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11-01-2004, 09:51 PM
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Trade Proposals: Los Angeles

The labor dispute and the departure of Allison/Deadmarsh/Palffy have pretty much doomed any chance the Kings have of competing in the immediate future. I'd like to see them focus on their youth and aim to compete 2-3 years down the road. Here's a couple ideas I had, looking for some feedback.

To OTT: Norstrom, Pushkaryev
To LA: Havlat, 3rd '05

To BUF: Miller, Belanger
To LA: Drury

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11-01-2004, 10:14 PM
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Those seem pretty fair. But that would leave L.A with:
B+ Offence
C-/F Defence
C Goaltending

I think they are better off with those players

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The labor dispute and the departure of Allison/Deadmarsh/Palffy have pretty much doomed any chance the Kings have of competing in the immediate future. I'd like to see them focus on their youth and aim to compete 2-3 years down the road. Here's a couple ideas I had, looking for some feedback.

To OTT: Norstrom, Pushkaryev
To LA: Havlat, 3rd '05

To BUF: Miller, Belanger
To LA: Drury

- Fin
I like the deals, but instead of dealing Push, I'd rather part with Cammy, who supposedly isn't highly thought of in the Kings organ-eye-zation.

So what about Cammy, Norstrom for Havlat and 3rd. The 2nd deal I'd do in a heartbeat.

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11-01-2004, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by gretzky99
Those seem pretty fair. But that would leave L.A with:
B+ Offence
C-/F Defence
C Goaltending

I think they are better off with those players
I dont think our d would be that bad considering Grebeshkov is waiting in the wings along with Gleason.

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11-01-2004, 10:31 PM
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ottawa takes a step back in that deal, dealing their best asset to strengthen their strength and ignoring their weakness while depleting another strength

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ottawa takes a step back in that deal, dealing their best asset to strengthen their strength and ignoring their weakness while depleting another strength
Okay, we'll take out Pushkarev, and add in Cechmanek

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I like the deals, but instead of dealing Push, I'd rather part with Cammy, who supposedly isn't highly thought of in the Kings organ-eye-zation.

So what about Cammy, Norstrom for Havlat and 3rd. The 2nd deal I'd do in a heartbeat.
The Kings are thin enough at center, prospect-wise, as it is, so I think I'd rather hang on to Cammalleri. Pushkaryev has the potential to be a Havlat-type player down the line, but the Kings aslo have Brown, Tukonen, Barney, Kanko, Hogeboom at RW, and they'd be adding Havlat.

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Those seem pretty fair. But that would leave L.A with:
B+ Offence
C-/F Defence
C Goaltending

I think they are better off with those players
I think, assuming both deals went down, that the Kings would be pretty well off 3 years down the road. We'd be looking at something like this:

LWs: Frolov, Tambellini, Brown*, Clarke, Cowan
RWs: Tukonen, Havlat, Barney, Kanko, Kostopolous
C: Drury, Conroy, Cammalleri, Lehoux, Avery
D: Visnovsky, Gleason, Grebeshkov, Petiot, Corvo, Dempsey, Baier
G: Garon, Hauser, Munce
*Brown has been playing LW in Manchester, and we also know Havlat can play LW.

Its an interesting time to be a Kings fan...

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11-01-2004, 10:45 PM
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ottawa takes a step back in that deal, dealing their best asset to strengthen their strength and ignoring their weakness while depleting another strength
Fair enough... how about to PHI instead?

To PHI: Norstrom, Pushkaryev
To LA: Gagne, 2nd '05

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11-01-2004, 10:47 PM
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To OTT: Norstrom, Pushkaryev
To LA: Havlat, 3rd '05

To BUF: Miller, Belanger
To LA: Drury

- Fin

Lay off the crack dude.Havlat would take Frolov and Drury would take a lot more then a 35 year old d-man and a 4th line banger.

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Fair enough... how about to PHI instead?

To PHI: Norstrom, Pushkaryev
To LA: Gagne, 2nd '05

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don't think so imo from phi's standpoint

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Lay off the crack dude.Havlat would take Frolov and Drury would take a lot more then a 35 year old d-man and a 4th line banger.
That's why you have Ottawa fans throwing his name around in deals for Cole......

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The Kings are thin enough at center, prospect-wise, as it is, so I think I'd rather hang on to Cammalleri. Pushkaryev has the potential to be a Havlat-type player down the line, but the Kings aslo have Brown, Tukonen, Barney, Kanko, Hogeboom at RW, and they'd be adding Havlat.


- Fin
I agree we are thin at center but if Lehoux is finally turning it on as it seems there is another c for the system. I personally would rather keep Cammy, I like his game and his nose for the net, but I dont think that the Kings are going to give him much of a chance that he deserves....

