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12-21-2011, 09:09 PM
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That isn't completely true. In 1991 when Lemieux was out, the C was given to Coffey for the most part, Cullen, and Hillier. Badger Bob believed in someone wearing the C when the C would be out for sometime.

Lemieux didn't have an issue with it. Everyone on the team knew he was the C and would have it back when he played.

I think people get too wrapped up in this no one should wear the C because Crosby is out stuff. If Sid is out for a while, or they think he'll be out till next season, they should absolutely give the C to someone else, whether it be Orpik, Malkin, or Staal. If anything, it gives the Pens a primary player for the officials to communicate with about issues instead of anyone wearing the A wondering which one should go talk to the on ice official.

Orpik: "Stalsy, go talk to the ref..."
Staal: "Why don't you talk to the ref?"
Malkin: "Me talk to ref. Me tell him this ********."



Edit: Here's a pic I found when Coffey was wearing the C when Lemieux was out.



Here's a pic of Cullen wearing the C when Lemieux was out.


Yea, I remember this. I remember like Mullen, Stevens as well. I guess it is just a coaching decision. Would be cool seeing Malkin with the C for some games, or Orpik, etc.

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12-21-2011, 10:24 PM
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Am I wrong in thinking that you're supposed to knock on wood if you DON'T WANT to jinx what you are saying?
Correct, I do not want Crosby to be out for the rest of the season.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knocking_on_wood

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Geno is above 50% on faceoffs when on the PP. 54/45 to be exact which makes him 54% and a pinch.

He is also above 50% on draws at home, and below 40% away.

Now - what this suggests to me is that he wins a much larger percentage of draws when he is amped up (arsed) to do so.

I want him to understand that it matters, and that he cares enough that he tries hard on every one of them.

Just getting this out there while I am otherwise consumed with joy that my favorite current player is back at his real level .
I don't know anything about technicallities of taking face-offs, but just watch him:
when he is amped up he grips that stick as if his life depends on it. Usually it is in games when he is playing well, flying around, has a jump like no other player. If he is slumping sometimes he doesn't even try, he just drops the stick down - and loose. coincendentally Pens play better at home so does Gino.

Gino is not your standard player that went through North American hockey schools and trainings. Do not underestimate his upbringing, being a fellow Slav, I sort of think to have a little bit of understanding of his psych, he's never going to be Sid, he is who he is and there is only question is that worth 8.7 mil/year. For my money, it is, sometimes I wish he just leaves Pens so the fans can enjoy 2 good 4-mil players and never have to count his wrong passes and "lazy loops"

The coach who completely understands his psych will get the most out of him, and that will be something that will be worth watching.

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12-21-2011, 11:44 PM
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Correct, I do not want Crosby to be out for the rest of the season.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knocking_on_wood
...in order to avoid "tempting fate" after making a favourable observation, a boast, or speaking of one's own death


That's what I thought.

But it's the way you used the phrase. By prefacing "worst case scenario" with *Knock on wood*... it made it sound like you're hoping for the worst case scenario, and that you don't want to tempt fate or jinx it. The "knock on wood" part was what qualified your "worst case scenario" as your "favourable observation".

Now I knoooow what you're thinking... how is a worst case scenario a favourable observation? Right? The worst case scenario is relative to the subject matter and the conditions placed upon it. Since you said "Sid doesn't come back"... the the subject matter is "Sid" and the condition is "does not come back". Put that into the context of you trying to give the captaincy to Geno... at first glance, it was hard for me tell that you didn't dislike Sid. If you did dislike Sid, and it's not uncommon that some people don't like him, the "worst case scenario" (for Sid, or for the people you are addressing being Penguins fans) would be favourable to you.

If you had said *Knock on wood* I hope it doesn't happen but... worst case scenario...

whole different ball-game.

Besides, *knock on wood* is supposed to be said after you say what you are saying.

Just saying.

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12-22-2011, 12:17 AM
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Truthfully - I give Geno the "C" right now. He's the one player playing with passion and I think it'd be an honor to wear it. Sid's out... so lets get the "C" on someone. Geno deserves it.

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...in order to avoid "tempting fate" after making a favourable observation, a boast, or speaking of one's own death


That's what I thought.

But it's the way you used the phrase. By prefacing "worst case scenario" with *Knock on wood*... it made it sound like you're hoping for the worst case scenario, and that you don't want to tempt fate or jinx it. The "knock on wood" part was what qualified your "worst case scenario" as your "favourable observation".

Now I knoooow what you're thinking... how is a worst case scenario a favourable observation? Right? The worst case scenario is relative to the subject matter and the conditions placed upon it. Since you said "Sid doesn't come back"... the the subject matter is "Sid" and the condition is "does not come back". Put that into the context of you trying to give the captaincy to Geno... at first glance, it was hard for me tell that you didn't dislike Sid. If you did dislike Sid, and it's not uncommon that some people don't like him, the "worst case scenario" (for Sid, or for the people you are addressing being Penguins fans) would be favourable to you.

If you had said *Knock on wood* I hope it doesn't happen but... worst case scenario...

whole different ball-game.

Besides, *knock on wood* is supposed to be said after you say what you are saying.

