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04-03-2012, 09:29 AM
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Collberg seems like the opposite of what we have seen from Chevy's drafting history.
My jaw will quite literally fall off of my face if we draft him. As you stated definitely not Chevy's "type"

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04-03-2012, 11:34 AM
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Galchenyuk is my favourite in this draft and the more I read about him the more I think he could become the top of this class, or at least on the same level as Yakupov. If we were to have 7/8/9th pick and he is still there at pick 5, would the Postman and our 1st be enough to jump up and grab him? Postma will probably unfortunately become redundant on our team with Buff and Enstrom and now Bogo showing some offensive upside...
That would not be nearly enough to move up for him imo. No issues moving up for the right player , nor for paying for that though.

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04-03-2012, 01:45 PM
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Future Considerations new rankings.

Galchenyuk ahead of Grigorenko, Teravainen at 10 and Faksa at 13 are some interesting notes.

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Anyone have a feel that this organization may be predisposed to drafting North Americans , specifically Canadians?

I don't think they will/would have a mandate against other nationalities , but I can see they would place a higher value on NA's .

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Future Considerations new rankings.

Galchenyuk ahead of Grigorenko, Teravainen at 10 and Faksa at 13 are some interesting notes.
There's been a lot of talk about Grigorenko's lack of compete level. He's extremely talented, but inconsistent.

Teravainen is really climbing up lists, he seems to be the flavor of the month.

Faksa has also been climbing. I'd take him before Teravainen.

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Anyone have a feel that this organization may be predisposed to drafting North Americans , specifically Canadians?

I don't think they will/would have a mandate against other nationalities , but I can see they would place a higher value on NA's .
OHL and WHL specifically.

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FC Draft Rankings

1) Nail Yakupov
2) Ryan Murray
3) Alex Galchenyuk
4) Mikhail Grigorenko
5) Filip Forsberg
6) Morgan Rielly
7) Mathew Dumba
8) Jacob Trouba
9) Cody Ceci
10) Teuvo Teravainen
11) Griffin Reinhart
12) Derrick Pouliot
13) Radek Faksa
14) Sebastian Collberg
15) Ludvig Bystrom
16) Zemgus Girgensons
17) Pontus Aberg
18) Matt Finn
19) Brendan Gaunce
20) Slater Koekkoek
21) Andrey Vasilevski
22) Olli Maata
23) Dalton Thrower
24) Tomas Hertl
25) Hampus Lindholm
26) Tom Wilson
27) Oskar Dansk
28) Stefan Matteau
29) Phil Di Giuseppe
30) Brady Skjei
Ceci, Reinhart and Faksa would all be good picks.

I'm personally not sold on Teravainen yet nor any of the Swedes not named Forsberg.

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OHL and WHL specifically.

I think so too , we'll know more after this draft as 2 years will present some patterns imo.

If this is accurate we can pare down the list for 9/10 imo.

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I think so too , we'll know more after this draft as 2 years will present some patterns imo.

If this is accurate we can pare down the list for 9/10 imo.
I think there is a predisposition. That being said, I think the BIGGEST predisposition involving chevy would appear to be size. I think we'll see big north americans drafted first, big swede/europeans that play north/south second, smallish north americans third, and very, VERY, rarely will we see oursleves selecting small European players (provided they're not a ridiculouse standout compared to whats available).

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04-03-2012, 02:20 PM
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OHL and WHL specifically.
Atlanta never tended to draft out of the QMJHL either. I've always liked the WHL more so then the OHL or Q but I like the talent you can find in the OHL.

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I think there is a predisposition. That being said, I think the BIGGEST predisposition involving chevy would appear to be size. I think we'll see big north americans drafted first, big swede/europeans that play north/south second, smallish north americans third, and very, VERY, rarely will we see oursleves selecting small European players (provided they're not a ridiculouse standout compared to whats available).
Hmmm ,we have a very small European player that may be valued more by another organization don't we?

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04-03-2012, 02:25 PM
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Ceci, Reinhart and Faksa would all be good picks.

I'm personally not sold on Teravainen yet nor any of the Swedes not named Forsberg.
Well, that's fine and dandy, but Teuvo is Finnish.

Jets need to have their Finnish superstar.

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04-03-2012, 02:29 PM
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Well, that's fine and dandy, but Teuvo is Finnish.

Jets need to have their Finnish superstar.


Hannu Jarvenpaa?

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Well, that's fine and dandy, but Teuvo is Finnish.

Jets need to have their Finnish superstar.
We have Miettinen!




I should temper that with: if his play continues to progress, he could be a great 3rd line player next year. He's showing flashes of his 15-20g previous self.

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If the Jets really do plan to build like Nashville (that is to say, build from the backend) I can see them valuing WHL players more than other leagues.