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ottawa's needs won't be addressed with that proposal...so i don't think they'll give up havlat...no deal.

2nd trade with buffalo might be doable and fair for both parties...

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Here the kind of deals I want :

to LA: M Havlat, a 2nd
To Ottawa: M Norstrom, T Klatt
=>Why? because Ottawa Need some leaders to help Alfredsson

To LA: K Rachunek
To NY: A Miller, Y Lehoux
=>why? because it's Glen Sather...

To LA: S Gomez, B Gionta
To NJ: C Conroy,M Straka (we pay the half of his salary), J Tambellini and Maybe P Kanko
=>why? because i dream I dont think this one would ever happened

This would work for all teams in the case there is a season this year: it only be a play off run for Ott, NJ and for NY. For LA this could be some very good rebuilding transactions with Gomez, Havlat, Frolov, Brown, Cammalleri and Gionta as our top 6
and Grebeshkov, Vishnovsky, Gleason, Rachunek as our top 4 Dman

I know that loosing J Tambellini and Maybe P Kanko would hurt some people but we still have top prospects like L Tukonen or K Pushkarev waiting for a spot near in the future and I perfer to keep L Tukonen and K Pushkarev instead of J Tambellini or
P Kanko

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The Sens:
- Havlat will be dealt to remove weakness! Grit & LW. Here the Kings are set pretty well. Frolov!
- with Redden & Fischer alone the team has two future captains.
- I wouldn't mind to have Norstrom, but I'm not willing to overpay for LA's captain.

The Sabres:
- Drury is a pretty darn good player in the playoffs and I think that Buffalo needs to keep him, since they'll be back soon. Belanger has had injury problems in the past.

The Rangers:
- I heard that the Rangers aren't really satisfied with Rachunek, maybe you can snap him away from them. On the other hand the team is rebuilding and I doubt that they want a "dino" (b/c of Millers age.)

The Devils:
- they loose key parts of their team for parts they could have aquired, if they choose to. Conroy this summer at the trade deadline.(Straka, too.)
- Kanko might replace Gionta
- with Parise & Suglobov tearing it up in the AHL I think that Devils won't trade any parts of there EGG line.

I like the NJ-LA one the best.

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the devils shouldn't/wouldn't trade gomez alone for that package IMHO

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I have to agree with the Ottawa fans, if you want Havlat your going to have to give up more than Norstrom and Push. Although I think Push is a nice prospect, Norstrom is close to or at UFA age so Ottawa is not going to give away a young established talent for that package.

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11-02-2004, 07:58 AM
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Here the kind of deals I want :

to LA: M Havlat, a 2nd
To Ottawa: M Norstrom, T Klatt
=>Why? because Ottawa Need some leaders to help Alfredsson
Havlat alone would be overpayment. You're gonna have to give up a highly touted left winger or center to get him.

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Norstrom is 32 years old and has 2 years left on his contract, both of which are at less than $3m (His contract was front loaded).

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Ottawa doesn't need Norstrom.

They need a gritty top 6 left winger.

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Havlat deal - No.
Drury deal - No.

That said, I think Buffalo fans would be willing to part with *something* to get Aaron Miller, but not Chris Drury.

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drury is overrated. sure he's a good playoff performer, but in the end, he's still a second liner. we have problems making playoffs, not problems doing well while in it. work on the season then go towards the playoffs.

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Here the kind of deals I want :

to LA: M Havlat, a 2nd
To Ottawa: M Norstrom, T Klatt
=>Why? because Ottawa Need some leaders to help Alfredsson

To LA: K Rachunek
To NY: A Miller, Y Lehoux
=>why? because it's Glen Sather...

To LA: S Gomez, B Gionta
To NJ: C Conroy,M Straka (we pay the half of his salary), J Tambellini and Maybe P Kanko
=>why? because i dream I dont think this one would ever happened

This would work for all teams in the case there is a season this year: it only be a play off run for Ott, NJ and for NY. For LA this could be some very good rebuilding transactions with Gomez, Havlat, Frolov, Brown, Cammalleri and Gionta as our top 6
and Grebeshkov, Vishnovsky, Gleason, Rachunek as our top 4 Dman

I know that loosing J Tambellini and Maybe P Kanko would hurt some people but we still have top prospects like L Tukonen or K Pushkarev waiting for a spot near in the future and I perfer to keep L Tukonen and K Pushkarev instead of J Tambellini or
P Kanko
Conroy and Straka aren't significant upgrades over Gomez and Gionta. Adding Kanko and Tambellini would be nice, but NJ is a contender now, and that deal is more likely to hurt the team right now than help it.

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Havlat deal - No.
Drury deal - No.

That said, I think Buffalo fans would be willing to part with *something* to get Aaron Miller, but not Chris Drury.

Miller for Noronen? Kick roman to the crub perhaps?

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