Notes:
Wolski re-signed, 2 year 5.50 million
Kulikov re-signed, 5 year, 20 million.
Garrison re-signed 4 years, 17 million
Versteeg re-signed, 5 years, 23 million.
Matthias re-signed, 3 years, 6.5 million
Ellerby, qualified again.
Notes:
Wolski re-signed, 2 year 5.50 million
Kulikov re-signed, 5 year, 20 million.
Garrison re-signed 4 years, 17 million
Versteeg re-signed, 5 years, 23 million.
Matthias re-signed, 3 years, 6.5 million
Ellerby, qualified again.
Out of the suggestions so far I like these lines the most. I would make one change and that would be to move Bergy up to the 2nd line and Wolski back to the 3rd. Bergy has really shown his worth since coming back from injury and he is a hard nosed grinder who can drive the net and make more room for Huby n Matthias!
Also think Samuelson might still be here next year. Depends on who Tallon deals off this team come draft time.
Where's Danger? Pick a day of the week, any day of the week, that's the day I'd pick Matthias over Upshall.
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Originally Posted by Beezer
Out of the suggestions so far I like these lines the most. I would make one change and that would be to move Bergy up to the 2nd line and Wolski back to the 3rd. Bergy has really shown his worth since coming back from injury and he is a hard nosed grinder who can drive the net and make more room for Huby n Matthias!
Also think Samuelson might still be here next year. Depends on who Tallon deals off this team come draft time.
I think the fear is that Wolski will start to float if left on the 3rd line too long. I'd also like to see Samuelson come back.
If we go into next season with what we currently have in the system, and I don't think we will, I can see:
Flash-Weiss-Steeg (Unless Huberdeau kills it)
Bergenheim-Huberdeau-Samuelsson (I think they really like what Sams can do, it shows that he's still here after yesterday)
Kopecky-Goc-Wolski/Matthias/Upshall
Bradley-Smithson-Skille
Barch
I can see them re-signing Wolski for his skills in the SO, and what he can create. I do see us making a move or three. Depends on what winds up happening with Upshall, I guess. Lots of question marks.
Soup-Garrison
Kuli-Guds/Weaver
Jovo-Weaver/Guds
Theo
Markstrom
Hard to do, way too many questions out there...
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I would guess that at least 1 (and quite possibly 2) of Wolski and Samuelson won't be back next year. I think most people would agree that we need improvement in secondary scoring and since we already have 28 different 3rd and 4th line types, an upgrade on the 2nd line may be on Tallon's radar. I know Hubs should improve this situation somewhat, but he will still be a rookie. I would be surprised if Tallon DIDNT add a Top-6 forward (especially considering he is very active GM).
I don't see a spot for either Bjugs or Howden. They will need to wait and that is a GOOD thing.
Good teams don't have 3 rookies on the team. They just don't. As much as we want to see them, having 3 (actually 4 + Guds) players 20 or younger just isn't a great recipie for success. Let them grow into men and come into the league developed and ready to go (isn't this what Detroit does and everyone here gags to be like them don't they?) Hubs is a special case because he is just so damn good.
Overall the forwards are quite deep, no need for too many rookies, but i would expect an upgrade to the top-6.
On Defense there will be either 1 or 0 changes. I really just can't say I am sure Garry will be back. If he is, great, if not, Ellerby will step in.
I would guess that at least 1 (and quite possibly 2) of Wolski and Samuelson won't be back next year. I think most people would agree that we need improvement in secondary scoring and since we already have 28 different 3rd and 4th line types, an upgrade on the 2nd line may be on Tallon's radar. I know Hubs should improve this situation somewhat, but he will still be a rookie. I would be surprised if Tallon DIDNT add a Top-6 forward (especially considering he is very active GM).
I don't see a spot for either Bjugs or Howden. They will need to wait and that is a GOOD thing.
Good teams don't have 3 rookies on the team. They just don't. As much as we want to see them, having 3 (actually 4 + Guds) players 20 or younger just isn't a great recipie for success. Let them grow into men and come into the league developed and ready to go (isn't this what Detroit does and everyone here gags to be like them don't they?) Hubs is a special case because he is just so damn good.
Overall the forwards are quite deep, no need for too many rookies, but i would expect an upgrade to the top-6.
On Defense there will be either 1 or 0 changes. I really just can't say I am sure Garry will be back. If he is, great, if not, Ellerby will step in.
I don't think Ellerby can fill Garrison's shoes. I really don't. Ellerby has made some strides this season but he is still very hot and cold when it comes to play. Not much consistency in his game, from shift to shift. One shift he looks good making the right plays, next shift he does something ridiculous that causes a great scoring chance for the opposing team. I doubt Tallon would look for him to step in for Garrison if Garrison is indeed not back this off season. I'd have to believe he makes a trade or signing to address that hole.
