The article reads "No, Eller was not pleased that his Canadiens blew yet another lead at home in Saturday night's 5-3 loss to the New Jersey Devils." That seems clear.

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And I suspect that given the "quality" of the report he may have grinned and the person who wrote this assumed a bunch of things without looking them up.
He's a fairly respected writer commenting on the new coach's plans, uses a youngster's grin in the lead. Simply, the article is about a young player and a new coach and new plans. It isn't really about the old coach, except in the sense that the new coach has new plans: giving kids a chance, emphasizing roles and chemistry, and shunning negative reinforcement. These seem pretty good goals.

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I was more referring to this passage: "Forward lines would change mid-game on a regular basis". Martin would make these in-game adjustments, and really, he won a few games because of them.
Hard to establish causality he may have won a few and lost a few as well. Many were critical of his breaking up lines.

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I like Arpon. One of the most reasonable media folks there are. I think his contrasting of Cunneyworth with Martin is a bit off, however, I think he may be dramatizing for effect.

And while a piece like this has to be written positively, one could easily rephrase it it as "devaluing experience, emphasizing rigid roles, and deemphasizing accountability". It's all a balancing act. I hope Randy finds the right balance.

Or "devaluing entitlement, emphasizing chemistry, and deemphasizing punishment". Depends how you look at it. I don't buy the "accountability" argument the responsibility seemed weighted toward punishment, of rookies, for rookie mistakes -- which IMHO set players up for fear-of-failure mindsets. Now at least one rookie is smiling that's good enough for me.

Agree he's dramatizing but you know, this is the biggest story in Montreal this week! lol

Go Habs Go !!!

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I was very happy to see Eller and Leblanc get more icetime but very perplexed to see Darche get so much icetime. I'm not sure if Cunneyworth "gets it" yet. I'll withhold judgment for a few games.

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12-19-2011, 12:21 AM
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Let me guess.

If I asked you to defend the record of Gauthier as a GM, one of the first things you would say is that he brought in Eller.

Right?

Yet you kick him to the curb with the 3 goals comment.

Who cares if he was on the ice for 3 goals. He is still young. Martin would have benched him and he would forever be a tentative player.

Cunneyworth is showing that he understands that the way players learn and develop is to play through adversity.
He was on the ice for 3 goals. That's a fact.

If he was happy and giggly after that AND blowing another lead (which I highly doubt) then he's got some serious problems and Cunneyworth is going to lose his room in a hurry.

This sums up his article "Hey, the Montreal Canadiens fired their coach and blew another lead but it's ok! Lars Eller was happy!"

Only problem is he had the exact same icetime or a bit less the last 5 games so the entire argument is asinine. Plus I seriously doubt Eller was happy or smiling.

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Montreal went short-handed five times.

Darche played just over five minutes on the penalty kill.

Darche played no minutes on the powerplay.

Should he be playing a little less? Sure. It has improved though.

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I was very happy to see Eller and Leblanc get more icetime but very perplexed to see Darche get so much icetime. I'm not sure if Cunneyworth "gets it" yet. I'll withhold judgment for a few games.
It really is very simple. Eller and Darche are linemates. If Eller gets lots of icetime, then Darche will automatically get lots of icetime. It's the same when Martin or Cunneyworth is the coach.

The fracas over Darche's icetime was ridiculous. It stunk of another reason to take a dig at Martin, and the fact that Cunneyworth was not panned for the exact same thing tends to confirm that.

It all happens because the media almost universally refuse to even mention the Habs' injury situation. That situation has made Darche the #9 forward, and that's counting Leblanc ahead of him. Like it or not, that will net him significant icetime.

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Montreal went short-handed five times.

Darche played just over five minutes on the penalty kill.

Darche played no minutes on the powerplay.
That's also a very accurate description of the last game Martin coached, give or take one PK.

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It really is very simple. Eller and Darche are linemates. If Eller gets lots of icetime, then Darche will automatically get lots of icetime. It's the same when Martin or Cunneyworth is the coach.

The fracas over Darche's icetime was ridiculous. It stunk of another reason to take a dig at Martin, and the fact that Cunneyworth was not panned for the exact same thing tends to confirm that.

It all happens because the media almost universally refuse to even mention the Habs' injury situation. That situation has made Darche the #9 forward, and that's counting Leblanc ahead of him. Like it or not, that will net him significant icetime.
Nobody complained about Darche's icetime under Martin except for people in this forum. Why? Because in reality he got very little icetime. It's just a myth people pulled out of their *****. It's really that simple. And even if it were true who the hell cares. It's scrutinizing and knit-picking for the sake of it.

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12-19-2011, 12:35 AM
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Darches ice time was high because Gionta and Moen are still out itll decrease soon enough. I like Cunneyworth and think he'll improve the team and maximize the teams strengths which Martin couldnt do

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theres something I like about this mister cunning. I think he'll be good.

