If THAT is the worst you can say about this kid, the Wings struck gold once again.
Actually his shot is slow with the big release. He looks like what he was a third rounder. But obviously, I am behind the times because I thought that if you were beating a team like that you just dumped it in at the end of the game not try to score.
The last part came after reading in the WJC thread about that so many people who felt that it was acceptable. Not directed as an insult to you JAg68Sid87
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Reason: Post apology for possible unintentional insult.
Was it just me or did Pulkinen's behavior in the third period last night against Denamrk rub anybody else the wrong way? I know that he is not a Penguins' prospect, but so many were critiquing Shero for not drafting him. I wanted to pay attention to him. Shooting the puck on net in the last seconds of a game you are winning 10-1 and then when the buzzer goes off asking the ref to call upstairs to see if it counts after already having 4 goals.
I guess that's sort of skewed perception on Michalek a bit. It was a problem earlier this year, but generally it's been an effective tool for him. When you're judicious with it (not necessarily using it less, but knowing when to use it), it can help a lot particularly on 2-on-1s or taking away options on a PK.
In fact, it's a huge reason why our PK jumped upon his arrival, IMHO.
Sure, but I don't think either of them is as effective as Michalek defensively either.
I guess what I'm saying is that it takes all kinds. Harrington's tendency to drop in certain situations isn't necessarily a bad thing, or a result of scrambling or erratic play (given the connotations associated with those terms). He's oozed composure both with and without the puck.
we'll have to kind of agree to disagree then. Im not saying he's a bad prospect or michaleks a bad player either. Harrington looks to be a helluva 2nd rounder. My original post was meant to merely temper some of the hype that was building after his 4 point game.
IMO he's an incredibly similar prospect to samuelsson and that's the same type of expectations we should have. Samuelsson just isn't getting the high profile exposure in wbs right now that Harrington is at the wjcs.
we'll have to kind of agree to disagree then. Im not saying he's a bad prospect or michaleks a bad player either. Harrington looks to be a helluva 2nd rounder. My original post was meant to merely temper some of the hype that was building after his 4 point game.
If anybody expects him to be some kind of offensive dynamo, they're definitely mistaken.
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IMO he's an incredibly similar prospect to samuelsson and that's the same type of expectations we should have. Samuelsson just isn't getting the high profile exposure in wbs right now that Harrington is at the wjcs.
Well, he's certainly had a more auspicious start than Samuelsson. He made the Canadian WJC team at 18 and is thriving, while Samuelsson couldn't crack a thinner Team USA defense pool at 19.
Not to mention Samuelsson's skating issues, which aren't a concern for Harrington.
Harrington's the 3rd best defense prospect we have. That's putting expectations right around where they should be.
Our third WJC prospect, Dominik Uher, is an alternate captain for the Czechs. Had an assist in their surprise 5-2 win over the U.S. yesterday.
his overall play was solid but unspectacular. I was most impressed with his pking. He did a fantastic job forcing the US into bad passes.
Offensively he's got a good shot and good hands and he keeps it simple. Nothing flashy but he does look like he could be a decent "Cooke" like player who could give ya 30 points a year plus special teams play.
If anybody expects him to be some kind of offensive dynamo, they're definitely mistaken.
Well, he's certainly had a more auspicious start than Samuelsson. He made the Canadian WJC team at 18 and is thriving, while Samuelsson couldn't crack a thinner Team USA defense pool at 19.
Not to mention Samuelsson's skating issues, which aren't a concern for Harrington.
Harrington's the 3rd best defense prospect we have. That's putting expectations right around where they should be.
If your considering despres not a prospect anymore then maybe he's our 3rd best. Morrow, despres, and bortuzzo all are certainly ahead of him. Im not huge on strait so id put Harrington ahead of him though. Samuelsson, strait, and harrington are all very close in where id rank them.
Regarding samuelsson, he's already improved his skating a great deal and given our track record of improving the skating of players like tangradi, engelland, and staal I have full confidence saying that won't hold him back. And I just don't see Harringtons ceiling as being that much higher. They are both very good prospects though.
we'll have to kind of agree to disagree then. Im not saying he's a bad prospect or michaleks a bad player either. Harrington looks to be a helluva 2nd rounder. My original post was meant to merely temper some of the hype that was building after his 4 point game.
IMO he's an incredibly similar prospect to samuelsson and that's the same type of expectations we should have. Samuelsson just isn't getting the high profile exposure in wbs right now that Harrington is at the wjcs.
