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12-24-2011, 05:04 PM
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He has more points than Gardiner and Gunnarsson.

I dont care how many times Gardiner does a spin-o-rama, or skates circles around the ice with the puck if it doesnt result in a goal it doesnt really matter.

Luke gets the puck, he moves the puck to an open man. There is a reason why he as a lot of secondary assists,

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12-24-2011, 05:11 PM
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I think Schenn is playing solid recently. So far in his career, if we look at it from a whole, its been impressive. I'm glad we drafted him high (*Filatov*). He's gonna be good for us years to come (and not too pricey)
Let's not even talk about the Dmen drafted before him. How about the ones after him.
Tyler Myers
Erik Karlsson
Jake Gardiner
Michael Del Zotto
John Carlson
Vyacheslav Voynov
Travis Hamonic

Then add in the picks that went the other way. Horrible pick.
Only a Leaf homer would feel otherwise.

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12-24-2011, 05:25 PM
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Let's not even talk about the Dmen drafted before him. How about the ones after him.
Tyler Myers
Erik Karlsson
Jake Gardiner
Michael Del Zotto
John Carlson
Vyacheslav Voynov
Travis Hamonic

Then add in the picks that went the other way. Horrible pick.
Only a Leaf homer would feel otherwise.
What's a good name for someone who is clueless enough to call Schenn horrible compared to those guys?

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12-24-2011, 05:28 PM
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his skating sometimes reminds me of Larry Murphy.

Very rough...

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12-24-2011, 05:32 PM
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What's a good name for someone who is clueless enough to call Schenn horrible compared to those guys?
He's 2 steps behind everyone in the league. He cannot get his outlet passes off before the forecheckers are all over him. He's not been a good pick to this point in time. And unless he's been called for the next addition of "Dancing with the Stars" his footwork will never get better. Just a matter of time before his ice time get cut overall. He's already not put out in ANY desperate situation the Leafs ever get into. Who's clueless? You. Or the coaching staff?

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12-24-2011, 05:34 PM
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do we really have to have luke schenn ?
i wonder

gunnarson phaneuf
liles franson
gardiner aulie

i like blacker too

i dont think they have the guts to trade him
seeing how they'v hyped him up so much

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12-24-2011, 05:43 PM
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Let's not even talk about the Dmen drafted before him. How about the ones after him.
Tyler Myers
Erik Karlsson
Jake Gardiner
Michael Del Zotto
John Carlson
Vyacheslav Voynov
Travis Hamonic

Then add in the picks that went the other way. Horrible pick.
Only a Leaf homer would feel otherwise.
At this point he's better than Myers, Gardiner, Voynov and Hamonic. Debatable with Del Zotto.

You've got NO idea what you're talking about.

Who's right, 99% of this board who can say Schenn has been good/Media gushing over his improved play, or you?

Tough question, I know.

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12-24-2011, 05:44 PM
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Lol at fans wanting to get rid of a guy who has produced more offence than two of our top "offensive defenceman" and who leads all NHL defenceman in hits.

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12-24-2011, 05:49 PM
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do we really have to have luke schenn ?
i wonder

gunnarson phaneuf
liles franson
gardiner aulie

i like blacker too

i dont think they have the guts to trade him
seeing how they'v hyped him up so much
Who's got interest in him? The guys that teams are asking about are Fransen and Aulie. Schenn's name never comes up. Playoff bound teams are looking for players who can help them NOW. Schenn's a project. He's not helping anyone now. Toronto's pretty much a bubble team right now. Which means contenders will be looking at teams like the Leafs for players that can help them now come deadline time if the Leafs fall further back. And I guarantee you Schenn's name is not mentioned amongst those contenders.

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12-24-2011, 05:51 PM
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Lol at fans wanting to get rid of a guy who has produced more offence than two of our top "offensive defenceman" and who leads all NHL defenceman in hits.
THAT. And 5 dollars will get you what?

A] 5 dollars

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12-24-2011, 05:52 PM
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Who's got interest in him? The guys that teams are asking about are Fransen and Aulie. Schenn's name never comes up. Playoff bound teams are looking for players who can help them NOW. Schenn's a project. He's not helping anyone now. Toronto's pretty much a bubble team right now. Which means contenders will be looking at teams like the Leafs for players that can help them now come deadline time if the Leafs fall further back. And I guarantee you Schenn's name is not mentioned amongst those contenders.
wouldnt carolina consider ?
if they were to tank it

the bubble leafs offer a package for 'you know'

but if they want franson or aulie instead that's cool

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12-24-2011, 06:14 PM
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Who's got interest in him? The guys that teams are asking about are Fransen and Aulie. Schenn's name never comes up. Playoff bound teams are looking for players who can help them NOW. Schenn's a project. He's not helping anyone now. Toronto's pretty much a bubble team right now. Which means contenders will be looking at teams like the Leafs for players that can help them now come deadline time if the Leafs fall further back. And I guarantee you Schenn's name is not mentioned amongst those contenders.
you're fried. lmao