Just saying.
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12-22-2011, 12:43 AM
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Truthfully - I give Geno the "C" right now. He's the one player playing with passion and I think it'd be an honor to wear it. Sid's out... so lets get the "C" on someone. Geno deserves it.
This is one of the few times I disagree with you Cole. While I am the biggest Malkin fan out there. I'd give it to #44. But that's just my opinion.

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12-22-2011, 12:48 AM
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Why change what is going well? Just let it be as it is right now and deal with the C when the time actually comes.

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Why change what is going well? *knock on wood* Just let it be as it is right now and deal with the C when a worst case scenario actually comes.
Fixed it for ya.

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This is one of the few times I disagree with you Cole. While I am the biggest Malkin fan out there. I'd give it to #44. But that's just my opinion.
Maybe at some other point in time, but if the C were up for grabs, I don't see how you can justify giving it to Orpik.

His play this year has been absolutely horrendous, and he might well be the whiniest player we have on the ice. I don't honestly believe I've ever seen him get called for a penalty and go to the box without protesting it like some immature brat.

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Why the F are we even thinking about life after Crosby right now? If that occurs, the captaincy would be the least of our concerns.
My thoughts exactly.

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12-22-2011, 02:52 AM
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Just throwing this out there - The one who should get the "C" if Sid would be gone for a very long time... is no one anyone else thinks of.

It would be Craig Adams

"OMG What? No way!"

Uhhh... Yeah. He's a true leader. Who cares if he's rarely on the score sheet, he's a true leader. Works hard every shift, does every little thing that matters to get the win, he's never a follower, and shows respect to the game.

I'm sorry, but Brooks isn't captain material. He does a lot that isn't captain-friendly.

If we're going by "must be a star" then I'd go with Staalzy. If we're going by the true definition of captain, it's Craig Adams.

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If there were to be an interim captain, it should be Malkin.

The Penguins tradition is that for the last 20+ years, their captain is the best player on the team, one of the top players in the league, and a sure-fire HOFer.

That's Malkin. A lot of teams have traditions with captains that were 4th liners or defensive defenseman, players for whom leadership was really truly an asset. But that's not the Penguins way.

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Why do we need an interim captain? what's wrong with 3 As?

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I don't know anything about technicallities of taking face-offs, but just watch him:
when he is amped up he grips that stick as if his life depends on it. Usually it is in games when he is playing well, flying around, has a jump like no other player. If he is slumping sometimes he doesn't even try, he just drops the stick down - and loose. coincendentally Pens play better at home so does Gino.

Gino is not your standard player that went through North American hockey schools and trainings. Do not underestimate his upbringing, being a fellow Slav, I sort of think to have a little bit of understanding of his psych, he's never going to be Sid, he is who he is and there is only question is that worth 8.7 mil/year. For my money, it is, sometimes I wish he just leaves Pens so the fans can enjoy 2 good 4-mil players and never have to count his wrong passes and "lazy loops"

The coach who completely understands his psych will get the most out of him, and that will be something that will be worth watching.
Interesting point. It took Therrien two years to get it. I think Bylsma has been starting to get it since Geno went out with the knee injury (not that he 'needs' Geno, but the extensive video work he did with the coaches is the type of thing that gives a coach insight into how a player thinks not just about hockey but in general). Maybe I'm wrong, but I think you can see now that Bylsma and especially Granato trust Geno in a way and at a level that they didn't before.

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Just throwing this out there - The one who should get the "C" if Sid would be gone for a very long time... is no one anyone else thinks of.

It would be Craig Adams

"OMG What? No way!"

Uhhh... Yeah. He's a true leader. Who cares if he's rarely on the score sheet, he's a true leader. Works hard every shift, does every little thing that matters to get the win, he's never a follower, and shows respect to the game.

I'm sorry, but Brooks isn't captain material. He does a lot that isn't captain-friendly.

If we're going by "must be a star" then I'd go with Staalzy. If we're going by the true definition of captain, it's Craig Adams.
This . . .

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I think he could easily win 48/49 % of his draws if he concentrated on every single one, he likes to go forward a lot and sometimes he just flicks at the puck not putting much effort into it.

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The Evolution of Evgeni Malkin

Mike Colligan over at The Hockey Writers with another solid read. This time he tackles the Evolution of Evgeni Malkin

Love his work. Take a peek.

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Mike Colligan over at The Hockey Writers with another solid read. This time he tackles the Evolution of Evgeni Malkin

Love his work. Take a peek.
Thanks, Mibby, good stuff . . .

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Wait, am I to understand that Geno's problems these past couple of years have been injuries and aloofness, and NOT Bylsma?

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Wait, am I to understand that Geno's problems these past couple of years have been injuries and aloofness, and NOT Bylsma?
get out of here and take your crazy talk with you

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Geno will reach his peak when he is used as a true center who the team relies on in every single facet of the game - 5-on-5, powerplay, PK, defensive face-off specialist, everything. Geno doesn't wilt from pressure, he thrives. By providing him that structure and focus, he'll be freer to use his "feel" for the game to dominate and generally be a force of nature.

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If there were to be an interim captain, it should be Malkin.

The Penguins tradition is that for the last 20+ years, their captain is the best player on the team, one of the top players in the league, and a sure-fire HOFer.

That's Malkin. A lot of teams have traditions with captains that were 4th liners or defensive defenseman, players for whom leadership was really truly an asset. But that's not the Penguins way.
I can think of one guy who didn't quite fit that mold.


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