As a side note (not in reply to your post): I don't see Howden making the team, or at least I don't think he should. A year in the AHL would do him good. I think Huberdeau making the team would be enough for next season in terms of rookies making the big show, unless Howden simply blows the doors off in pre season. As you said in your post though I don't think it's a good idea either to have a bunch of rookies in the line up. Think Huberdeau makes it but he is probably the only one.
Yeah I realized after I posted that I left him out. Too many dang forwards if they are all healthy.
I'd be an awful GM. I get attached to the players, difficult to choose which one to use in a trade. Matthias has said how much he admires Weiss for sticking with the Panthers and he'd like to do the same thing. He's pretty darn fast and can move the puck through the neutral zone like it's nobody's business. Good energy and fairly consistent.
I like the lines, but Weaver wont be a 7th Dman. I actually expect Tallon to be busy again during the draft, and guys like Ellerby, and maybe a forward or two, could be available. I also think that if Tallon doesnt make any new acquisitions, then Samuelsonn will probably be back. And I agree with Beezer on how Bergenheim should be on the 2nd line, and Wolski on the 3rd.
Dont have time to read through the thread. One comment is that as highly touted as a lot of our guys are, I have a hard time seeing all of Howden, Bjugstad, and Huberdeau on the roster. I could see Howden spending some time in the AHL since we have plenty of 3rd and 4th liners, which is what he'd be doing at first. Rather put him top6 in SA to develop the offensive game at the pro level.
Bjugs I could see staying at Minnesota and trying to win the Hobey Baker. He would be absolutely sick playing one more year there.
I see Huberdeau on the team starting out as a 3rd liner and then working his way up depending on how he's playing. I would expect him to have to work to earn PP time and whatever else and then move into that line#2 spot.
If we have 3 rookie forwards on the team, no matter who they are, I wouldn't expect us to be as good as our team is currently. Only Huberdeau will probably have close to an immediate impact, and I'd be counting on a rookie season from him with around 15 goals and 40 points.
I do love the depth, as it gives us a chance to keep these guys developing until they are ripe and ready.
Notes:
Wolski re-signed, 2 year 5.50 million
Kulikov re-signed, 5 year, 20 million.
Garrison re-signed 4 years, 17 million
Versteeg re-signed, 5 years, 23 million.
Matthias re-signed, 3 years, 6.5 million
Ellerby, qualified again.
Didn't Matthias sign a 2 year deal this year? Two way deal this year and a 1 way deal next year.
Dont have time to read through the thread. One comment is that as highly touted as a lot of our guys are, I have a hard time seeing all of Howden, Bjugstad, and Huberdeau on the roster. I could see Howden spending some time in the AHL since we have plenty of 3rd and 4th liners, which is what he'd be doing at first. Rather put him top6 in SA to develop the offensive game at the pro level.
Bjugs I could see staying at Minnesota and trying to win the Hobey Baker. He would be absolutely sick playing one more year there.
I see Huberdeau on the team starting out as a 3rd liner and then working his way up depending on how he's playing. I would expect him to have to work to earn PP time and whatever else and then move into that line#2 spot.
If we have 3 rookie forwards on the team, no matter who they are, I wouldn't expect us to be as good as our team is currently. Only Huberdeau will probably have close to an immediate impact, and I'd be counting on a rookie season from him with around 15 goals and 40 points.
I do love the depth, as it gives us a chance to keep these guys developing until they are ripe and ready.
We are going to have to wait to see what Tallon does before giving our opinion on which rookies make it.
Bjugstad still needs seasoning, no matter what he is doing in college, so I dont expect him at all next season. He is still raw, is still a project, and if we bring him along correctly, he could be a monster center for us in a couple of seasons.
Howden and Hubs have the best shot to make the team, but if it were only to be one, I think its Huberdeau. Howden is 20, so I think he can play in SA next season, and if thats the case, no doubt we will see him get a call up. As long as Huberdeau can come into camp with a few more pounds than his current weight, I think he makes the team, no doubt.
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Originally Posted by PBPantherfan
Didn't Matthias sign a 2 year deal this year? Two way deal this year and a 1 way deal next year.
Dont understand the reply, since he already has Matty penciled in as the 2nd line center
What are the odds of the NHL inserting an amnesty clause? I know there have been talks about it; it would be a best-case scenario for us, imo.
I think it will be pretty likely considering several GMs are lobbying for it. I wouldn't think it would be more than a one-time only thing though like the last CBA had a buyout window that didnt count against the cap. So that would give Tallon the ability to buyout one player this summer which would most likely be Upshall.
I think it will be pretty likely considering several GMs are lobbying for it. I wouldn't think it would be more than a one-time only thing though like the last CBA had a buyout window that didnt count against the cap. So that would give Tallon the ability to buyout one player this summer which would most likely be Upshall.
I don't think Ellerby can fill Garrison's shoes. I really don't. Ellerby has made some strides this season but he is still very hot and cold when it comes to play. Not much consistency in his game, from shift to shift. One shift he looks good making the right plays, next shift he does something ridiculous that causes a great scoring chance for the opposing team. I doubt Tallon would look for him to step in for Garrison if Garrison is indeed not back this off season. I'd have to believe he makes a trade or signing to address that hole.
