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12-27-2011, 09:19 PM
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Seriously should just give the opposition a goal after we take a penalty. We really don't need to be forced to watch that abomination of a PK.

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12-27-2011, 09:20 PM
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Phaneuf is contributing offensively and I don't think he has done anything to make me question his leadership. What is a factor however is he is on the #1 PK and we blow at it. I'm not sure who to play instead but it's time for changes.

That and Reimer is back down to earth from his magical run of last season.

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Your ignorance is showing again shaner. We haven't had the worst PK for 4 years running.
It's been bottom 5.


And my guess is there haven't been many teams(if any) who have had such terrible PK and who have also made the playoffs.

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Let me clarify, I do not think Phaneuf is a number one defenseman. I know he is.
ok then explain why you know this. and please don't give me an answer like "i do not know he is a number one, i really know he is".

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If he is indeed our so called #1 d-man, you don't want him off the ice for 5 minutes.
We do if he can change the momentum of the crowed and game. A lazy number 1 on the ice is crap compared to a line of fired up players on the ice with him in the box

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Seriously should just give the opposition a goal after we take a penalty. We really don't need to be forced to watch that abomination of a PK.
or maybe try pulling the goalie in order to play 5 on 5.

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I think you were watching a different game then I was. His one goal does not make his 10 brutal plays disappear.
it's Phaneuf's fault the PK ranks 30th

it's Phaneuf's fault our goaltending sucks ***

finding a scapegoat is easy.

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Certainly, you must know that 30th place would be the requirement for four straight years for his statement to be true.

Ignorance: the state or fact of being ignorant : lack of knowledge, education, or awareness

Seems to me that the definition is quite accurate.
The Leafs aren't getting a medal for finishing 29th in the League in PK..it's irrelevant if we're 30th or 29th in the last 4 years, what is consistent is the fact that the Leafs are terrible killing penalties.

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Whether it be 30th or 28th or 27th.... its a ****ing disgrace
It's been that way longer than you care to know. Obviously it's not ideal but this problem isn't solely Ron Wilson's problem.

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12-27-2011, 09:21 PM
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Caller during the Leafs post-game show doesn't like Kadri's play and believes Burke will make a blockbuster deal for Getzlaf.

What a maroon. Kadri's been one of the team's better players in the last 3 games.

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12-27-2011, 09:21 PM
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Gardiner and Aulie should be sitting for a while. Reimer's been a joke so far this season. It's embarassing that he's leading goalies for ASG.
I feel the same. I can sometimes see why other fan bases bash us. Just because Reimer is a part of the Maple Leafs he gets way more votes. I feel they should change the format of the all star voting in some way.

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12-27-2011, 09:22 PM
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Whether it be 30th or 28th or 27th.... its a ****ing disgrace
Agreed. I can't believe even the biggest Wilon apologist can defend the PK record the last 4 years

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The Leafs aren't getting a medal for finishing 29th in the League in PK..it's irrelevant if we're 30th or 29th in the last 4 years, what is consistent is the fact that the Leafs are terrible killing penalties.
It's not irrelevant if that's one of his main points. Come on man you're better than this argument.

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12-27-2011, 09:23 PM
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it's Phaneuf's fault the PK ranks 30th

it's Phaneuf's fault our goaltending sucks ***

finding a scapegoat is easy.
Well its partly his fault for the crap PK if he wasn't so lazy and learned some positioning maybe blocked a shot if the opportunity arises. Or cleared the front of the net like he fails to to over and over. Which translates into more goals and therefor making the goal tending look worse

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It's been that way longer than you care to know. Obviously it's not ideal but this problem isn't solely Ron Wilson's problem.
It's not, it's the team as a whole that still isn't doing everything in it's power to win hockey games. Until we get 22 guys that are all committed to winning games, we're not going to be a good penalty killing team.

Nobody gets in shooting lanes, everyone is so passive on the PK, and besides Connolly, there isn't one forward that blocks shots.

Our defense on the PK helps the opposite team by standing ever so close to our goalie so the puck goes right off their skate, or their legs.

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The whole game was really sloppy and hard to watch. Toronto looked a step behind and tired but did have moments where it seemed they would break out. Unfortunately they shot them selves in the foot. They should not be giving up that many odd man rushes in a game let alone from power play to power play.

Shooting at shins from the point and turning over the puck time after time is really bad decision making and it wasn't just one player doing it, it was all over the ice all night. the Panthers are a frustrating team to play against but Toronto really does need to make better decisions with the puck.

Overall it was an extremely disappointing effort by the whole team and frustrating as hell to watch. I have noticed that they are not working nearly as hard as they were earlier in the season. Something needs to change either lines or trade or something to shake things up a bit because this could turn ugly fast.

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it's Phaneuf's fault the PK ranks 30th

it's Phaneuf's fault our goaltending sucks ***

finding a scapegoat is easy.
No one is at fault for the PK.

It is a young team and when they have some experience they'll figure it out.

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Agreed. I can't believe even the biggest Wilon apologist can defend the PK record the last 4 years
No one is excusing his PK record.

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It's been that way longer than you care to know. Obviously it's not ideal but this problem isn't solely Ron Wilson's problem.
This is true but none of the penalty killers from 5 years ago are still on the roster.

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12-27-2011, 09:27 PM
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couldn't watch...but i was checking the score...****ing PK

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The Leafs are there own worst enemy. They don't compete or be physical in their zone, and it causes us to get pinned in our zone constantly. Every time Florida cycled it is apparent that were going to come from behind to the front or pass it in the slot area.

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Wilson does not sound impressed by the turnovers by Gardiner and Schenn during his post-game interview. With good reason. Let's see if he makes a change and gets Holzer in on Thursday.

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Terrible PK, once again defensive lapses cost us goals. I mean how many breakaways have we seen on us the past few games?

Now although we scored on the PP the Panthers sure had quite the shorthanded chances and it appears to be really common as it happens every game it seems. We always try to force a pass and it ends up a 3 on 2 or 2 on 1 going the other way, not only killing time but possibly costing us a goal.

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couldn't watch...but i was checking the score...****ing PK
PK cost this team 2 pts. Who cares about it at this point. I doubt it's ever going to improve.

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Caller during the Leafs post-game show doesn't like Kadri's play and believes Burke will make a blockbuster deal for Getzlaf.

What a maroon. Kadri's been one of the team's better players in the last 3 games.
Agreed. I think Kadri has finally stepped his game up enough to atleast stay in an NHL line up for awhile, and hopefully soon will be able to take a top six role. maybe take it away from the pitiful Kulemin.

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