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12-29-2011, 01:43 PM
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Antoine Vermette C/W
There's the player I mentioned who was part of a terrific duo with Chris Kelly.

Vermette often left Ottawa fans wanting because he didn't score enough when he was played on the second line and power play. What they were missing was that he was a dynamite third-liner when he wasn't relied upon to score, especially when playing with Kelly. He was the Senators' go-to player for faceoff wins in their 2007 Finals run.

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12-29-2011, 01:53 PM
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The Minutemen select Valtteri Filppula, the versatile core forward for a Detroit club that made back-to-back Stanley Cup Finals. The Finn has been top-6 in ice time and points among all Red Wings forwards for four-and-a-half straight seasons beginning in their 2008 cup-winning regular season. He contributed secondary scoring in the championship drive with 5 goals and 13 points. Filppula scored the 2-0 goal for Detroit in the decisive game 6 of the final series versus Pittsburgh, Detroit won the game 3-2. The following postseason he tied the team lead in playoff assists with 13 in their 2009 Game 7 Stanley Cup Finals run. He passes more than shoots, shows defensive skill more in his positional play than physicality, has clear, consistent strengths. Internationally, the world juniors all-star and captain was an AHL all-star before his 5+ year NHL career. He also scored the empty-net insurance goal in the Bronze-medal winning game of the 2010 Olympics, which is significant in showing that his nation's coach trusted him to be out on the ice when trailing by a goal late in a crucial contest, a testament to his defensive skill. He makes for a quality Bottom-6 all-time forward at either left wing or center, providing hard work, responsible decision making and secondary scoring.



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Owns both outstanding playmaking skills and great speed. Is creative, plays a mature game and possesses two-way acumen. Always works hard, is very dedicated and responsible in his own end. Can play all three forward positions.
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... when Henrik Zetterberg was idled in the first round of the playoffs, Filppula flipped the switch. He played with more intensity and was rewarded for it. His five points in the four-game sweep of Phoenix ranked second on the team to Datsyuk’s six.

The skilled center has shown the ability to step up in the playoffs. Heading into the Western Conference semifinals against San Jose, Filppula had 41 points in 61 postseason games since 2008. That’s an average of .67 points per game, better than his career regular season average of .47 points per game.

Red Wings coach Mike Babcock criticized Filppula a couple of times during the season for not going hard to the net and playing more on the inside. But he liked how Filppula played in the opening round.

"I thought Fil was real strong in the last series. (Now) there will be a different matchup, and they’ll probably change over the series. You got to win your matchup."

Filppula, 27, has always been reluctant to shoot and doesn’t have the finishing touch players like Couture and Pavelski do. But he can be difficult to play against because of his speed and defensive ability.

"If you have a guy playing center on your third line who can skate with the puck and make plays and play good defensively and get points, chip in on the power play, that’s important," Red Wings defenseman Brad Stuart said. "It means you have good depth, and this time of year that’s very important.

"Like we all have to do, (Filppula) is raising his intensity level a bit. Guys that can do that seem to stand out in the playoffs."

Teammates saw a more emotionally engaged Filppula in the first round.

"He’s always been a real good player, but I think the first round really showed another intensity level in his game," Niklas Kronwall said. "He was all over the ice making plays -- offensively, defensively, strong on the puck, making good decisions.

"It’s easy to get overshadowed on this team when you have guys like Pav and Hank. Fil is probably one of the more underrated players in the league."

Red Wings captain Nicklas Lidstrom said Filppula’s ability to skate and protect the puck, coupled with his commitment to back-checking, are tailor-made for Detroit’s style of hockey.

"He’s very strong on his feet, very strong skater," Lidstrom said. "If you give him time, he’s going to make plays on you."
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12-29-2011, 01:54 PM
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Montreal select:

J.J. Daigneault D

Jordan Leopold D

Greg De Vries D

Antoine Vermette C/W

and a personal favorite with Michel Therrien Coach
Therrien?

THERRIEN!!????

Your team better not be soff and you better find a way to stop Kovalchoo.


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Therrien?

THERRIEN!!????

Your team better not be soff and you better find a way to stop Kovalchoo.

Therrien is awesome and is a pimp*.Everybody seems to hate him unfairly so I need to balance things out and give my props to my man Michel Therrien.

*Used to date one damn sexy meteo woman on quebec television.

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12-29-2011, 02:36 PM
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How is his playoff resume compared to other enforcers? Becuase that is the intresting part. Enforcers usually get easy shifts in blowouts and can pad their stats but their production usually drops in the playoffs.
I added playoff columns for you. Howatt is 7th out of these 11 players in playoff games, 2nd in points and 2nd in points per game.

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12-29-2011, 03:08 PM
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I added playoff columns for you. Howatt is 7th out of these 11 players in playoff games, 2nd in points and 2nd in points per game.
So good find indeed.