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12-24-2011, 06:20 PM
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The oppositions scoring lines lick their chops when they see he's on the ice. He's a human turnover machine.
You know I said less, right? Also, I wonder why you feel the need to have a whipping boy on defence, even if it is unwarranted (Despite your claims otherwise in this thread). Schenn is a great partner for Gardiner, and, if they both develop as they should, we have a dynamite number 2 defensive pairing in the future.

He's second in hits for defensemen, he has the fifth least turnovers on the Leafs blue line (Franson, Komi and Aulie have had less with less games played), and, he's second on the team in takeaways (Gunnarsson has two more). Oh, and by the way, 7 points in his last 12 games, and is +5 on a team that has scored 3 less goals than they have given up (You could us the PK argument; but, it's really the forwards that have been the problem for us).

Stop irrationally hating on Schenn.

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12-24-2011, 07:00 PM
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Who's got interest in him? The guys that teams are asking about are Fransen and Aulie. Schenn's name never comes up. Playoff bound teams are looking for players who can help them NOW. Schenn's a project. He's not helping anyone now. Toronto's pretty much a bubble team right now. Which means contenders will be looking at teams like the Leafs for players that can help them now come deadline time if the Leafs fall further back. And I guarantee you Schenn's name is not mentioned amongst those contenders.
Wow!

There would be a lineup a mile long if Burke decided to put Schenn on the market.

Burke said on more than one occasion last year, when he was asked about his efforts to acquire some offensive help up front, that the first guy other GMs ask for in return is Luke Schenn. Maybe you should call him and tell him that that never happens, that he must have imagined that.

Why would anybody want a 22 y/o, shutdown Dman that has led all blueliners in hits for the last two years, who is physically strong enough to handle the likes of Ovechkin, Nash, Getzlaf, Lucic, etc.?

He's had a couple of rough patches in his brief career. So what! He's just a kid. Myers has had his struggles too. He had a poor first half last year, and so far this year he has just 6 points in 19 games. It happens to every young defenceman (even happens to veterans). Del Zotto had a horrible year in '10-11, managing just 11 points in 47 games before being benched and then demoted. Even Drew Doughty has struggled, with only 13 points this year. Those guys are all powerplay specialists. Meanwhile, Luke has 11 points so far, and he gets zero powerplay time.

But points don't really tell the story when it comes to Schenn. Like any young Dman, he has his moments, but when he's on he plays a composed, physically punishing, suffocating defensive game. Maybe fans who just look at offensive stats don't see the value in that, but coaches and GMs sure do.

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12-24-2011, 07:03 PM
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hits are good

but why do we cringe when he gets the puck in the corner
because...... he sucks at moving the puck up ice
his skating is kinda.....iffy

but hits are good
blocking shots and clearing bodies are good too
it's always good to have a few of those

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12-24-2011, 07:25 PM
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kind of scary Kulemin and Schenn are on pace for about the same point total this season.

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12-24-2011, 07:27 PM
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hits are good

but why do we cringe when he gets the puck in the cornerbecause...... he sucks at moving the puck up ice
his skating is kinda.....iffy

but hits are good
blocking shots and clearing bodies are good too
it's always good to have a few of those
I don't cringe when Luke has the puck in the corner. He may not be a smooth skater and make flashy plays, but he gets the job done and he's hardly a giveaway machine. Actually, he's our most capable dman when it comes to breaking up plays and taking the puck from opponents.

Look at the giveaway/takeaway numbers for Toronto Dmen:

Gunnarsson: 32/21
Liles: 32/7
Phaneuf: 31/11
Gardiner: 31/12
Schenn: 22/19

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12-24-2011, 08:13 PM
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I don't cringe when Luke has the puck in the corner. He may not be a smooth skater and make flashy plays, but he gets the job done and he's hardly a giveaway machine. Actually, he's our most capable dman when it comes to breaking up plays and taking the puck from opponents.