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Nobody complained about Darche's icetime under Martin except for people in this forum.
Well, there was a small Twitterstorm after the Philly game because Darche had more ES icetime than a bunch of important forwards. I think it was started by Godin (who didn't really comment on it, just made note).

Needless to say, the same thing happening under Cunneyworth did not garner the same amount of attention.

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Darches ice time was high because Gionta and Moen are still out itll decrease soon enough. I like Cunneyworth and think he'll improve the team and maximize the teams strengths which Martin couldnt do
What strengths do you speak of exactly? I thought we had the best PK in the league and amongst the top teams in 5 on 5 play under Martin.

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Well, there was a small Twitterstorm after the Philly game because Darche had more ES icetime than a bunch of important forwards. I think it was started by Godin (who didn't really comment on it, just made note).

Needless to say, the same thing happening under Cunneyworth did not garner the same amount of attention.
No because Cunneyworth doubled his icetime because of injuries to Moen and Gio but when JM played Darche for half the time with the same guys injured he had a love affair with him.

Anyway, this is getting retarded. I'm hitting the hay. Good luck fighting the good fight Mathman.

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What strengths do you speak of exactly? I thought we had the best PK in the league and amongst the top teams in 5 on 5 play under Martin.
Playing to their strengths meaning maximizing there potential and getting the most out of his players (like he said in the press conference). Under Martin we sat back a lot and it stifled our offensive players. I think Cunneyworth will bring out the very best in our offensive players i.e Cammy Subban and see Eller progress a lot better too. Just my 2 cents

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I am not a big fan of playing Eller more often. The guy looks very rusty in the defensive zone lately. Hopefully it gives him more confidence on offense, though.

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Let me guess.

If I asked you to defend the record of Gauthier as a GM, one of the first things you would say is that he brought in Eller.

Right?

Yet you kick him to the curb with the 3 goals comment.

Who cares if he was on the ice for 3 goals. He is still young. Martin would have benched him and he would forever be a tentative player.

Cunneyworth is showing that he understands that the way players learn and develop is to play through adversity.
BINGO!

He wouldn't have been on the ice for 3 goals.


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I am not a big fan of playing Eller more often. The guy looks very rusty in the defensive zone lately. Hopefully it gives him more confidence on offense, though.
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I am not a big fan of playing Eller more often. The guy looks very rusty in the defensive zone lately. Hopefully it gives him more confidence on offense, though.
He's probably our second best defensive forward after Pleks.

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He's probably our second best defensive forward after Pleks.
That's just the mancrush/bromance in you talking

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That's just the mancrush/bromance in you talking
Circular argument. Do I think he's awesome because I have a mancrush or do I have a mancrush because he's awesome?

Boucher Stat's back me up on this. Eller is 22 and a stud defensively.

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Circular argument. Do I think he's awesome because I have a mancrush or do I have a mancrush because he's awesome?

Boucher Stat's back me up on this. Eller is 22 and a stud defensively.
I was going to bring up the Hygrade slogan... but I'm afraid to add frankfurters into the equation

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That's just the mancrush/bromance in you talking
although i'd like to rephrase the "second best forward defensively after pleks" to "second best center defensively after pleks", then sign me up for the man crush too.

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although i'd like to rephrase the "second best forward defensively after pleks" to "second best center defensively after pleks", then sign me up for the man crush too.
Well on offense, who is better defensively? Perhaps moen, which is why I only wrote 'probably', but I find that Moen often has trouble getting the puck out of the zone when we're under pressure. Noke? He's great on faceoffs and solid defensively, but I still think Eller is better.

Who isn't better than Eller defensively? Gomez, Darche, Kostitsyn, Cammy, Gionta, Cole, Patches, Desharnais. In my opinion, of course.

I think he'll be more valuable defensively as he continues to up his faceoff %. He's already improved it by 5% since last year. Now he's only 2% behind pleks.

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although i'd like to rephrase the "second best forward defensively after pleks" to "second best center defensively after pleks", then sign me up for the man crush too.
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Well on offense, who is better defensively? Perhaps moen, which is why I only wrote 'probably', but I find that Moen often has trouble getting the puck out of the zone when we're under pressure. Noke? He's great on faceoffs and solid defensively, but I still think Eller is better.

Who isn't better than Eller defensively? Gomez, Darche, Kostitsyn, Cammy, Gionta, Cole, Patches, Desharnais. In my opinion, of course.

I think he'll be more valuable defensively as he continues to up his faceoff %. He's already improved it by 5% since last year. Now he's only 2% behind pleks.
Valid argument. I'll admit he's good... but there has to be something else that explains the mancrush.

It's the hair, right?

Or is it the eyes?

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