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Lew Morrison, RW



- 6'0", 185 lbs
- 53% PK usage in his career, teams were 5% below average
- Philadelphia Unsung Hero: 1971-72
- Atlanta Unsung Hero: 1972-73

Morrison had the misfortune of playing on some truly awful teams. But he was appreciated for what he did. Check this out: During the course of Morrison's career, his teams were 13% worse than average at even strength, 27% worse than average on the PP... but only 5% worse than average on the penalty kill... and the reason for that was they had Lew Morrison killing all their penalties.

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An excellent penalty killer
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Recognized as one of league's top penalty killers.
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That 1969-70 season was one of Morrison's best seasons, at least statistically. He scored 9 goals and 19 points, both career highs. He gained instant recognition for his defensive abilities, and was reunited with Bobby Clarke to kill penalties that first in Philly.

"I'll tell you how good he (Morrison) and Clarke are," said coach Stasiuk. "They kill penalties for us. Imagine - a pair of rookies going out against the best power plays in the busines and doing not just an adequate job but a doggone good job."

However Morrison would never be able to shake the label as a defensive forward, and would toil for 564 games in the NHL in that limited capacity. After three years in Philadelphia he was claimed by the Atlanta Flames in their expansion draft. Two years later the Washington Capitals did the same, only to trade him back to Pennsylvania after 18 games. The Pittsburgh Penguins made good use of his services for 3 years before he was demoted to the minors for the 1977-78 season. That proved to be Morrison's final year of professional hockey.

Morrison was a dogged worker, a truly unappreciated hockeyist who was respected by his peers.
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a defensive specialist who is a tenacious checker... often used on the penalty kill...plays RW and is a sound positional player... doesn't drift away from his side of the ice...
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making his third stop with an expansion team... primarily a penalty killer with the Flames, and one of the NHL's best... won Flames' first unsung hero award... good skater who could develop into respectable scorer...

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12-29-2011, 03:56 PM
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D Randy Moller

815GP
Killed 36% of team's penalties, 0.94 team PK rating
TOI ranks: 1,2,2,2,3,3,3,4,4,6
Into the Carkner, Zombo, Cirella, Wells, Watters, Baxter, Laidlaw pile he goes!

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RW Jerry Butler
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Montreal select:

J.J. Daigneault D
I'm not a fan of his overall resume, but it should be noted that when I selected Lorimer and said he was one of just three defensemen available, who were top-3 on a cup winner between the merger and the lockout, Daigneault, as the #3 on the 1993 habs, was one of the other two.

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Greg De Vries D
Played the same type of role for the same type of minutes that Staios did, except for much, much better teams and a ton more playoff games.

I don't think I'm even a huge fan of this pick but if we're comparing Staios and De Vries head to head, I don't see how Staios would come out ahead.

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12-29-2011, 04:32 PM
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Speaking of that pile, I started compiling my estimations of where those guys finished on their teams TOI-wise. Moller actually comes out pretty nicely according to my estimations. In the case where guys played two roles during a year, whether it be due to injuries or mid-season acquisitions, I just credited them with the higher finish, when they played at least 40 games in said role. I also left out any year they didn't make it to 40 games.

Randy Moller:
815GP; 78 playoff games
R-ON: 1.01
R-OFF: 1.04
36%, 0.94 TmPK+
1,2,2,2,3,3,3,4,4,6 TOI ranks

Bob Lorimer:
529G; 49 playoff games; x2 SC winner
R-ON 1.03 R-OFF 0.92
SH% 46%, TmPK+ 1.06
2,2,2,3,3,5,5,5


Gary Doak:
735GP; 78 playoff games; x1 SC (8GP)
R-ON 1.25 R-OFF 1.31
SH% 23%, TmPK+ 0.97
3,3,3,4,4,4,4,5,5,5,5,6

Tom Laidlaw:
705GP; 69 playoff games
R-ON 0.92 R-OFF 1.05
52% SH%, TmPK+ 0.97
2,2,3,3,3,4,4,4,4,5

Gerald Diduck:
932GP; 114 playoff games
R-ON: 1.09
R-OFF: 1.02
33%, 1.06TmPK+
2,2,2,3,4,5,5,6,6

Gary Nylund:
608GP; 24 playoff games
R-ON: .77
R-OFF: .87
43%, 1.13TmPK+
1,1,2,2,3,3,4,6

Tim Watters:
741GP; 82 playoff games
R-ON: 1.01
R-OFF: 0.95
40%, 1.02TmPK+
2,2,3,4,4,4,5,5,6

Rob Scuderi:
455GP; 61GP; x1 SC win
R-ON: 1.03
R-OFF: 1.04
51%, 1.00TmPK+
3,3,3,3,4,4

And re: Nylund vs. Diduck,

I think the case can be made for Diduck because even though he didn't have as impressive TOI finishes as Nylund, he was playing on better teams. Nylund only made it into 24 playoff games to Diduck's 114. Also they were teammates for two years Diduck received the higher time on ice. In '89 Diduck averaged 23.071 minutes and Nylund averaged 16.773 minutes in 49 games with the Isles. The next year was much closer, but Diduck's 22.088 minutes just beat out Nylund's 21.666 minutes.


