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09-29-2004, 11:43 AM
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where are we thinking the pens will end up??

top 3 easily -- if not #1 but i think wash will be #1 and the pens #2

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I think they should be third, based on the criteria being a cutoff of 65 games in the NHL. But really, these rankings are meaningless so I could care less if the Pens were ranked 30th.

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we'll probably be up pretty high, but because no one ever fully agrees with the rankings, dont be offended if it isnt where you expect.

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3rd behind Chicago and Washington. No lower.

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Washington has to have first wrapped up, chicago and Pit can battle for second.

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Edmonton and Montreal would be the wildcards, they both have strong organizations.

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Washington is easily first. They where pretty good to begin with and then had a monster draft year. AO is AO but I'm even high on guys like Green and Yunkov. Like the other posters have said 2nd and 3rd are between Pitt. and Chi. IMO Pitt gets it because MAF gives them a slight edge.


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Pittsburgh is ranked 2nd. It seems to be at least 3 years straight that the Pens are around the top 5 or so, doesn't it?

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Pittsburgh is ranked 2nd. It seems to be at least 3 years straight that the Pens are around the top 5 or so, doesn't it?
i believe you are correct -- we were 2nd last year and the year before i dont remember exactly but i think it was top 5

i think the hf put the pens in the right spot; wash is easily #1 and the pens and chicago are pretty close but MAF gives us the edge for #2

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Pittsburgh is ranked 2nd. It seems to be at least 3 years straight that the Pens are around the top 5 or so, doesn't it?
Well I guess that goes to show that having great prospects is not as important as properly developing what you've got. So I am not exactly sure being high in the rankings is a good thing, but I guess three years isn't that long of a time.

Also, it pains me to see the Capitals at number one after deciding to rebuild, for oh, maybe ... a year.

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Well I guess that goes to show that having great prospects is not as important as properly developing what you've got. So I am not exactly sure being high in the rankings is a good thing, but I guess three years isn't that long of a time.

Also, it pains me to see the Capitals at number one after deciding to rebuild, for oh, maybe ... a year.
Tell me about it. With all of the talent that the Pens gave away over the last couple of years, it just chaps my ass that the Caps get so good so soon. Does anyone remember what the Flyers gave up for Oates? I remember almost puking when hearing of that deal.

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Their analysis of Whitney is seemingly over a year old.......

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You mean the part saying that he "has not progressed quite as well as the Penguins scouts had hoped?"

Yeah, I found that a little off too. I'm pretty happy about his development thus far, but I guess I'm not a scout.

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while i think his last year of college was a little dissapointing, i think his play in WBS playoff's would have countered that as not only is the AHL more difficult and faster, but he came in at the most intense time under high pressure situations.

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Hockey forecaster just wrote up a scouting report for Whitney and it gushes with positives. Calls him a future #1 defenseman.

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Hockey forecaster just wrote up a scouting report for Whitney and it gushes with positives. Calls him a future #1 defenseman.
Caps will be glad to take Whitney off your hands... :]

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Caps will be glad to take Whitney off your hands... :]

As would every other team in the league.

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As would every other team in the league.
Yes. I wanted him at draft time. He is going to be a MONSTER. It may not be this year or next year, but the Pens Caps rivalry will be back. I like Orpik alot too. Where do you guys project him in your overall scheme? Is he a 2 or 3? I would say Tarnstrom might project as a 4 for you. Where does Orpik fit and what does your 2-6 look like? Our looks something like this...

Morrisonn
Eminger
Yonkman
Green
Lepisto
Hedman
Morrisonn and Yonkman are underrated. Green and Eminger are overrated. The Caps need to add some toughness on the blueline. Shultz figures when he gets stronger and more aggressive.

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Whitney
Orpik
Tarnstrom
???

The top3 or 4 are hard to fill. The bottom 3 are easy. Your defense is close to set if not there already. Im just familiar with those 3 as they are all talented. I would like to see us sign Witt and get better with him as a veteran. I have a feeling both he and Kolzig will be dealt at the trade deadline. Kolzig would have to agree to a reduction to about $4M. It would be nice to keep him too, but in an environment where we have Ovechkin, Semin, Fehr and possibly Crosby or Brule to sign, these guys will likely move on.

So who else do you see in the Pens future D?

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So who else do you see in the Pens future D?
Tanrstrom isnt going to be around long term i dont think, we cant afford a guy who is top 10 in D scoring.

At a guess

Whitney - Orpik
Welch - Melichar
Jackman - Bissionette

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Morrisonn and Yonkman are underrated.
Yonkman is injured too much to really be rated at all. He could be the toughness your blue line needs, if he can stay healthy.

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Tanrstrom isnt going to be around long term i dont think, we cant afford a guy who is top 10 in D scoring.

At a guess

Whitney - Orpik
Welch - Melichar
Jackman - Bissionette
If Jackman shows he isn't a flash in the pan, he'll be much better than 3rd pairing. I feel he will.

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Don't forget Nemec, Fernholm and Malenkhyk.

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Yes. I wanted him at draft time. He is going to be a MONSTER. It may not be this year or next year, but the Pens Caps rivalry will be back. I like Orpik alot too. Where do you guys project him in your overall scheme? Is he a 2 or 3? I would say Tarnstrom might project as a 4 for you. Where does Orpik fit and what does your 2-6 look like? Our looks something like this...

Morrisonn
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Yonkman
Green
Lepisto
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Morrisonn and Yonkman are underrated. Green and Eminger are overrated. The Caps need to add some toughness on the blueline. Shultz figures when he gets stronger and more aggressive.

Yours looks like
Whitney
Orpik
Tarnstrom
???

The top3 or 4 are hard to fill. The bottom 3 are easy. Your defense is close to set if not there already. Im just familiar with those 3 as they are all talented. I would like to see us sign Witt and get better with him as a veteran. I have a feeling both he and Kolzig will be dealt at the trade deadline. Kolzig would have to agree to a reduction to about $4M. It would be nice to keep him too, but in an environment where we have Ovechkin, Semin, Fehr and possibly Crosby or Brule to sign, these guys will likely move on.

So who else do you see in the Pens future D?
Why did he post that?

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Yonkman is injured too much to really be rated at all. He could be the toughness your blue line needs, if he can stay healthy.
He has been a plus player when healthy. Perfect complement to Eminger or Morrison.

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Why did he post that?
Just thinkin out loud. My question was really where you saw your 2-6 defense in the future. Ted seems to have a $30M payroll ceiling. No room to add a top flight dman at todays prices for us. We feel yer pain on Tarnstrom! New deal should bring some relief for you (and hopefully us too!)

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