As a side note (not in reply to your post): I don't see Howden making the team, or at least I don't think he should. A year in the AHL would do him good. I think Huberdeau making the team would be enough for next season in terms of rookies making the big show, unless Howden simply blows the doors off in pre season. As you said in your post though I don't think it's a good idea either to have a bunch of rookies in the line up. Think Huberdeau makes it but he is probably the only one.
I dont think Ellerby can fill Garrisons shoes either. But he wouldn't have to, because Gudbranson and Kulikov can. Ellerby I think would be fine as a 6th D-man.
I think it will be pretty likely considering several GMs are lobbying for it. I wouldn't think it would be more than a one-time only thing though like the last CBA had a buyout window that didnt count against the cap. So that would give Tallon the ability to buyout one player this summer which would most likely be Upshall.
An amnesty clause doesn't really benefit us at all as we don't pay up to the salary cap as it is yet will allow teams who do to buy someone out and then pay up to it. So over all it would have a negative effect on the Panthers.
Yes he's not the same as he once was and overpaid but he's at least a good leader in the locker room from all accounts and a good bottom pairing d-man at this point in his career. Also it would be a PR nightmare to buy him out. We all know he's going to retire a Panther so might as well get used to it.
I wanted Upshall to work out and knew it was a risky signing. He has never been known to stay healthy in his career. And then pile on the fact that he just wasnt scoring either. If there's a team out there willing to take him for a bag of pucks, I'd gladly trade him off before Santorelli (crazy I know regardless of last nights game). But with his contract and injury history, I dont see any team trading for him. It would benefit us more to not have him on the roster now.
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Originally Posted by Panthers are Red
An amnesty clause doesn't really benefit us at all as we don't pay up to the salary cap as it is yet will allow teams who do to buy someone out and then pay up to it. So over all it would have a negative effect on the Panthers.
The amnesty clause isnt just about salary cap spending though. It will benefit us because it frees up a roster spot that we desparately need too. Right now we have 11 forwards already signed next season with 2 additional forwards as RFAs (Versteeg & Wolski). That doesnt give us much roster flexibility to add anyone via free agency or even add Huberdeau to the lineup.
Also yes it will benefit us because we're still a budget conscious team as well (the playoffs wont change that this yr). We need to sign guys to extensions this summer (Versteeg and Kulikov for sure, possibly Garrison and Wolski) and those wont be cheap. After this summer, we'll also need to make a decision on Weiss who will obviously need a salary increase. So if we did buy someone out, I think its with the intention that we're already going to be spending more than we currently are and would be putting that money to better use.
Yes he's not the same as he once was and overpaid but he's at least a good leader in the locker room from all accounts and a good bottom pairing d-man at this point in his career. Also it would be a PR nightmare to buy him out. We all know he's going to retire a Panther so might as well get used to it.
I wanted Upshall to work out and knew it was a risky signing. He has never been known to stay healthy in his career. And then pile on the fact that he just wasnt scoring either. If there's a team out there willing to take him for a bag of pucks, I'd gladly trade him off before Santorelli (crazy I know regardless of last nights game). But with his contract and injury history, I dont see any team trading for him. It would benefit us more to not have him on the roster now.The amnesty clause isnt just about salary cap spending though. It will benefit us because it frees up a roster spot that we desparately need too. Right now we have 11 forwards already signed next season with 2 additional forwards as RFAs (Versteeg & Wolski). That doesnt give us much roster flexibility to add anyone via free agency or even add Huberdeau to the lineup.
Also yes it will benefit us because we're still a budget conscious team as well (the playoffs wont change that this yr). We need to sign guys to extensions this summer (Versteeg and Kulikov for sure, possibly Garrison and Wolski) and those wont be cheap. After this summer, we'll also need to make a decision on Weiss who will obviously need a salary increase. So if we did buy someone out, I think its with the intention that we're already going to be spending more than we currently are and would be putting that money to better use.
I wanted Upshall to work too, but his injury history is just too much for this team. Unfortunately, we dont have the funds to bury him in the minors, nor can we afford the 6 x $1.6 million it would cost us to buy him out, so we can only hope an amnesty clause is in the new CBA. Seeing how Samuelsson, and to a lesser extent, Wolski have worked out, Id much rather see them here next year over Upshall. And like you said, we then have a problem with trying to add additional forwards, like Huberdeau and/or a UFA signing. We can let Samuelsson go, and try and trade a forward or two for some relief, but we are getting ahead of ourselves. Lets see what Tallon will do at the draft and in free agency, because the guy is obviously a magician working as a GM part time.
Count me as another who wanted Scottie to work out for the team. Loved how excited he was on FA day, and then the first game him dropping the gloves to protect a guy kinda set the tone for the season. He just can't stay healthy, though, and he was ineffective when he was healthy.
Would be nice to be able to amnesty him, I agree. However, it's only 1.16 for 6 years, not 1.6, which isn't really too bad. We'll see.