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Francois Beauchemin, D



#3 D-man on the cup-winning Ducks (players who have done this are rarer than hen's teeth right now), and has been a huge penalty killer in his career: 55% for teams 10% worse than the league average. (that 55% is the most among available players, of course) His NHL coaches, Randy Carlyle and Ron Wilson, have put him on the ice for massive minutes. 444 games into his career, he is averaging 24:41 per game. He has done this for teams that have been, on average, slightly above average.

Among all post-lockout defensemen, Beauchemin is 13th in minutes per game. Defensemen ahead of him? Chara, Bouwmeester, Niedermayer, Pronger, Zubov, Lidstrom, Boyle, keith, Phaneuf, Pitkanen, Gonchar, Doughty. Just behind him? McCabe, Markov, Kaberle, Martin, Rafalski.

He is a full minute ahead of the next available guy (19th) and two minutes ahead of the next (31st), and these other guys both racked up their minutes for bad teams, unlike Francois.

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a stay at home defenseman who can also add a cannon of a shot to a power play. A major surprise last season, Beauchemin instantly became a fixture.
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after playing at a nearly unconscious level in 2007, Beauchemin took a step backwards. Part of the problem was adjusting to a new partner... features a great shot and physical toughness.
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made an impressive return following ACL surgery... has a booming shot and likes to use it.
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endured a grueling first year in Toronto, forced to bear a taxing workload, second most even strength minutes in the NHL... the errors piled up sky high alongside struggling sophomore Luke Schenn... smart, intense defender... can be hard to beat 1-on-1 when forcefully using his stocky, mid-sized frame to defend the crease... strong, agile skater with excellent balance, which powers an aggressive hitting game... much tougher than he looks... packs a booming point shot but isn't the most skilled puckhandler... wins puck battles exploiting his stick strength and excellent persistence... an aggressive, mistake-free defender when playing a simple game and staying within his limitations...
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was supposed to bring stability to the Leafs blueline but results were mixed... settled down as the year progressed... led the team in ice time and was his usual self blocking shots.
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now more of a defensive defenseman...

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12-29-2011, 04:43 PM
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Speaking of that pile, I started compiling my estimations of where those guys finished on their teams TOI-wise. Moller actually comes out pretty nicely according to my estimations. In the case where guys played two roles during a year, whether it be due to injuries or mid-season acquisitions, I just credited them with the higher finish, when they played at least 40 games in said role. I also left out any year they didn't make it to 40 games.

Randy Moller:
815GP; 78 playoff games
R-ON: 1.01
R-OFF: 1.04
36%, 0.94 TmPK+
1,2,2,2,3,3,3,4,4,6 TOI ranks

Bob Lorimer:
529G; 49 playoff games; x2 SC winner
R-ON 1.03 R-OFF 0.92
SH% 46%, TmPK+ 1.06
2,2,2,3,3,5,5,5


Gary Doak:
735GP; 78 playoff games; x1 SC (8GP)
R-ON 1.25 R-OFF 1.31
SH% 23%, TmPK+ 0.97
3,3,3,4,4,4,4,5,5,5,5,6

Tom Laidlaw:
705GP; 69 playoff games
R-ON 0.92 R-OFF 1.05
52% SH%, TmPK+ 0.97
2,2,3,3,3,4,4,4,4,5

Gerald Diduck:
932GP; 114 playoff games
R-ON: 1.09
R-OFF: 1.02
33%, 1.06TmPK+
2,2,2,3,4,5,5,6,6

Gary Nylund:
608GP; 24 playoff games
R-ON: .77
R-OFF: .87
43%, 1.13TmPK+
1,1,2,2,3,3,4,6

Tim Watters:
741GP; 82 playoff games
R-ON: 1.01
R-OFF: 0.95
40%, 1.02TmPK+
2,2,3,4,4,4,5,5,6

Rob Scuderi:
455GP; 61GP; x1 SC win
R-ON: 1.03
R-OFF: 1.04
51%, 1.00TmPK+
3,3,3,3,4,4
nice job. At this time last year I was looking at all these guys and more, as they were available for the A and B drafts. I was taking a deeper look at their TOI figures including when they posted higher vs. lower TOI numbers. This is how Craig Muni began to stand out for me. Other guys like Diduck, just to use an example that is fresh in my mind, had decent TOI numbers, and had good playoff game totals, so it would be easy to say "Gerald Diduck was a 19-minute defenseman for 114 playoff games" but when you look closer he only got far in the playoffs when he was a depth player, and went nowhere when he was a go-to guy. I had a spreadsheet where I had a whole bunch of these guys and calculated their estimated career playoff TOI/GP based on how they were utilize by their teams when they were on playoff teams. I weighed that against the number of games they maintained that average over, as well as their regular season numbers plus other subjective factors, in order to finally conclude that Steve Konroyd was worthy of the 100th pick in the A draft. But it wasn't easy. And I lost that spreadsheet - and don't foresee having the time to do it again.

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12-29-2011, 05:07 PM
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Played the same type of role for the same type of minutes that Staios did, except for much, much better teams and a ton more playoff games.