Look at the giveaway/takeaway numbers for Toronto Dmen:

Gunnarsson: 32/21
Liles: 32/7
Phaneuf: 31/11
Gardiner: 31/12
Schenn: 22/19
I disagree. He's constantly making a very poor decision with the puck weather it be passing to a teammate where another would have been a better option, putting a teammate in a difficult position after receiving one of his ill timed passes or just basically having very poor vision of the ice and making the wrong move at the time. And the main reason I see is because he got lead in his boots. He's the opposite of graceful out there and he's hurting the team IMO. He's slow on his skates and slow to react. And the opposition is fully aware of this as well as his own coaching staff. And that's the reason he's never out there in key situations. Why else is he never out there in an important time in the game?

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12-24-2011, 08:20 PM
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hits are good

but why do we cringe when he gets the puck in the corner
because...... he sucks at moving the puck up ice
his skating is kinda.....iffy

but hits are good
blocking shots and clearing bodies are good too
it's always good to have a few of those
That sums him up pretty well IMO.
He leads the team and is close to the league lead in hits. I mean, when did a stat like that from your 3rd pairing defenceman ever become an important part in leading your team to a Cup?
So he hits a lot. Big deal. How many times has he took his own self out of a play by finishing his check? Cause you can't tell me that hasn't happened more than just a few times.

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That sums him up pretty well IMO.
He leads the team and is close to the league lead in hits. I mean, when did a stat like that from your 3rd pairing defenceman ever become an important part in leading your team to a Cup?
So he hits a lot. Big deal. How many times has he took his own self out of a play by finishing his check? Cause you can't tell me that hasn't happened more than just a few times.
Maybe if i bold enough words, people will think what I'm saying makes sense.

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Wow!

There would be a lineup a mile long if Burke decided to put Schenn on the market.

Burke said on more than one occasion last year, when he was asked about his efforts to acquire some offensive help up front, that the first guy other GMs ask for in return is Luke Schenn. Maybe you should call him and tell him that that never happens, that he must have imagined that.

Why would anybody want a 22 y/o, shutdown Dman that has led all blueliners in hits for the last two years, who is physically strong enough to handle the likes of Ovechkin, Nash, Getzlaf, Lucic, etc.?

He's had a couple of rough patches in his brief career. So what! He's just a kid. Myers has had his struggles too. He had a poor first half last year, and so far this year he has just 6 points in 19 games. It happens to every young defenceman (even happens to veterans). Del Zotto had a horrible year in '10-11, managing just 11 points in 47 games before being benched and then demoted. Even Drew Doughty has struggled, with only 13 points this year. Those guys are all powerplay specialists. Meanwhile, Luke has 11 points so far, and he gets zero powerplay time.

But points don't really tell the story when it comes to Schenn. Like any young Dman, he has his moments, but when he's on he plays a composed, physically punishing, suffocating defensive game. Maybe fans who just look at offensive stats don't see the value in that, but coaches and GMs sure do.
Teams looking to win right now are NOT interested in Luke Schenn. Plain and simple. He's not going to add anything to a championship caliper team that needs to add a few pieces now. A team looking to build, I'm sure they have asked.

Cause he's slow as molasses. That's why they aren't interested in adding him.

Myers made a run for ROY. Schenn...not so much.

Dude, you need to get your nose out of the boxscores and watch the games sometime. Your missing a lot out there.

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12-24-2011, 08:28 PM
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Maybe if i bold enough words, people will think what I'm saying makes sense.
No. Maybe some of my points may get thru your blinders and penatrate your thick scull.

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you're fried. lmao
he's telling the truth. Schenn is a project at this point. Just a month ago this guy was getting dangled by almost everyone and getting benched.

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No. Maybe some of my points may get thru your blinders and penatrate your thick scull.
I'm done feeding you; but then again, the one time you quoted me, you didn't add anything useful to the discussion. Bleeney made great points, and your response to him was "lol schenn sucks. he's slow.".

30 or so posts in and you got an ignore from me. New freaking record.

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No. Maybe some of my points may get thru your blinders and penatrate your thick scull.
I don't know that we're far enough in our relationship together for you to be penetrating anything of mine.

You're off your rocker if you don't think playoff teams would love to have Schenn patrolling their blueline. His hits wear out an opposing teams forwards without putting himself in unnecessary risk. He's an absolute monster along the wall and opposing forwards think twice before trying to squeak past him. He's managed to successfully shut down many of the league's premier forwards due to his size and strength. All while putting up more points than great skaters like Gardiner. He makes up for his lack of footspeed with solid first passes and positional play, so that point is moot. If anything, it's impressive that he can only improve on top of his already impressive skillset with a summer focused on power-skating exercise. You can't teach size or a mean-streak, but you know what you can teach? Skating and shot strength. Schenn can only improve from this point. Oh, AND HE'S ONLY 22. Where were Pronger and Keith at 22?

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