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12-20-2011, 01:37 AM
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We should ask Buchberger the powerplay guru about that one.
You sure Bucky even runs the pp anymore?

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12-20-2011, 01:37 AM
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I thought you meant Detroit. Even still, the Oilers' shot selection when they actually decide to shoot is ridiculously awful. Whitney... my God, you're awful right now.
Can't help but agree. Not sure what's wrong with Whitney but it's painful to watch. That "pass" he made that led to Detroit's second goal was a thing of beauty.

Makes me miss Vish. Not that he's doing much better this year...

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12-20-2011, 01:43 AM
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You sure Bucky even runs the pp anymore?
Sure looks like he's drawing up the plays whenever Renney actually bothers to take a timeout.

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12-20-2011, 01:45 AM
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What is everyone whining about? Oilers lost to a very good team in Detroit and they made it very competitive.
Clearly you haven't spent enough time on this board. Apparently we have to ***** and moan about losing to good teams by one goal even if losing by one goal means we stayed with a very good team.

For some reason its all negative here this year.

Like the title of the thread its logic turned on its ear. A good team found a way to win. Detroit was never behind in this game and were always dangerous. They can dictate the game to us and have the skilled vets and depth to do it. Whenever the game was tied the Wings found another gear.

Wings played a decent road game and didn't get enticed to trade chances. We lose a closer checking game to a good team on most nights.

Its how we perform against teams we should be able to handle that is more the concern.

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12-20-2011, 01:48 AM
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Can't help but agree. Not sure what's wrong with Whitney but it's painful to watch. That "pass" he made that led to Detroit's second goal was a thing of beauty.

Makes me miss Vish. Not that he's doing much better this year...
You could point out at least half a dozen similar plays but yeah, that disgustingly anticlimactic Miller goal all started on Whitney's stick.

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12-20-2011, 01:48 AM
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Suddenly it is lottery pick time. The thing is to there is no way Bulin keeps his play up, he will get hurt and just isn't that good. He has given a Vezna type year so far and we are a point out of the lottery.

Kids look great, unfortunately every thing else looks like it needs to be replaced.

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12-20-2011, 01:49 AM
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Clearly you haven't spent enough time on this board. Apparently we have to ***** and moan about losing to good teams by one goal even if losing by one goal means we stayed with a very good team.

For some reason its all negative here this year.

Like the title of the thread its logic turned on its ear. A good team found a way to win. Detroit was never behind in this game and were always dangerous. They can dictate the game to us and have the skilled vets and depth to do it. Whenever the game was tied the Wings found another gear.

Wings played a decent road game and didn't get enticed to trade chances. We lose a closer checking game to a good team on most nights.

Its how we perform against teams we should be able to handle that is more the concern.
Can the real Replacement please come back - you know, the one that berates the Oilers and management for every move they make.

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12-20-2011, 01:50 AM
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You could point out at least half a dozen similar plays but yeah, that disgustingly anticlimactic Miller goal all started on Whitney's stick.
Indeed, I just pointed out the most obvious one.

On another note, Hemsky seemed... energized tonight. Not sure what happened to him.

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12-20-2011, 01:54 AM
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Suddenly it is lottery pick time. The thing is to there is no way Bulin keeps his play up, he will get hurt and just isn't that good. He has given a Vezna type year so far and we are a point out of the lottery.

Kids look great, unfortunately every thing else looks like it needs to be replaced.
Whatcho talkin bout? This defence is great and we've got all the pieces we need to make a playoff run.

In all seriousness, I refer to my post on the last page regarding the similarities between Edmonton and Anaheim. In the recent past Anaheim managed to buck all kinds of trends running with one line, weak defence as sparse as hell secondary scoring but this year it's caught up with them. The Oilers have built a similar roster.

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12-20-2011, 01:56 AM
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Indeed, I just pointed out the most obvious one.

On another note, Hemsky seemed... energized tonight. Not sure what happened to him.
If you mean ineffective, yes he definitely was.

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Indeed, I just pointed out the most obvious one.

On another note, Hemsky seemed... energized tonight. Not sure what happened to him.
Yeah, I thought that he was going to score one or set one up for sure. Hm.

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that was a **** game, the third period was pathetic. i hate watching these type of games live, it sucked.

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12-20-2011, 01:58 AM
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If you mean ineffective, yes he definitely was.
Yeah, but he was ineffective in a 2007 Ales Hemsky kind of way.

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12-20-2011, 01:58 AM
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Anyways not looking forward to the Wild game, another lesson to be learned again I guess. Have a good night all.
Well heres the deal with this. Veteran clubs loaded with solid 2 way players WILL dictate in the 3rd period in any game that they are playing reasonably well in.

If a club like the Red Wings on a good night are tied in the 3rd you can certainly look for a closing kick. Good teams find a way to win. The Wings found those ingredients along time ago.