I don't think I'm even a huge fan of this pick but if we're comparing Staios and De Vries head to head, I don't see how Staios would come out ahead.
Well , in the ATD , MLD and AAA drafts we routinely draft forwards that are far less talented than first line players from lower draft because of the role they are playing , so why shouldn't we do the same with defensemen? De Vries is a very good 5th or 6th defenseman at this level.

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Played the same type of role for the same type of minutes that Staios did, except for much, much better teams and a ton more playoff games.

I don't think I'm even a huge fan of this pick but if we're comparing Staios and De Vries head to head, I don't see how Staios would come out ahead.
a) They are two very different players. They only "played the same role" if you are talking statistics!!

b) You don't see how Staios comes out ahead because you disregard the intangibles I wrote about in the bio, with linked quotes of testimony.

c) I have seen both DeVries and Staios a lot and it was easy to pan Greg but hard to pass up Steve! I've always liked his style of game and he has been underappreciated at times. His work ethic and leadership is admirable, his checks hard, his ebnergy contagious? DeVries? *Yawn* The best you can say is he was quietly effective. He wasn't an alternate captain for half a decade nor captain of a franchise for a season, though I don't mention this statistic-like, as anyone who has seen DeVries and Staios play a lot has to understand WHY one would and the other wouldn't be captain material.

d) DeVries is a solid third pairing guy, as is Staios. I think Staios more of 4/5 capable and DeVries more 5/6 but he is playing the #6 slot on my team so there's no need to split hairs between. I claim they are both decent picks, but Staios has a clear edge in intangibles, is more valuable as a role player. That is what I thought before the draft and nothing in this thread changes that perspective.

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D Benny Woit



1952 Stanley Cup Champion
1954 Stanley Cup Champion
1955 Stanley Cup Champion

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The one guy who appreciated Woit more than most was Red Kelly, the Red Wings superstar defenseman who often wandered into the offensive zone. He could do so secure in the fact that Woit, his defense partner, had the back end covered.

"I loved to play with Benny Woit," said Kelly. "He wasn't necessarily the fastest of the best skater in the world, but he could skate and he could hit. And when Benny would hit them, they knew they were hit. He delivered solid checks. I would be carrying the puck, and Benny would be hitting, and we'd work well together. Benny always had a great attitude, but Jack Adams liked to ride him all the time."

Adams was the Red Wings tyrannical boss, and he had many whipping boys. Woit was one of his favorite targets, but Woit would learn a unique way to deal with it.

"After a game, Jack would come into the dressing room and head straight to Benny," explained Kelly. "Pigeon-toed Adams would stand in front of Benny chewing him out for something real or imagined. After this happened a few times, Benny figured out what to do. He would rush in, grab an orange or two, and then he would toss the peels on the floor. Now Jack would come flying toward Benny, and he would slip on the peels and forget what he was saying! Benny was quite the jokester."
D Lars Lindgren



1977 World Championship Silver Medal
Played in 1980 All-Star Game

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Defenceman Lars Lindgren was a clever passer who could play abrasively in his own end. His mobility helped his team's power play and offensive flow during his six years in the league during the 1970s and '80s.

Born in Pitea, Sweden, Lindgren played with Skelleftea and MoDo Aik for five years. He also gained international experience while representing his country at the 1977 and 1978 World Championships. In July 1978 he was signed as a free agent by the Vancouver Canucks and scored 21 points as a rookie in 1978-79.

The clever backliner's mobility and crisp passes were an asset to the club's power play and five on five transitional game. He chipped in a few assists while improving his defensive zone coverage and was named to Team Sweden at the 1981 Canada Cup. During the spring of 1982, the slick defender scored six points while helping the Canucks reach the Stanley Cup final for the first time in franchise history.
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He was criticised for asking various players whom they would like to see in the team and how they wanted to play and for asking players how they would like to see the lines formed. He then went in and adjusted the lines as the tournaments went on. The criticism has been somewhat subdued after his 2006 Olympic and IIHF WC double.

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RW Mikhail Varnakov



Played in 1979 Challenge Cup, 1984 Canada Cup and Rendezvous 1987

33 points in 34 Major International Games (credit to seventies' for the stat)
346 points in 460 Soviet League Games

G Dave Dryden



Played in 1974 NHL All-Star Game
1979 WHA MVP, Best Goaltender, and 1st Team All-Star
5th in GAA 1972-73
9th in GAA 1973-74

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While Dave never came close to the fame that Ken would reach, he did enjoy 4 solid seasons in Buffalo. He even played in the 1973-74 NHL All Star Game.

By 1974 Dave jumped to the World Hockey Association. He played one years with the Chicago Cougars before joining the Edmonton Oilers in 1975. He would remain with the Oilers throughout the remainder of his career. The Oilers have always had great goaltending, and Dave was one of the earliest goaltending stars. He was especially hot in 1978-79 when he led the WHA with 41 wins in 63 appearances and a 2.89 GAA. In what proved to be the final season for the fledgling league, Dave was named as the WHA's top goalie and league MVP

The following season, 1979-80, the Oilers merged with the NHL. Dryden was protected by the Oilers but only played in 14 games before calling it quits. He finished the year as Glen Sather's assistant coach.

