I could care less which country a player comes from. Rather, look at the league and developmental system that these kids are going through. Since it is relatively new that Russians are coming over to the CHL I don't think we have a large enough sample size. Malkin, OV and Kovie were just simply THAT good that it didn't matter what league they came from. *I know someone will comment on Sam Gagner but really he got most of his points from playing with Kane. TBH im more worried to see what Galchenyuk can do without Yakupov*
Top Forwards from CHL in their draft year Sidney Crosby: 62GP 66G 102A 168P 2.71P/G Patrick Kane: 58GP 62G 83A 145P 2.5P/G Sam Gagner: 53GP 35G 83A 118P 2.22P/G
------------------------------------------------------------------ Nail Yakupov: 26GP 21G 32A 53P 2.04 P/G Derick Brassard: 58GP 44G 72A 116P 2.00 P/G Taylor Hall: 57GP 40G 66A 106P 1.86 P/G John Tavares: 56GP 58G 46A 104P 1.86 P/G Steven Stamkos: 61GP 58G 47A 105P 1.72P/G Tyler Seguin: 63GP 48G 58A 106P 1.68P/G Ryan Nugent-Hopkins: 69GP 31G 75A 106P 1.53P/G Eric Staal: 66GP 39G 59A 98P 1.48P/G Bobby Ryan: 62GP 37G 52A 89P 1.44P/G Matt Duchene: 57GP 31G 48A 79P 1.39 P/G Scottie Upshall: 61GP 32G 51A 83P 1.36P/G Rick Nash: 54GP 32G 40A 72P 1.33P/G Nathan Horton: 54GP 33G 35A 68P 1.26P/G Gabriel Landeskog: 53GP 36G 30A 66P 1.25P/G Mikkel Boedker: 62GP 29G 44A 73P 1.18P/G Alexandre Picard: 69GP 39G 41A 80P 1.16P/G Andrew Ladd: 71GP 30G 45A 75P 1.06P/G Jordan Staal: 68GP 28G 40A 68P 1.00 P/G
We should probably stay away from Russians
Haters gonna hate.
Last edited by DousedInOil: 12-25-2011 at 10:24 PM.
It seems like both Yakupov and Grigorenko are doing everything they can to show they want to play in the NHL. Russians simply don't play in the CHL if they have no intention of playing pro in North America.
Regarding Galchenyuk, I don't think the Russian factor is even part of the equation. He has lived in North America most of his life and has committed to play internationally for the US. I highly doubt the KHL is even a possibility for him.
too early to tell, but id stay away from the Russians due to this organizations rich team Canada blood. It's way too early to tell if we should keep the first rounder, trade it away for a package or trade down for more D prospects.
Actually Galchenyuk has not lived in NA most of his life. He was born in Milwaukee, moved to Germany when he was 2 for one year, then after 2 more years back in the US he moved with his family back to Europe in 1998, living in Italy and finally in Russia from 2002 to 2009. So in fact he has actually lived in Russia longer than anywhere else.
BUt what really matters is that the move back to Chicago in 2009 was all about being eligible for the CHL draft. The kid has Larionov as his agent, which is a very good thing. The clear goal is to play in the NHL.
Adam Larsson is a rare case, look at dmen from the last 2 years of the draft, only him and arguably Doughty and Hedman made an immediate impact.
I fail to see your argument. You're proving that 3 of the last 4 d-men, that were the first defensemen selected in their draft, jumped right into the NHL and had an immediate impact on their team.
I'm not worried about Grigorenko or Yakupov, usually when a kid comes over to play in the "mini NHL", they want to have a career in the NHL one day.
This. I wouldnt worry about the Russians that play in the CHL.
The only reason I would stay away from guy like Yakupov is not that he's Russia, its that we really need a good Dman. I know BPA but still do we really need a RW?
This. I wouldnt worry about the Russians that play in the CHL.
The only reason I would stay away from guy like Yakupov is not that he's Russia, its that we really need a good Dman. I know BPA but still do we really need a RW?
Radulov also came over to the CHL so it's not a foolproof plan.
This. I wouldnt worry about the Russians that play in the CHL.
The only reason I would stay away from guy like Yakupov is not that he's Russia, its that we really need a good Dman. I know BPA but still do we really need a RW?
The Oilers need more TALENT... period. If the BPA is Yakupov (or Grigorenko) when they pick then that's who they should go with. Another RW that may be a future 40-50 goal scorer? Yes please. A centre who may be another 1st line franchise type player. Yes again.
The Oilers the last 2 years have been 30th, 30th and let's say 25th this year (give or take a few spots up or down)... 3 years of suck and that's not counting the years of suck before this "bottoming out" stage. They certainly can use a Grigorenko or a Yakupov or a Murray or a Dumba. I just personally think Yakupov and Grigorenko are the top 2 prospects with the highest ceilings in this draft and if they pick top 2 that's the two they should be targeting. Outside the top 2 then sure... any number of solid dmen prospects should be targeted but BPA is always the way to go until this team actually has enough elite depth at all positions that they can start picking positionally... imo they aren't near that stage yet.
Galenychuk was born in Canada I believe and has spent most of his youth here, so throw that argument out.
If the Oilers are dumb enough to pass on a player because of this, then watch like say Yakupov or Grigorenko become 50 goal/100 point players.
That would be pretty much our luck at this point.
Malkin is the best player in the world right now in Sid's absence. Ovy will snap out of his funk sooner or later too.
Right, but if the Oilers drafted those guys, would they be putting up 50/100 seasons in Edmonton, and for how many years? It becomes irrelevant how many points they put up, if they decide they want to put those numbers up in a different city.
Right, but if the Oilers drafted those guys, would they be putting up 50/100 seasons in Edmonton, and for how many years? It becomes irrelevant how many points they put up, if they decide they want to put those numbers up in a different city.
Yes... because only Russian players will want out of Edmonton. No players from any other countries have had or ever will have a problem with playing in Edmonton.
If the draft position played out as the OP has it (which I believe was nabbed from mynhldraft.com), we'd have to go with Cody Ceci. I really don't see us going with a forward, and definitely not Russian. If we somehow landed one of the top 2 picks, I'd be wheeling it to either move back in the draft, or for some immediate help (a Pietrangelo type).
