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12-20-2011, 11:34 PM
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I would love to see Whitmore get a look with some better skill guys next game. He had good speed and a quick release.

Maybe a Whitmore/Adam/Kassian line.
I agree, I liked his offensive presence a lot more than I thought I would. When everyone said he was a career AHL guy i thought he'd basically be another mancari. He was definitely a pleasant surprise.

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12-20-2011, 11:40 PM
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That what I thought it was for as well but the time between that hit and when the ref's arm went up was too long for that to be the call.
I had no clue what the call was on Goose and said so in the GDT but folks said there (like you have here) that it probably was the elbow. So I went along with that explanation. Now I'm back to my original position that it was a phantom call and that one combined with the non-call on Vanek (replay clearly shows the Sen's D with his stick and arms wrapped around TV... even if TV embellished it a little) put the game entirely out of reach.

That's my beef with the refs tonight. But to be clear, the Sabres did not lose this game because of the ref's.

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12-21-2011, 02:05 AM
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We are a mess right now. Anemic offensively, and very poor defensively.

- So wait, everyone who thought Weber would come in for MAG and be a savior, how is that working out? My God, is he awful.

- Miller was fantastic. Left out to dry all night long. Felt bad for the guy.

- The top line of V-R-P sucked hard. Roy is not the center they need. Vanek's injury showed. Pominville got belted during a scrum, and no one so much as looked Carkner's way. Glad to see we're back to ***** hockey.

- Is Stafford in the lineup right now? I can't tell, to be honest.

- Whitmore played well. He was a bright spot. Foligno was.... there. He could have scored had Kassian (I believe) made a better pass to him in front of the net.

This team is just.... oof. Rough, rough, rough. With the incredible amount of injuries, I'm not panicking. Not yet. If they're healthy and playing like this in February, I'll be holding down the panic button with both hands.

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12-21-2011, 02:27 AM
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So, did Ruff break Weber?

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12-21-2011, 02:33 AM
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Gragnani used mind control on him. Derek Roy and Drew Stafford also helped.

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12-21-2011, 03:17 AM
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As bad as it's been we are currently 1 point out of a playoff spot. If someone would have given me the injury list for this team back in October, I would have taken 35 points at this spot in a heartbeat.

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12-21-2011, 06:53 AM
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As bad as it's been we are currently 1 point out of a playoff spot. If someone would have given me the injury list for this team back in October, I would have taken 35 points at this spot in a heartbeat.
I refuse to look at the short term goals any longer. Terry wants to build this thing to last, well judging by the way the team plays... this product is not going to win a cup. It has nothing to do with wins and or losses it has to do with how the team plays and has played for years under Ruff.

Adding a player or two might fix a patch, but it's not going to fix the roof.


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12-21-2011, 07:08 AM
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Not really anything. He gave the usual types of answers. But near the end of the interview Sylvester said something along the lines of you seem mad and Kassian said he was mad. But Kassian spoke in a calm quiet voice the entire interview.
I thought he was having a harder time staying calm about it. He looked PO'd.

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12-21-2011, 07:57 AM
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I thought he was having a harder time staying calm about it. He looked PO'd.
Good. He should have; just as everyone in that locker room should have.

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12-21-2011, 08:09 AM
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I refuse to look at the short term goals any longer. Terry wants to build this thing to last, well judging by the way the team plays... this product is not going to win a cup. It has nothing to do with wins and or losses it has to do with how the team plays and has played for years under Ruff.

Adding a player or two might fix a patch, but it's not going to fix the roof.
That's how I've felt for a few years now. There was a lot of excitement, deservedly so, for the fun offseason, but the issues are deeper than adding a few UFAs can fix.

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12-21-2011, 08:15 AM
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I thought the Sabres played reasonably well in the first 2 periods although there was the occasional brain cramp. However the totally unforced errors especially on the power play were embarrrassing. Individual mistakes by younger players who were trying to do too much are one thing--and we saw that. But the steady dumb ass moves by experienced players--listen up Roy--is unforgiveable. This team has been making those mistakes prior to the big injury list but I will accept that without the NHL regulars in the lineup it is impossible to fairly assess what Ruff is now doing. I am going to look for some Prozac.........

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12-21-2011, 08:16 AM
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Refreshing --

- Kassian's post-game emotion. It's about time someone actually gets angry rather than dejected or despondent or the worst -- glib.
Considering Lindy already cut off his balls on the ice, it won't last long

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Considering Lindy already cut off his balls on the ice, it won't last long
Eh, that's more Regier/Christiano last year telling him to tone it down. He's been pretty passive much of this recall but going back even into last year with the Spits -- he'll absorb contact as a way of making plays but outside of the Caps game back near Thanksgiving, his hitting is not there.

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12-21-2011, 08:48 AM
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As bad as it's been we are currently 1 point out of a playoff spot. If someone would have given me the injury list for this team back in October, I would have taken 35 points at this spot in a heartbeat.
A few days ago it was 'As bad as it's been we're still in 7th' and soon it's going to be 'as bad as it's been we're still in 12th'

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So Winchester is concussed. File that under "Ugly"
The Gaustad hit clearly deserves a contract long suspension. I think Stafford and Roy had intent as well.