Dave played in 203 NHL games, with a 66-76-31 record and a career GAA of 3.19. He picked up 112 wins in 242 WHA contests as well.

LW Paul Meger




Played in 1951 and 1952 All-Star Games
9th in Goals 1952
1953 Stanley Cup Champion

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Left-winger Paul Meger played over 200 games for the Montreal Canadiens in the 1950s. He was a creative offensive player whose skating ability made him a solid two-way asset.

He scored 26 goals as a rookie pro with the AHL's Buffalo Bisons in 1949-50 then joined the Habs for two post-season contests. That summer, he was named to the AHL second also team and presented the Dudley "Red" Garrett Memorial Award as the league's top rookie. After scoring 34 goals in 46 games for Buffalo the next year, Meger was summoned by Montreal. He played solidly and helped the club reach the Stanley Cup finals. He also earned an AHL first team all-star selection for his outstanding work for Buffalo prior to his recall.

In 1951-52, he scored 24 goals while playing with Billy Reay and Bernie Geoffrion. He dropped to nine goals the next season then played five playoff games as the Canadiens won their first Stanley Cup since 1946. Meger's ice time decreased the next season and he retired after playing only 13 games in 1954-55. His career was ended by a gruesome accident when Leo Labine's skate blade caught him in the temple. Meger suffered a broken skull and tissue damage to his brain that required several operations to mend.
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Chris Kelly, C



- 6'0", 198 lbs
- Stanley Cup (2011)
- Stanley Cup Finalist (2007)
- Solid 6th-8th forward in both cases: 6th in pts/TOI with OTT in '07, 7th in Pts/8th in TOI for BOS in '11
- 42% PK usage for teams 17% better than average
- remarkably strong ES production: 32 adj. ESP/80 GP
- 26 points in 61 playoff games
- 14:57 TOI for 521 career games

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skinny pivot surpassed all expectations with a fabulous rookie campaign. A clever checker, Kelly emerged as a top penalty killer and versatile two-way forward last season. Mainly used in a defensive capacity, he can also play wing or alongside star players without skipping a beat.
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jack of all trades... excels on the penalty kill...catalyst behind the mid-season surge up the standings when Spezza and Fisher were injured... a valuable checker.
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the kind of versatile forward any head coach would love to have at his disposal. He's an excellent penalty killer and can be the defensive conscience of any forward trio.
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ottawa's "Mr. Versatility" is reliable, durable and a quality penalty killer. Then again, he lacks the grinding, physical element you look for in a checker.
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as checking centers go, Kelly is a solid option. His lack of ideal size and grinding physical presence is more than offset by his versatility, penalty killing savvy and decent offensive production. As a matter of fact, Kelly anchors one of the best #3 units in the league.
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a highly reliable and versatile forward. Strong on the faceoff dot, he's also good on the penatly kill. Kelly enjoyed a fantastic playoff run, and his production spiked up, but he won't sustain it for 82 games.
(as for the last line, that remains to be seen. Kelly is currently scoring at a 20% higher PPG rate than he did last playoffs)

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Art Hooper, C



Hooper is on the left next to his fellow "little men of iron" Jack Marshall and Jimmy Gardner. There was no picture of hooper on the net that I could find so I took a photo out of The Trail, vol. 1

- size unknown.

- 1902: 17 points, led the top league in hockey, the CAHL.
- 2nd was superstar Russell Bowie with 13 points.
- This might be the most impressive single season posted by any player in the AAA, AA or A draft
- 3 goals in 3 playoff games, tied for the team lead with Marshall, and one off the playoff lead (Gingras)
- Won the Stanley cup. Was the leading scorer of the league in both the regular season and playoffs en route to cup victory

- 1903: 12 points in 6 games, again led Montreal, by 3 points over Marshall
- This total was 4th in the league behind Bowie, McGee and Jordan.
- 5 goals in 4 playoff games, 2nd on Montreal and 3rd among all players
- successfully defended the cup against winnipeg 2-1-1, outscoring them 16-8
- under the rules of the day, ottawa took control of the cup as they won the league that Montreal, the previous winners, played in.
- No one actually beat Hooper and the Montreal AAA for the cup.

- 1904: 8 points in 5 games, 11th in CAHL and 3rd on Montreal.

Total: 45 points in 26 games of the toughest competition available at the time.

The one mention that I can find of hooper's position is in the 1/30/1903 Ottawa paper following game 1 of the finals. He's listed as a rover.

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The Vics were soundly beaten... Boon, Marshall and Hooper all played well... after seven minutes of play, hooper stopped a lift with his hand, and lifted himself... Hooper brought down, passed to Marshall, who passed to Hooper, who scored...
The above article is about all we can get online about Hooper, because the Montreal papers don't seem to be added to Google news for the years he starred in that city. I was able to get this passage from Ottawa, but mentions of his other important games are either missing, or badly damaged.