They found that through org stability from top to bottom.

A team relying on kids is going to take their lumps in games like this. Pretty much a given.

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If you mean ineffective, yes he definitely was.
I think you're the only one who thinks that tonight.

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Yeah, I thought that he was going to score one or set one up for sure. Hm.
Me too. It was a very stark contrast from the last couple games.

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12-20-2011, 01:59 AM
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So at what point do we have the right to ***** about the team?

Let's look at the schedule:

When they lose to the Wild next week?

When they lose to Vancouver after that?

When they lose to the Wild again after that?

These are top teams after all. Aren't we supposed to lose to them?

When they lose to the Islanders after that? If they put in a real good effort, are we not supposed to look at the positives and not complain?

When do the excuses end?

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12-20-2011, 02:00 AM
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Can the real Replacement please come back - you know, the one that berates the Oilers and management for every move they make.
heh

Its just that with some prime ingredients like RNH, Hall, Eberle in the lineup its easier to have a balanced opinion and to be able to see some silver threads..

Although not around here apparently.

I was negative on this board when there was virtually nothing to be hopeful about. Those days are gone.

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12-20-2011, 02:04 AM
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So at what point do we have the right to ***** about the team?

Let's look at the schedule:

When they lose to the Wild next week?

When they lose to Vancouver after that?

When they lose to the Wild again after that?

These are top teams after all. Aren't we supposed to lose to them?

When they lose to the Islanders after that? If they put in a real good effort, are we not supposed to look at the positives and not complain?

When do the excuses end?
When the young go to guys on this club can actually grow a moustache.

We have a lot of vets on this club that spent too long in the loser blender. Its takes awhile to change that ****. A team like this is going to have streaks of confidence/non confidence.

Take the good, take the bad, the teams getting better.

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12-20-2011, 02:05 AM
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Am I the only one that thinks Tambellini has better pieces to work with than Glen Sather did in the mid-90's when he had Weight, Arnott and a shoestring budget? It didn't take very long for him to concoct a relatively competitive club on said shoestring budget. I wonder what Tambi's timetable for respectability is.

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12-20-2011, 02:12 AM
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I don't know why but I didn't mind this game at all. Onto the next.

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12-20-2011, 02:17 AM
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I don't know why but I didn't mind this game at all. Onto the next.
Despite the tone of my posts I'm in "don't give a ****" mode again.

Props to Eberle, Nuge, Hall, Jonesy and to a lesser extent Smytty on their seasons so far but I'm having a hard time getting positively engaged in the games once again. It's actually happened earlier than last year. Last year I didn't reach this point until mid-January.

You can set your watch to these games right now. With ten minutes to go I texted my friend and said, "the wings will take the lead with about 5 min left."

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Sure looks like he's drawing up the plays whenever Renney actually bothers to take a timeout.
"Ok: Hallsy, I want you to gain the zone with your world class skating and speed and then fall over. You should be able to see everything clearly at ice level and, from there, the correct play will come naturally.

Hemsky, be sure to sit tight on the bench, if you do somehow end up out there by accident be sure to rely on your physical game and/or pass the puck towards a player who seems confused as to what it is you are doing.

Belanger, you take the draw and then do everything in your power to rifle the puck away from their net but towards several Detroit players. In fact, this should be a team strategy.

Nugent-Hopkins, you should probably just turn it down a notch or two and try and learn something from the opposition who will be schooling us shortly.

Eberle......well, Ebs, this is your last ****ing warning. God damned hot shot!

Whitney, if there is any sign of trouble please make a quick turnover while the rest of the players are wildly out of position, which should be most of the time. If we can get Detroit pressuring us in our own zone on this power play it should open up a lot of space in front of their net.

Everyone got it?

Ok! Let's do this"


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12-20-2011, 02:21 AM
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I think the players should just coach themselves. Have a player-coach, like Paul Newman. Smytty can do it.

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Hemsky had a couple of good shifts tonight, still, he made very little impact to the game.

Whitney was the cause for Detroit second goal when he inexplicably gave the puck away in the offensive zone where he's got no pressure on him at all. He's also weak defensively for most of the night.

Let's say the reason both Hemsky & Whitney have been playing badly was being not fully fit after their injuries, then why did we bring them back & throw them straight into the toughest competitions which affect the performance of the whole team?

Why didn't we send them to the AHL Barons for a 14 days conditioning stint when they came off the injured reserve list? Instead, they had to play against NHL's speed & physicality right after coming off long term injury. It's proven that it didn't do the players nor the team any good.

Especially Whitney, the guy missed training camp and didn't even play in the pre-season!


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You sure Bucky even runs the pp anymore?
I was about 10 feet away and he appears to be doing a whole lot of nothing other than talking into the mic on his wrist and checking this piece of paper he's carrying. Doesn't say a lot. Found that odd.

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