I know of a goalie who had put up a 1.81GAA and a .908SVP going into the SCF, and then he proceeded to give up 19 goals on 143 shots in the SCF for a GAA and SVP of 2.74 and 0.870 respectively. He blew a 3-2 series lead giving up 9 goals on 40 shots in the final 2 games to lose the Stanley Cup. One would call said goalie a choker because he couldn't seal the deal, right?
The goalie in my example is Martin Brodeur.
Well, winning 2 Stanley Cups by that point will get you a lot of leeway. If the Canucks win and Luongo puts up a .927 SVP like Brodeur did in 1995 and 2000, that will certainly shut most people up.
Well, winning 2 Stanley Cups by that point will get you a lot of leeway. If the Canucks win and Luongo puts up a .927 SVP like Brodeur did in 1995 and 2000, that will certainly shut most people up.
And the Devils payed a defence first suffocating trap to do so.
Well, winning 2 Stanley Cups by that point will get you a lot of leeway. If the Canucks win and Luongo puts up a .927 SVP like Brodeur did in 1995 and 2000, that will certainly shut most people up.
So because Brodeur has had more opportunities on a better team than Luongo, the same collapse is overlooked for him, but Luongo is deemed a choker?
My point is, even the best goalies have times when they struggle.
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I told ya so. I was right all along!
We are by far the hardest team on goalies, those that think if we run lou out of town and give cory schnieder a few years until we run him out of town will make things better.
If anything will be our failure this year it will be defence...which all of you "experts" will blame loungo.
We are by far the hardest team on goalies, those that think if we run lou out of town and give cory schnieder a few years until we run him out of town will make things better.
If anything will be our failure this year it will be defence...which all of you "experts" will blame loungo.
We'll run Luongo out of town, he'll win a Cup in Tampa, then we'll run Schneider out of town because he'll struggle behind our defense and doesn't had a Cup like Luongo and people will whine we should have kept Luongo. Then we'll have Lack and the cycle will continue.
If Luongo does leave Vancouver this yea (it is going to be him ****ing it up int he playoffs) I am willing to bet he isn't going win a cup anywhere he goes and will continue to have meltdowns wherever he is.
If Luongo does leave Vancouver this yea (it is going to be him ****ing it up int he playoffs) I am willing to bet he isn't going win a cup anywhere he goes and will continue to have meltdowns wherever he is.
What if luongo has a gga of 2.3 or something in a series and we score just 8 goals and lose in 6 games, do we still run him out of town?
06/07 playoffs against Anaheim. Go see how many people wanted to run him out of town.
That year was the most confident I've ever been with having a goaltender in net. Currently Luongo doesn't give you that confidence, and I'd say Schneider is a more stable option.
Luongo is still the better goaltender, but he is a mixed bag to me. If things are going well, he'll be fine. When things go south, they go south in a hurry and he gives his team literally no chance to win. Contrast this to his first year, when his team gave up chance after chance and was heavily outmatched, he still gave his team a chance to somehow win those games. He still does that from time to time, but theres always a chance he implodes as well.
06/07 playoffs against Anaheim. Go see how many people wanted to run him out of town.
I don't think anyone wanted to run him out of town after the loss to ANA. I think it was more a case that after a few meltdowns people looked back and pointed to the series clinching goal that series as a first example of Luongo losing his focus at inopportune times. As I recall it, there were some groans over the goal, especially after he had played so well, but it wasn't for a couple more seasons that people really started to get off the Lu bandwagon.
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That year was the most confident I've ever been with having a goaltender in net. Currently Luongo doesn't give you that confidence, and I'd say Schneider is a more stable option.
Luongo is still the better goaltender, but he is a mixed bag to me. If things are going well, he'll be fine. When things go south, they go south in a hurry and he gives his team literally no chance to win. Contrast this to his first year, when his team gave up chance after chance and was heavily outmatched, he still gave his team a chance to somehow win those games. He still does that from time to time, but theres always a chance he implodes as well.
I dunno, debatable at best imo. Luongo is the more proven goalie insofar as he's been a #1 guy in the NHL for many seasons. But as far as technical ability, mental makeup and making big saves at big times, it's pretty tough to say either is clearly better at this point. Personally, not slagging Luongo here, but I'll be a bit surprised if history doesn't look back at CS as the superior goalie when both have wrapped up their careers.
Luongo is still the better goaltender, but he is a mixed bag to me. If things are going well, he'll be fine. When things go south, they go south in a hurry and he gives his team literally no chance to win. Contrast this to his first year, when his team gave up chance after chance and was heavily outmatched, he still gave his team a chance to somehow win those games. He still does that from time to time, but theres always a chance he implodes as well.
Game 6 vs Boston
Game 4 vs Boston
Game 5 vs Chicago
So, 3. The common theme of all three? The team played just as bad.
In which case I find it hard to blame Luongo outright.
Game 6 vs the Bruins you could definitely pin on Luongo. Game 4? Meh...Game 5 vs. Chicago the entire team was horrendous. 2 of the goals were on the PP, and on one of the other goals Luongo was being screened by his own teammate.
Game 6 vs Boston
Game 4 vs Boston
Game 5 vs Chicago
So, 3. The common theme of all three? The team played just as bad.
I thought the team came out strong in Game 6 (they could have potted a couple if the puck didn't bounce over Burrows' and Henrik's stick, respectively). Mind you, that was the first 4-5 minutes before Luongo let in a heap of horrendous goals within the span of 4 minutes.
I don't know specifically how many meltdowns Luongo had last postseason, but I do know that he was replaced as the starter in series 1, gave us no chance to win any road games in series 4 (the rest of the team playing bad doesn't mean Lu didn't also), and was the best goalie in only 1 series (played well vs Nashville but I wouldn't say either goalie outplayed the other).
*shrugs* that's all last year. We'll see what happens this year. I'd suggest though that Schneider still being a Canuck speaks volumes on whether Gillis is 100% sold on Luongo. Very few teams can make up a goalie having 2-3 poor starts in a seven game series.
*shrugs* that's all last year. We'll see what happens this year. I'd suggest though that Schneider still being a Canuck speaks volumes on whether Gillis is 100% sold on Luongo. Very few teams can make up a goalie having 2-3 poor starts in a seven game series.
The past two cup winners both did that, so perhaps our team as a whole just wasn't good enough?
The past two cup winners both did that, so perhaps our team as a whole just wasn't good enough?
That is so illogical. The series in which it happened both teams had goaltenders that ****ed up 2-3 games. And obviously one team has to win. Nice tautology...