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March 15th, 1902: Marshall and Hooper were the stars, snagging a brace of goals each.

February 2nd, 1903: a well-earned triumph for the Wheelers who, led by Phillips and Hooper, carried the play throughout.

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He went in the MLD last year, which was probably too high. We're many, many more picks in, so I'll give this guy a shot as one of my spares to fill a spot in my top 6

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Darren Veitch, D



- 5'11", 195 lbs
- 12th in All-star viting in 1987 with an impressive 9 3rd place votes
- 257 Points in 511 games
- 19 adjusted ESP/80GP, 15 on the PP
- ranked 10th and 18th in points by defensemen (72%, 69%)
- impressive 30% PK usage for teams 5% better than average
- averaged 21.07 minutes per game for teams 2% better than average
- ranked #3, 2, 4, 4, 5, 3, 2 on his teams in TOI in seasons with 40+ GP
- 15 points in 33 playoff games
- impressive minors career: 1990 AHL 2nd AST, 1991 IHL championship, 1994 IHL top defenseman
- kept playing in the WCHL until age 39
- ended up with 1332 pro games played

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One would not think that a children's toy could jeopardize a career but one only has to look at Darren Veitch to find such a player. Veitch, drafted 5th overall by the Washington Capitals, was in his own living room when he tripped on his child's toy and put his arm through a glass end table. The injury could have ended his season, and possibly his career, if he did not have microsurgery. Veitch only took two games off after the procedure. At the end of the season he was named one of The Hockey News Comeback Player of the Year.

Veitch's early career was one marked with injuries and a comparison with the defenseman drafted immediately after him. While the Capitals selected Veitch 5th, the Edmonton Oilers picked Paul Coffey with the sixth selection. Coffey was burning up the NHL while Veitch couldn't get a full-time roster spot until his fifth professional season. The comparison was, of course, unfair since teams draft players to fill certain needs or to take the best pick available. Washington drafted Veitch for a reason and could only guess how he would turn out. Another hindrance for him in Washington was the Capitals' depth on defense.

A trade to Detroit on March 10, 1986 boosted Veitch's career. There were some initial troubles with learning Red Wings coach Jacques Demers system. Once that was settled the statistics rose again and, more importantly, the Red Wings won more games.

His downfall in Detroit happened when the Edmonton Oilers eliminated the Red Wings in six games. Coach Demers laid the blame on six players, including Veitch, who had partied into the early morning of the game day. Veitch was denied a playoff bonus because of the incident. When he was traded to the Toronto Maple Leafs on June 10, 1988, Red Wing general manager Jimmy Devellano insisted the curfew breaking was not a factor in the deal.

Veitch managed to play parts of two seasons in the NHL before winding up in the minor leagues.
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one of the league's most promising young defensemen... has a low, hard, accurate blueline shot that rival goalies are learning to respect... as a right handed shot, he provides extra value... not fast but has sufficient mobility for his size and uses his body effectively to take opposing players out of the play...

wings expect him to give them the hard, right handed shot that Reed Larson previously provided... any doubts about his defensive skills were erased during his first 13 games... a plus player throughout his career...

coming off what ranks as his best season in the NHL... was the red wings' +/- leader... offensively, he led Detroit defensemen in goals and assists, thanks to a blistering shot and creative playmaking... known to clutch and grab, discretely.

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Petr Briza, G



- 6'0", 180 lbs
- Over a decade on the Czechoslovakia/Czech Republic national team, but about half of that as Hasek's backup.
- Named best player of the playoffs 3 times in Czechoslovakia/Czech Republic. (1990, 2000, 2006)
- 8 times top 10 in Czech Golden Hockey Stick voting, finishing as high as 3rd 3 times. This award is inclusive of all Czech league players and those who are in the NHL.
- Best goalie in Czech league voting: 2nd in 1986, 3rd in 1987, 3rd in 1988, 2nd in 1989, 1st in 1992) - there is more but I haven't found it
- In his last season of 2005-06, he won player of the year, top goalie, best player of the playoffs, and finished 5th in Czech Golden Hockey Stick voting (the only player from the CR league in the top 10).
- Top goaltender at 1993 world championships
- 5-time Bronze medallist in world events

20+ wins by a goalie in IIHF events, all-time, sorted by wins:

(in case anyone ever comes back to this list, please note that it is edited from what I originally submitted. I accidentally included world junior games for a few players, they are now removed)

Vladislav Tretiak, RUS 103-16-10
Jiri Holecek, CZE 49-10-8
Viktor Konovalenko, RUS 44-3-3
Vladimir Dzurilla, CZE 44-13-4
Tommy Salo, SWE 43-17-6
Nikolai Puchkov, RUS 30-5-4
Dominik Hasek, CZE 30-26-10
Jarmo Myllys, FIN 29-15-7
Peter Lindmark, SWE 29-23-11
Sean Burke, CAN 28-10-7
Arturs Irbe, LAT 28-16-9
Sergei Mylnikov, RUS (undrafted) 26-3-0
Honken Holmqvist, SWE 26-18-3
Petr Briza, CZE 24-17-3
Jiri Kralik, CZE 23-8-5
Bohumil Modry, CZE 23-11-6
Jorma Valtonen, FIN (undrafted) 23-30-8
Roman Cechmanek, CZE 21-9-0
Jimmy Foster, CAN 21-5-3
Jan Peka, FIN (undrafted) 21-16-1
Kjell Svensson, SWE (undrafted) 20-9-3