Well.. Samuelsson didn't even make the US WJC team.. And Harrington is probably going to represent Canada twice. So forgive those of us that have higher expectations for Harrington than we have for Samuelsson.
But in Samuelsson's case, he'll be a better pro than a college player/junior, and probably a better NHLer than AHLer. He's a true role player, and once that becomes defined I think he'll be just fine as a No. 6-7 guy with PK ability.
Harrington won't be nearly as pidgeon-holed, but he should turn out to be another solid Mark Eaton/Rob Scuderi type for us. And before people groan, I mean the Eaton and Scuderi types that were at the peak of their games when we won the Cup in '09. Not when they are since.
Harrington definitely seems more offensively capable than Scuds.. he can make a good outlet pass and get hard shots on net.. and he'll probably be more mobile.
But in Samuelsson's case, he'll be a better pro than a college player/junior, and probably a better NHLer than AHLer. He's a true role player, and once that becomes defined I think he'll be just fine as a No. 6-7 guy with PK ability.
He's been nasty in this game. In one shift he ran Gormley at the point when he didn't have the puck, slashed another guy in the back of the leg and then landed a clean hit along the wall.
Nice to see. Team USA has had a horrible tournament and pretty much the whole team has underachieved but I've liked what I've seen from Archibald.
Definitely an edge to Archibald. Been very disappointed with Jason Zucker. I have seen him play a lot with Denver (Beau Bennett) and expected much more from him than he has displayed.
Hopefully Harrington will be good to go on Tuesday. The Penguins injury curse to everyone even associated with the club is beyond ridiculous. Hopefully 2012 will be nicer to us than 2011 was.
Well.. Samuelsson didn't even make the US WJC team.. And Harrington is probably going to represent Canada twice. So forgive those of us that have higher expectations for Harrington than we have for Samuelsson.
that's fine if you think that way, but I really don't see either players ceiling much higher than the other. Its completely obvious Harrington was selected to play a shutdown role, and while its great he's probably going to be at 2 wjcs his role probably won't change much. In terms of pure talent harringtons skating is the only thing that separates them, and samuelsson is in no way a slouch.
Being on the wjc team doesn't automatically mean your going to expand your game and develop all these new skillsets. In this case Canada chose to have a true shutdown pairing, which isn't always the case. That's why a guy like Harrington beat out morrow. And its why we should be happy and feel lucky at the same time because harringtons in. Many years they simply stack with skill, but this year they chose a more balanced d corps.
I also looked back for a refresher as to when Philip missed the wjc team. He was one of the final cuts in 2010 along with Saad, Grimaldi, and one of Canada's current studs, Jamie oleksiak.
Whoever said Philip couldn't crack a weak US team is completely wrong.
Hopefully Harrington will be good to go on Tuesday. The Penguins injury curse to everyone even associated with the club is beyond ridiculous. Hopefully 2012 will be nicer to us than 2011 was.
We can only hope. From hockeycanada.ca:
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Canadian defenceman Scott Harrington left the ice in the first half of the game and did not return. Hay said it was an “upper-body” injury, but didn't expect it to keep Harrington out of the semifinal. “I'm sure he'll be ready to play,” Hay said.
If your considering despres not a prospect anymore then maybe he's our 3rd best. Morrow, despres, and bortuzzo all are certainly ahead of him. Im not huge on strait so id put Harrington ahead of him though. Samuelsson, strait, and harrington are all very close in where id rank them.
No way Bortuzzo is ahead of him. The guy's done well to overcome his draft position and set himself up to be an NHL player at some point, but he simply doesn't have the pedigree or skillset to be ranked above Harrington. The following ranking and assessment of our prospects done by Botterill and Fitzgerald underlines that pretty well:
Just because a player is closer to the NHL doesn't mean he's a better prospect...nobody thought Joe Vitale was a better prospect than Beau Bennett coming into this season.
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Whoever said Philip couldn't crack a weak US team is completely wrong.
I said he couldn't crack a thinner US blueline at 19. And that's 100% true.
I've never seen Harrington, but judging by what I've read in scouting reports and what I have read here, Harrington sounds to have some pretty clear advantages over Samuelsson, but the opposite isn't true for anything aside from size.
Much, much more intrigued by Harrington than I ever was for Samuelsson.
How is this even a question? Harrington in terms of prospect value is much higher than a guy who couldn't make the AHL squad at the beginning of the season.
Look at some of the guys who have played defense for Canada in the past. They are not all winners but there is a large degree of prestige that comes with that. He is playing with & against some of the best players his age in the entire world.
