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Out of curiosity, what were the future considerations the Sharks got back for Joslin? I thought that involved Carolina sending Ian White to the Sharks for a 2nd, but that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
I don't think there is really any hard definition of "future considerations"
Make it a conditional 2013 pick if he doesn't re-sign with the Sharks. When I proposed that last night, I was trying to find a way for the Canes to get a 1st and a week to get Ruutu back under contract without having to compete with other teams for his services. Future considerations involves the Sharks sending the rights to Ruutu back to the Canes for that pick before the draft. Sharks wouldn't add anything else. But, the more I think about it, the less sense it makes and I don't know if something like that would even be legal.
Out of curiosity, what were the future considerations the Sharks got back for Joslin? I thought that involved Carolina sending Ian White to the Sharks for a 2nd, but that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
If Ruutu doesn't have interest in re-signing with the Sharks, I'd be happy to send him back for a 3rd or a 4th as long as the original trade is still for the 2013 1st round pick in some way.
There hasn't been any confirmation of what was the future consideration for Joslin. My guess is that the Sharks wanted to move him before the day counted against the cap and get White after the day counted against the cap.
Make it a conditional 2013 pick if he doesn't re-sign with the Sharks. When I proposed that last night, I was trying to find a way for the Canes to get a 1st and a week to get Ruutu back under contract without having to compete with other teams for his services. Future considerations involves the Sharks sending the rights to Ruutu back to the Canes for that pick before the draft. Sharks wouldn't add anything else. But, the more I think about it, the less sense it makes and I don't know if something like that would even be legal.
Well, I think the Sharks would/should try to re-sign Ruutu first before agreeing to trade him anywhere so the real deal would have to be 2013 1st + Nitty for Ruutu. If the Canes want Mitchell and/or a mid-level D prospect, that'd be fine.
Then, if the Sharks didn't/couldn't re-sign Ruutu, sure we'd be willing to deal him back.
If Ruutu doesn't have interest in re-signing with the Sharks, I'd be happy to send him back for a 3rd or a 4th as long as the original trade is still for the 2013 1st round pick in some way.
There hasn't been any confirmation of what was the future consideration for Joslin. My guess is that the Sharks wanted to move him before the day counted against the cap and get White after the day counted against the cap.
If I'm Jim Rutherford, I would probably opt to move Ruutu elsewhere, if a 2012 1st were to be offered. I have my doubts about a team willing to pay that price, though. So, yeah, a 2013 1st would be fine. The 2012 pick is more valuable, but the 2013 pick should still either (1) help the Canes move up into the 1st round in 2012, if necessary, or (2) be a useful trade asset to help the Canes fill the holes not filled in free agency, or (3) be used to grab a pretty good draft prospect in 2013.
Combining the different variations of the Ruutu to SJ trade....
If I'm Jim Rutherford, I would probably opt to move Ruutu elsewhere, if a 2012 1st were to be offered. I have my doubts about a team willing to pay that price, though. So, yeah, a 2013 1st would be fine. The 2012 pick is more valuable, but the 2013 pick should still either (1) help the Canes move up into the 1st round in 2012, if necessary, or (2) be a useful trade asset to help the Canes fill the holes not filled in free agency, or (3) be used to grab a pretty good draft prospect in 2013.
Combining the different variations of the Ruutu to SJ trade....
If I'm Jim Rutherford, I would probably opt to move Ruutu elsewhere, if a 2012 1st were to be offered. I have my doubts about a team willing to pay that price, though. So, yeah, a 2013 1st would be fine. The 2012 pick is more valuable, but the 2013 pick should still either (1) help the Canes move up into the 1st round in 2012, if necessary, or (2) be a useful trade asset to help the Canes fill the holes not filled in free agency, or (3) be used to grab a pretty good draft prospect in 2013.
Combining the different variations of the Ruutu to SJ trade....
If I'm Jim Rutherford, I would probably opt to move Ruutu elsewhere, if a 2012 1st were to be offered. I have my doubts about a team willing to pay that price, though. So, yeah, a 2013 1st would be fine. The 2012 pick is more valuable, but the 2013 pick should still either (1) help the Canes move up into the 1st round in 2012, if necessary, or (2) be a useful trade asset to help the Canes fill the holes not filled in free agency, or (3) be used to grab a pretty good draft prospect in 2013.
Combining the different variations of the Ruutu to SJ trade....
I'd definitely do it but I doubt JR is all that willing to take much salary back even if he gets a 1st out of it. I also don't think Stewart would interest the Sharks too much but if it means getting Ruutu, I'd do it and try to flip Stewart later.
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Originally Posted by sjshark91
With Vandy coming back and White starting to play good we could use the extra forward depth. I saw Cammi and went blind.
We definitely need the forward depth but not at the expense of their current blue line depth.
I'd definitely do it but I doubt JR is all that willing to take much salary back even if he gets a 1st out of it. I also don't think Stewart would interest the Sharks too much but if it means getting Ruutu, I'd do it and try to flip Stewart later.
Well, the reason why I don't think he would have a problem taking back Mitchell and Nitty is the cap floor. Carolina is barely over it at the point. The Canes look to have some pretty attractive assets available come the deadline. In order to move Ruutu, Gleason, Allen and maybe even Spacek (if anybody wants him), some salary needs to be coming back the other way. Don't get to use this term much with the NHL, but their expiring contracts are important. There is precedence here. JR took back Brian Pothier in the Joe Corvo trade to Washington. Pothier only made $250k less than Corvo in 09-10, according to Capgeek (Pothier and Corvo.)
Stewart doesn't need to be included, if you don't want him. I threw him in there because the Shark fan on Page 1 asked for him.
Last edited by Big Daddy Cane: 12-23-2011 at 01:56 AM.
If I'm Jim Rutherford, I would probably opt to move Ruutu elsewhere, if a 2012 1st were to be offered. I have my doubts about a team willing to pay that price, though. So, yeah, a 2013 1st would be fine. The 2012 pick is more valuable, but the 2013 pick should still either (1) help the Canes move up into the 1st round in 2012, if necessary, or (2) be a useful trade asset to help the Canes fill the holes not filled in free agency, or (3) be used to grab a pretty good draft prospect in 2013.
Combining the different variations of the Ruutu to SJ trade....
Aside from Ruutu, I'd be interested in David Jones from COL. Guy could fill the 2nd line RW spot Havlat filled - he is almost exactly the type of tweener we need.
COL, what would it take to get it done?
It appears he is going to test the market next year, as he is a UFA and he doesn't appear to be part of your core. Additionally I believe until the cba is sorted out that your management has deemed they are not going to spend big bucks.
I would give you Jones for a 1st or a good winger prospect that would be ready next year maybe. Maybe even add to Jones as well. Like Jones + conditional 3rd for a 1st or good wing prospect. Condition would be something like that he signs with you guys if that's what your looking for.
When Jones is on he is a 50 point player I think. He could hit 30G 20A or 25/25 with good line mates and some consistency that we have not been able to give him. He scores and is good defensively but does not have much in the way of play-making ability. He has played his best when he played with Stastny all year last year.