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7x Bronz z Reprezentačních akcí (MS, ZOH, SP(KP))
MS - 1984 (do 20 let), 1989,1990,1992,1993, ZOH - 1992 , SP - 2004
3x na Světovém (Kanadském) Poháru
1987 - 4. Místo, 1996 - 8. Místo, 2004 - 3. Místo,
3x na Zimních Olympijských Hrách
1988 - 6. Místo (Calgary), 1992 - 3.Místo (Albertville), 1994 - 5. Místo (Lillehamer),
8x na Mistrovství Světa
1984 (do 20 let) - 1989,1990,1991,1992,1993,1994,1995
2005-2006 - HC Sparta Praha
Ligový Titul
Hokejista Sezóny
Nejlepší Brankář
Nejlepší Hráč Play-Off
1. Místo - Anketa MF DNES - Nejlepší Sportovec Prahy
2003-2004 - HC Sparta Praha
Hoklejová Jednička - 4. Místo - 1765 hlasů
2002-2003 - HC Sparta Praha
Hokejová Jednička - 3. Místo - 5569
2001-2002 - HC Sparta Praha
Hokejista Sezóny
+ Ligový Titul
Hokejová Jednička - 2. Místo - 4935 Hlasů
2000-2001 - HC Sparta Praha
Nejužitěčnější Hráč České Ligy
Hokejová Jednička - 5.Místo - 1297 Hlasů
1999-2000 - Hc Sparta Praha
Nejlepší Brankář České Ligy
Nejlepší Hráč Play-Off
+ Ligový Titul
Hokejová jednička - 2.Místo -4670 Hlasů
1998/1999 - Landshut Cannibals
Nejlepší Brankář Německé DEL Ligy
1992/1993 - Lukko Rauma
All Star Tým SM-Ligy
Nejlepší Brankář MS 1993 podle direktoria IIHF
1.All Star Tým MS 1993 (Dortmunt, Mnichov)
1991/1992 - Lukko Rauma
Nejlepší Brankář Finské SM Ligy (Urpo Ylönen Trophy)
All Star tým SM-Ligy
2.All Star Tým MS 1992 (Praha, Bratislava)
1990/1991 - HC Sparta Praha
Top - Anketa Týdeníku Tip - Nejlepší Brankář
Ligový All Star Tým - Nejlepší Brankář
206 minut bez inkasovaného gólu
1989/1990 - HC Sparta Praha
Nejlepší hráč Play-Off
Ligový Titul

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7x bronze of representative actions (MS, Winter Olympics, sP (CP))
MS - 1984 (up to 20 years), 1989,1990,1992,1993, winter Olympics - 1992, SP-2004
three times on the world (Canada) cup
1987 - 4 . Instead, 1996 - 8 . Instead, 2004 - 3 .
Place,three times in the Winter Olympic Games
1988 - 6 . Place (Calgary, 1992 - 3 . place (Albertville), 1994 - 5 . Place (lillehamer),
8x in the World Cup
1984 (up to 20 years) - 1989,1990,1991,1992,1993,1994,1995
2005-2006 - HC Sparta Praha
league championship
hockey player season
best goalkeeper
the best player play-off
1. Place - inquiry MF Dnes - the best athlete Prague
2003-2004 - HC Sparta Prahahoklejová
one - 4 . Place - 1765 votes
2002-2003 - HC Sparta Prahahockey
one - 3 . Place - 55692001-2002 - HC Sparta Praha
hockey player season+ league title
hockey one - 2 .
Place - 4935 votes
2000-2001 - HC Sparta Prahanejužitěčnější
player Czech leaguehockey one - (5 )
Place - 1297 votes
1999-2000 - HC Sparta Praha
best goalkeeper Czech league
the best player play-off+ league title
hockey one - 2 . The place - 4670 votes
1998/1999 - Landshut cannibals
best goalkeeper German del league
with - lukko Raumaall-star team SM-league
best goalkeeper MS 1993 , the director iihf1 .
All-star team MS 1993 (dortmunt, Munich)
1991/1992 - lukko Raumabest goalkeeper Finnish SM League (urpo ylă¶nen trophy)
all-star team SM-league2 .
All-star team MS 1992 (Prague, Bratislava)
1990/1991 - HC Sparta Prahatop - inquiry weekly tip - best goalkeeper
League all-star team - best goalkeeper
206 minutes without inkasovaného goal
For - HC Sparta Praha
The best player play-off
league Title


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John Brophy, Coach

(taken from last year's A draft, names changed to protect innocent undrafted coaches)



This might be a controversial one, because Brophy was the coach of the sad sack Leafs of the late 1980s with a .378 in% in 193 games, but:

- He guided them to a 70-point season in 1987, which was their best total between 1981 and 1990.
- He engineered a playoff upset of St. Louis and then just about took out the favoured Red Wings as well.
- His playoff record as a Leaf coach was 9-10. Other Leaf coaches from 1980-1992 combined for a record of 8-18.