G- The Kids

B- Ruff blaming officiating. If anything, I thought the Sabres were given an edge.

U- The Core. Seriously. In my 30 years of watching hockey, I've never verbalized "Player X, I hope we effing trade you Jan 2.". I said it 3 times about Staff last night, and once about Roy. I've had enough.

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12-21-2011, 09:26 AM
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We are a mess right now. Anemic offensively, and very poor defensively.

- So wait, everyone who thought Weber would come in for MAG and be a savior, how is that working out? My God, is he awful.

- Miller was fantastic. Left out to dry all night long. Felt bad for the guy.

- The top line of V-R-P sucked hard. Roy is not the center they need. Vanek's injury showed. Pominville got belted during a scrum, and no one so much as looked Carkner's way. Glad to see we're back to ***** hockey.

- Is Stafford in the lineup right now? I can't tell, to be honest.

- Whitmore played well. He was a bright spot. Foligno was.... there. He could have scored had Kassian (I believe) made a better pass to him in front of the net.

This team is just.... oof. Rough, rough, rough. With the incredible amount of injuries, I'm not panicking. Not yet. If they're healthy and playing like this in February, I'll be holding down the panic button with both hands.
Getting Grags off the PP was a big plus last night. It took until the 3rd PP for Ruff to FINALLY put Leo/Hoff together on the points on the #1 unit. They scored and dare I say looked competent to good in the process.

As for Grags -vs- Weber, I choose McNabb.

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12-21-2011, 09:35 AM
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guys. they were playing like this when they were healthy. they had a decent start then crapped out quickly. the games they lost, they lost the same way theyre losing now. its not the injuries - in fact, the replacements have been the bright spots in my opinion.. there are a few players on this team that just dont get it or arent caring enough to change. ROY and STAFFORD and VANEK only play hard on the shifts they want, the nights they want, the weeks they want. if you want to fix this team, two of them need to go.. otherwise take your chances with a new coach.

sorry for the rant.

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Getting Grags off the PP was a big plus last night. It took until the 3rd PP for Ruff to FINALLY put Leo/Hoff together on the points on the #1 unit. They scored and dare I say looked competent to good in the process.

As for Grags -vs- Weber, I choose McNabb.
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He has been a breath of fresh air back there. Big, mean and solid defensively.

Add in a healthy Myers and we should be in good shape defensively.

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guys. they were playing like this when they were healthy. they had a decent start then crapped out quickly. the games they lost, they lost the same way theyre losing now. its not the injuries - in fact, the replacements have been the bright spots in my opinion.. there are a few players on this team that just dont get it or arent caring enough to change. ROY and STAFFORD and VANEK only play hard on the shifts they want, the nights they want, the weeks they want. if you want to fix this team, two of them need to go.. otherwise take your chances with a new coach.

sorry for the rant.
This. I'd add a few other players but yea.

Pretty much it.

Either look at the players who aren't playing hard or look at the coach and GM who brought them in and tried to teach them. Its not like these players have been here for a few months... most of them have had multiple contracts here. Its the GMs job to realize when players don't have "it" talent wise and emotional wise and its the coaches job to have everyone on the team ready to go. Lindy and Darcy have worked together long enough... Lindy should know what guys compete.

Its not just 1 or 2 guys. There are too many players who fall into this category.


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i heard often that every center can produce between Vanek an Pomms - for me it was only Adam when those 3 played their best. Why Ruff does not put him back there dosenīt get in my mind.

This was the line who was great from the start. I like Adams game right now and would like to see them back together

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i heard often that every center can produce between Vanek an Pomms - for me it was only Adam when those 3 played their best. Why Ruff does not put him back there dosenīt get in my mind.

This was the line who was great from the start. I like Adams game right now and would like to see them back together
Because putting Adam there would make sense. Can't have that.

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Because putting Adam there would make sense. Can't have that.
I think he is protecting Adam as he should with a 21 year old kid. Its not really fair to put it on him to get that line going again.

Its amazing how things change in a few months. Many felt Adam was going to start in Rochester and now they feel he is being misused not centering the top line.

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I think he is protecting Adam as he should with a 21 year old kid. Its not really fair to put it on him to get that line going again.

Its amazing how things change in a few months. Many felt Adam was going to start in Rochester and now they feel he is being misused not centering the top line.
So he has him start the season on the top line as their center, but now 1/3 of the way into the season he's protecting him? Yeah, I don't buy that. It's also not about getting Vanek and Pominville going. It's about putting someone between them that fits.

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So he has him start the season on the top line as their center, but now 1/3 of the way into the season he's protecting him? Yeah, I don't buy that. It's also not about getting Vanek and Pominville going. It's about putting someone between them that fits.
Adam dug his own hole with some poor defensive zone plays and general lack of backchecking effort. Much like Boyes last year, once he started down that road, his scoring went with it. Now he's got less responsibility on LW and there has been some signs of life on the scoresheet.

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