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OHL and WHL specifically.
Plus American scouting. We have a decent amount of U.S. scouting, specifically Tavis Macmillan and Keith Sullivan. While not having a dedicated QMJHL scout like others have mentioned.

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04-03-2012, 02:32 PM
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Atlanta never tended to draft out of the QMJHL either. I've always liked the WHL more so then the OHL or Q but I like the talent you can find in the OHL.
The overall physicality of the WHL helps prepare prospects for the rigors of the NHL game quicker IMO. I'm not saying the OHL doesn't, but that's my take on it personally.

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The overall physicality of the WHL helps prepare prospects for the rigors of the NHL game quicker IMO. I'm not saying the OHL doesn't, but that's my take on it personally.
I'd agree that the physicality of the WHL is close to the NHL level, but I think the north-south style of the OHL is closer to the NHL.

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I'd agree that the physicality of the WHL is close to the NHL level, but I think the north-south style of the OHL is closer to the NHL.
I guess it really depends on the style of system a team employs. Noel wants to have a North-South style. Other teams like Detroit like to play a possession game.

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04-03-2012, 02:51 PM
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The overall physicality of the WHL helps prepare prospects for the rigors of the NHL game quicker IMO. I'm not saying the OHL doesn't, but that's my take on it personally.
I think that's pretty much the consensus. I also find that some prospects coming from the college ranks tend to be more prepared for the pro level as well, provided you're picking the right guys of course.

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04-04-2012, 08:53 AM
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It looks like we are guaranteed a pick somewhere between 8-11.

When does the McKenzie list come out?

There are defiantly more than a few guys that I would be happy with in that range.

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It looks like we are guaranteed a pick somewhere between 8-11.

When does the McKenzie list come out?

There are defiantly more than a few guys that I would be happy with in that range.
Yep, I am quite happy to be drafting where we are. If your scouts are good and doing their job, there is absolutely no reason you cannot get a solid NHL'er in the 8-11 range, and this draft up to our point looks pretty solid, I think.

Let's take a look back at the 8-13 range in prior drafts.

2011 - 8. Sean Couturier 9. Dougie Hamilton 10. Jonas Brodin 11. Duncan Siemens 12. Ryan Murphy 13. Sven Bartschi

2010 - 8. Alexander Burmistrov 9. Mikael Granlund 10. Dylan McIlrath 11. Jack Campbell 12. Cam Fowler 13. Brandon Gormley

2009 - 8. Scott Glennie 9. Jared Cowan 10. Paajarvi-Svensson 11. Ryan Ellis 12. Calvin DeHaan 13. Zack Kassian

2008 - 8. Mikkel Boedker 9. Josh Bailey 10. Cody Hodgson 11. Kyle Beach 12. Tyler Myers 13. Colten Teubert

2007 - 8. Zach Hamill 9. Logan Couture 10. Keaton Ellerby 11. Brandon Sutter 12. Ryan McDonagh 13. Lars Eller


All in all, we should get ourselves a nice player. After Yakupov this draft may not have many elite studs, but it sure does appear to have a decent amount of quality depth and we're right in line to land a nice piece.

Yakupov, Grigorenko, Galchenyuk, Forsberg, Faksa, Gaunce, Dumba, Murray, Rielly, Reinhart, Finn, Ceci, Koekkoek, Trouba, etc. Those guys appear to all be fairly highly rated and that accounts for 14 players.

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04-04-2012, 01:23 PM
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Looking at FC's new rankings, and expecting us to draft from 8-11, and considering players 2 picks on either end of the spectrum:

6) Morgan Rielly
7) Mathew Dumba
8) Jacob Trouba
9) Cody Ceci
10) Teuvo Teravainen
11) Griffin Reinhart
12) Derrick Pouliot
13) Radek Faksa


That is a pretty good list. I think Pouliot is a little bit of an outsider there, although he did look good in the 1 game I saw him play (the top prospects game).

I would love Reilly, Dumba, or Trouba. Ceci and Teravainen seem like late risers, so I would want to see what TNSE saw in them compared to Reinhart and Faksa respectivly. I would be totally happy with one of Reinhart or Faska as well. Pouliot would make me wonder if we should just trade down to be honest.

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04-04-2012, 03:25 PM
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Definitely looks like a strong possibility we take a defenseman with our first pick.

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When I look at the list Guerzy produced, this stands out...
2007...Couture & Sutter would be nice to have, but McDonaugh is proving to be no slouch.
2008....I'll take Myers please.
2009....Cowan is quickly turning into a big shutdown D-man, with some decent hands.
2010...Fowler is a top 4 d-man & PP specialist.
2011...Hamilton will be on the Bruins D very soon.

That said, give me Ceci, Reinhart or Trouba please. It's what the Jets need!

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