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12-19-2011, 09:16 PM
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ien/index.html

I really hate how the NCAA allows situations like these to happen and shatter any good perceptions of other student-athlete experiences. Someone being able to pursue a graduate degree while still participating in athletics should be celebrated, not ruined because of pettiness.

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-Player wants to use graduate degree exemption to play 1 more year at UAB after initial 4 year scholarship
-Needs St. Joes, his undergrad school, to approve transfer.
-His St. Joe's coach is holding a grudge and not signing off to allow him to play for his graduate school


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12-19-2011, 09:52 PM
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That is a bit ridiculous. if the school cannot give a valid reason for objecting the transfer the NCAA should step in and allow the player to play.

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12-19-2011, 10:22 PM
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Martelli sounds like a real jerk, but seeing how egotistical some mid-major college coaches can be, that doesn't really surprise me. I hope he enjoys the harm this story does to his recruiting efforts.

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That's pretty strange. Perhaps I'm getting myself mixed up, but I thought the rule was that you had an automatic exemption if the school you're leaving doesn't offer that program in grad school, and a release would be needed if they did.

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Martelli sounds like a real jerk, but seeing how egotistical some mid-major college coaches can be, that doesn't really surprise me. I hope he enjoys the harm this story does to his recruiting efforts.
That was my first reaction after finishing. I hope it blows up in his face in a way far worse than he could imagine.

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That's pretty strange. Perhaps I'm getting myself mixed up, but I thought the rule was that you had an automatic exemption if the school you're leaving doesn't offer that program in grad school, and a release would be needed if they did.
But the school claimed he was not leaving for academic reasons and was only leaving to upset the coach

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That's pretty strange. Perhaps I'm getting myself mixed up, but I thought the rule was that you had an automatic exemption if the school you're leaving doesn't offer that program in grad school, and a release would be needed if they did.
I guess they never thought a coach could hold such a grudge to do this? I would wish the rules would have been written to never allow one person with no real good reason to hold up a great exaample of a student-athlete from BEING a student-athlete.

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It's weird, because Martelli is normally known for being a pretty solid dude.

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Get the feeling our protagonist is leaving something out of the story.

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Yeah, this exemption is typically used by players like Russell Wilson as a way to become a sort of free agent and it very rarely has anything at all to do with academics. Not that I'm against it, giving these kids the chance to be in control for themselves isn't a bad thing, I'm just saying I find the idea that this guy, who's already transferred once, has always dreamed of going to grad school at UAB a little fishy.

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Yeah, this exemption is typically used by players like Russell Wilson as a way to become a sort of free agent and it very rarely has anything at all to do with academics. Not that I'm against it, giving these kids the chance to be in control for themselves isn't a bad thing, I'm just saying I find the idea that this guy, who's already transferred once, has always dreamed of going to grad school at UAB a little fishy.
If your the NCAA and try publicly to display you promote the idea of a student-athlete, why would you give one coach so much power? Like, what % of these student-athletes actually end up graduating let alone going to graduate school?

As a coach, I just don't see what you get out of this beside ego? They play in a different conference and recruits will hear this story and think your a dick. What raal good reason is there to acting like this?

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I'm just saying I find the idea that this guy, who's already transferred once, has always dreamed of going to grad school at UAB a little fishy.
The "Education:Human Studies" Department has to be in the top 100 in the country,no?

http://main.uab.edu/Sites/gradschool/programs/72141/

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UAB has some good grad programs, I guess Tuscaloosa is too small for some of them. Is it Harvard, Yale, Stanford or Michigan? No, but it is very solid in terms of graduate programs.

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I wasn't dissing UAB at all, more suggesting that I'm a bit suspicious of a basketball player who's already transferred once claiming academics are the only reason for this move... if so, quit basketball

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I wasn't dissing UAB at all, more suggesting that I'm a bit suspicious of a basketball player who's already transferred once claiming academics are the only reason for this move... if so, quit basketball
Just so we know, your ok with this process allowing someone to be held up by the whim of any football/basketball/tennis/hockey/etc. coach and his/her grudge?