But a selection of John Brophy should not really be based on his NHL career. Brophy actually coached 1638 games outside the NHL (that hockeydb knows about) and won 815 of them, with a total win% of .543. The fiery white-headed general is best known for his time in the ECHL, where he won three titles with Hampton Roads. He never won a coach of the year title, but in 2004 the league paid homage to Brophy by renaming the award in his honour - that says something. Ted Nolan lacks longevity and experience compared to many ATD coaches. Brophy is all about longevity and experience. Together they make an ideal duo.

Brian Kilrea was selected based on 2,156 games of junior hockey. *** ******* was selected based on just two and a half seasons with a Bobby Orr-driven Stanley Cup. Dick Todd and Tom Watt are longtime NHL assistants and Watt was not very successful as an NHL head coach. Bun Cook coached strictly in the AHL. Father David Bauer coached only amateurs internationally. Lloyd Percival did coach somewhere, but very, very little is known about his coaching record. ***** ******* was strictly a junior coach with a career less than half as long as Kilrea's. ****** ********'s resume is entirely SJHL (junior A) based. Boris Kulagin, Jan Starsi, and Ivan Hlinka were successful internationally, but unproven as NHLers.

With all that taken to heart, do you mean to tell me that a guy who coached over 1800 pro games and won over 1000, with three league titles earned by guding pros through multiple playoff rounds and having the coach of the year trophy named after him, isn't worthy of selection yet? I disagree.

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History: The Coach of the Year award was named in honor of legendary ECHL coach John Brophy prior to 2003-04. Brophy coached more seasons than any other coach in league history with Hampton Roads from 1989-2000 and Wheeling from 2001-03, compiling a career record of 480-323-79 in the regular season and 55-39 in the postseason. Hampton Roads reached the postseason in each of his 11 seasons behind the bench, winning back-to-back titles in 1991 and 1992 and an ECHL record third title in 1998. His three ECHL titles are the most in league history and he is also the all-time leader among ECHL coaches in regular season games (878) and regular season wins (480) and postseason games (94) and wins (55). Brophy has 1,027 professional wins and ranks second all-time in professional hockey behind only the legendary Scotty Bowman (1,244 wins).
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As a coach for more than 50 years in assorted minor leagues and, for a while, with the Toronto Maple Leafs, Brophy won 1,034 games, second only to Scotty Bowman’s 1,244 professional regular-season victories.

He has come out of retirement this season to coach the Richmond Renegades, a new team in the Southern Professional Hockey League, three rungs below the National Hockey League. Competitive coals still smolder within.

“Am I driven?” Brophy said. “Very much so. Driven to win. To me nothing, nothing, replaces winning. Nothing.”

At practice, his players are mindful of the stories, the “Slap Shot” legend, his demand of 100 percent effort 100 percent of the time. They understand his penchant for high-tempo drills, for conditioning and skating, for skating and more skating.

“Sometimes he gets worked up,” said David Mitchell, a rugged 21-year-old forward. “He gets worked up if you’re not working.” Allan B. Harvie Jr., the president and general manager of the Renegades, is relying on Brophy to take care of business on the ice while he gets the franchise off the ground.

There’s no more knowledgeable guy in hockey right now,” Harvie said. “The last thing I wanted to worry about was the team.”
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pundits describe him as a student of the old school... the Leafs liked the condition and attitudes of the players he sent them from the farm team in St. Catherines... team president Harold Ballard respects his hard-line approach to the game... affable type who turns tyrant when the game begins... no fancy talks... has coached in every league in pro hockey...
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glaring eyes and a red face under a mop of snow-white hair is a sight to behold on the Leafs bench... knows precisely what he wants and what he can realistically expect from players... a firm believer that intense checking is the key to success... likes a lot of toughness, too... has had an ongoing war of words with Detroit coach Jacques Demers... talks in staccato outbursts.
I admit I do have a soft spot in my heart for Brophy though. One of my fondest memories is my backyard rink that my dad and uncle built in the 1988-89 season, naming it the John Brophy Memorial Arena, as a tribute to his upcoming firing.


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Totally random and after the fact, but I just realized this is Brian Bradley. I saw the 75th anniversary logo so I knew it was 1991-92, and I was like "WHAT?? Frycer was with the leafs THAT long?"

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I'll be honest, I don't see what would make Alexander Semak a good pick even right now, 460 picks later.

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Coach Curt Lundmark

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Totally random and after the fact, but I just realized this is Brian Bradley. I saw the 75th anniversary logo so I knew it was 1991-92, and I was like "WHAT?? Frycer was with the leafs THAT long?"
Oh good catch, I would never have picked up on that.

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