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It's weird, because Martelli is normally known for being a pretty solid dude.
No one from St. Joes can ever be solid.

Still mad at them running over GT.

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If your the NCAA and try publicly to display you promote the idea of a student-athlete, why would you give one coach so much power? Like, what % of these student-athletes actually end up graduating let alone going to graduate school?

As a coach, I just don't see what you get out of this beside ego? They play in a different conference and recruits will hear this story and think your a dick. What raal good reason is there to acting like this?
#1 - The reason a school has to sign off on a transfer is to prevent coaches from trying to steal each other's players. If you look at most transfers, virtually NO ONE transfers within the same conference, and most go out-of-region. Usually, you release a kid to transfer to somewhere outside of your conference, outside your region, and not to anyone you have games scheduled against.

#2 - The percentage of student-athletes who graduate is higher than the average of general students. By a lot.
The Division I grad rate is 84% (transfers and people who got their degree years later count as "didn't graduate")
The national average of kids who enroll and then get a degree (from anywhere in any time frame) is about 58%.

When people talk about the kids who go to college for a year and jump to the pros, they're talking about like 20 of the 4800 Division I basketball players.

#3 - Someone did a "this doesn't add up" story. Basically, there was an incident where another player on the team did something stupid like steal a laptop or something. O'Brien wasn't "involved", but he knew about it and it was his report that led to the kid getting kicked off the team. So Martelli's pissed he's lost both players and O'Brien didn't realize about the rule until it was too late for Martelli to recruit someone to replace him.

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The "Education:Human Studies" Department has to be in the top 100 in the country,no?

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UAB has some good grad programs, I guess Tuscaloosa is too small for some of them. Is it Harvard, Yale, Stanford or Michigan? No, but it is very solid in terms of graduate programs.
UAB has a grad program in his field (The field he had an internship last year for). St Joe's doesn't. St. Joe's wants him to play basketball and take grad classes for something he isn't going to use. He transferred to take grad classes for what he wants to do after basketball.

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I wasn't dissing UAB at all, more suggesting that I'm a bit suspicious of a basketball player who's already transferred once claiming academics are the only reason for this move... if so, quit basketball
He is taking classes in his field at UAB right now. He just wants to use the year of eligibility he has left.

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No one from St. Joes can ever be solid.

Still mad at them running over GT.
They had two NBA players on that team! They were really good that year. What do you think of Brian Gregory?

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Transfers at the undergraduate level are relatively rare for strictly academic reasons. Moving from your undergraduate school to a different school for grad studies is not only far more common but is also very much recommended.


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Transers at the undergraduate level are relatively rare for strictly academic reasons. Moving from your undergraduate school to a different school for grad studies is not only far more common but is also very much recommended.
Not only that, but as Coach K said "The divorce rate in this country is over 50% for all ages, but we expect 17-year old high school juniors to pick the best college for them with 100% accuracy?"

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I'm a major advocate for kids being able to transfer wherever they want penalty free, don't get me wrong

I'm also a major advocate for getting both sides of every story before rushing to judge people.

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I'm a major advocate for kids being able to transfer wherever they want penalty free, don't get me wrong

I'm also a major advocate for getting both sides of every story before rushing to judge people.

Is there another side of the story yet from the St. Joe's basketball program?

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Yeah, this exemption is typically used by players like Russell Wilson as a way to become a sort of free agent and it very rarely has anything at all to do with academics. Not that I'm against it, giving these kids the chance to be in control for themselves isn't a bad thing, I'm just saying I find the idea that this guy, who's already transferred once, has always dreamed of going to grad school at UAB a little fishy.
I have a problem with what Russell Wilson did because he already played pro in another sport and was much older than most of his fellow competitors this season.

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